Is anyone watching this stuff. Wasp files.

[womble]

There’s been a lot of wacky conspiracy stuff floated out there since day dot. And some of it , much of it, is to my view pretty far out there. And I do find it distasteful and disrespectful. I mean, I don’t think we can pin this one on the Jews with space lazers.

That said, I am willing to admit I have questions. And I would like to see them put to bed. The episode I’m linking here targets one of those questions. There are answers to my questions, but I’m not allowed to have those answers. And yes that’s a bit sus.

I think the public, which includes me obviously, has the right to know. I think we deserve that.

Anyway, this bloke is actually making some waves out there. Getting noticed. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xT8LJSOqvgA

Yes I know it’s a topic that’s been done to death. But we have fresh faces, fresh sets of eyes on it. A whole lot of hindsight and a large passage of time. And I think that’s delivering some new insights.

[straightshooter]

I have watched parts of some of his videos and the bits I have watched seem like fair comment but not necessarily lead to a convincing full explanation of events.
This is all a result of Bryant being induced, against his own best interests, to plead guilty. Thereby obviating the need to publicly air potentially contradictory evidence in court and thus handing an inestimable "gift" to the proponents of banning guns. Something that John Howard himself had reputedly prophesied.
That underhanded tactic is what has led to the endless theorising about what really happened and why.
Most members of this forum will understand the burdens now imposed on ourselves as a consequence.

[alexjones]

Yes I follow it.

There is so many unanswered questions in relation to Port Arthur. They sealed the records for 25 years, then 2 years before this release date they added on another 75 years. If you want to kill the conspiracy then release the evidence files. Not answering questions is the root cause of so called conspiracies.

Whos finger prints were on the colt magazine, can of solo, video camera and sports bag left at the broad arrow café? Release the evidence files and show it was Martin.


Martins mother was strong armed by martins lawyer to plead guilty. She told him if he did not plead guilty he would never see her again. So Martin pled guilty. She says this in her book.

And because he pled guilty under Tasmanian law evidence did not need to be presented or cross examined. The prosecution just got to state their opinion and the defence could no say anything.

[alexjones]

At the exact time of the shooting the only two police officers on the peninsula were 30 minutes away because someone called in they found a bag of heroin. It turned out to soap powder. Who placed the call, whose prints were on the bag?

Again release the files.

[alexjones]

The biggest event in Australian history and no royal commission was done.

The escape door in the gift shop was faulty so they welded it shut causing the death of 6 people. 6 people were stacked up like firewood because they could not open the door.

The Port Arthur management new the door was like this. Yet it was swept under the rug.

[straightshooter]

Martins mother was strong armed by martins lawyer to plead guilty. She told him if he did not plead guilty he would never see her again. So Martin pled guilty. She says this in her book.
.

I understand there was also another factor where Bryant, through an inheritance, was worth quite a lot of money.
Now with him in goal for life somebody would have to administer that asset for him.

[alexjones]

Who fired the 3 shots at 6pm inside Port Arthur when Martin was inside seascape at this time?

Not to mention where did all the money go? Martin was a very rich man and the government took his money and it never went to the victims. So where did it go?

Release the files to answer these questions.

[alexjones]

Martins mother was strong armed by martins lawyer to plead guilty. She told him if he did not plead guilty he would never see her again. So Martin pled guilty. She says this in her book.
.

I understand there was also another factor where Bryant, through an inheritance, was worth quite a lot of money.
Now with him in goal for life somebody would have to administer that asset for him.

Martin money was under control by the public trustee because he was not capable to manage it by himself due to his slow nature.

They changed the law to freeze and take his money. First time in Australian history were this happened. Legally owned money was taken off him.

He was worth a lot of money. Where did the money go? Nobody knows. That's why the files area sealed until 2090.

[alexjones]

Only the police commissioner of Tasmania is able to see the Port Arthur evidence files.

It is in the public interest of the Australian people to release these files.

[MG5150]

I had a listen to Sam Newman interview him. He asked a few questions and tried to poke holes in what he was putting forward and he was able to give confident, plausible answers.

I was only 6 when Port Arthur happened and only got into shooting more recently. A lot of shooters I speak to are really sour on the gun control that came in afterwards but I don't have a bassline experience to compare it to.

[womble]

I was a bit younger than Bryant at the time. It did’nt make sense to me then because I couldn’t get my head around why someone would do that. Which is reasonable because you can’t understand a crazy person’s thinking.

I handed my guns in. Although I was told not to by fellow club shooters and my lgs who I had a good rapport with. I think a lot of people didn’t hand in their guns. Nobody came looking for them. They weren’t seized if you didn’t turn them in because the registration was so poorly managed.

All guns i handed in, 12 in total, were registered and I had the paperwork. Blue slips at the time. Yet the police only had records for two of them when i turned them over. Had I kept them no one would know.

The 640 odd thousand handed in is a lot. But it didn’t account for the majority. And it’s mostly 22’s and air rifles because most every home had one.

Subsequent amnesties 20 or 30 years on would usually net around 60,000 in just a statewide amnesty.

Anywho I digress. As said Bryant’s massacre didn’t make sense to me as a younger man. But now with the passage of time and apon reflection, it dose’nt make sense from different reasoning.

He was in a good place in life at the time. He had money enough to never worry about his future. He had a loving live in girlfriend, who literally described him as caring and empathetic. He had pets. He liked animals. He’s tall and handsome. Can pull chicks.

See that’s all very atypical of a mass shooter. There should be a history of violence. He should be a suicidal loner. He should have some twisted reasoning to avenge a perceived wrongdoing or mistreatment. Or some radical ideology.

But there’s none of that. There’s no record of him planning in advance that I’m aware of. Just one day, gets up early. Dose’nt wake his girlfriend. Then goes and shoots a bunch of people.

It’s very unique and strange.

I believe it was him because of the footage of him in the car park at the broad arrow cafe. I believe that’s him. That’s his car that he’s retrieving items from.

But I’m not convinced there isn’t more to it. I think there’s others who share culpability. Possibly others on the scene even. Possibly some enablers. I think they manipulated and used him. And I think they armed him.

I don’t believe that particular rifle was sold to him by Terry Hill. It has a serial number and a paper trail. It’s been registered and deregistered and recorded as destroyed. And then it’s in his possession.

[alexjones]

^^^ tall and handsome you could say but he was dumb as a post and struggled to have normal human interactions due to his low
Intelligence.

Also the public trustee was looking after his money. So whilst he was very wealthy he was also broke because they would only give him money in allotments throughout the year so he would not waste it all.

If you read his prison interview he says he was angry he could not go on holiday in May 1996 because they would not give him the money.

[Oldbloke]

Public trustee usually just wastes money. All goes in fees and charges.

I'd bet it's now all gone.

[fussy]

Well, the good news is, it's nearly 30 years, so the embargo will be up and soon all the evidence will be produced for us to see in the cold light of day.

Just kidding, they'll find an excuse not to release it.

Hey, "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear", right? That's what they keep telling us.

[womble]

I believe they’ve opted to seal it for another 75 years. Hence this new wave of suspicion. Whatever’s being kept secret likely to still have serious ramifications.

30 years also gives us a fair measure of how effective or ineffective the gun laws have been.

Overall I think a net win for our society but not without a high price. The most recent mass killing in the Sydney mall likely wouldn’t have happened if the first confrontation with the security guard had nullified it for example.

The most vulnerable members of our society are prohibited from protecting themselves from violent crime. That costs a lot of lives. Violent home invasions by armed gangs are commonplace. Simply because they can.
Countless women murdered in an ever escalating statistic by violent ex partners. Because they can.

It saddens me that this is Martins legacy. We should not have conceded him this out of fear. No doubt he finds it endlessly amusing.

Some things we got right. Namely safe storage. We don’t have children accidentally shooting themselves or each other on the scale seen in the states.

Overall the homicide rate has steadily declined so a net win but far from great.

24 mass shootings in Australia since 96. It’s a slight decline. But mass murders overall have not declined.

Thankfully no school shootings. And that would be unbearable.

Suicide rate has not decreased.

All very conflicting. Good and bad. Certainly not the magic solution we make it out to be. The simple truth remains unchallenged. Guns don’t kill people. People kill people. One could assert that our 30 year case study has proved it.

We have’nt prevented any of our home grown homicidal maniacs from achieving their goals, only by other means. Fires, vehicles, knives, mushrooms. Denying them access to a firearm didn’t stop them. Denying their victims the right to protect themselves ensured their high casualty rates in many cases. Probably not mushrooms though. That’s a tricky one to apply self defence. If a woman had a mushroom and was prepared to use it . And it’s a delicious meal. I think you’re screwed.

[alexjones]

Well, the good news is, it's nearly 30 years, so the embargo will be up and soon all the evidence will be produced for us to see in the cold light of day.

Just kidding, they'll find an excuse not to release it.

Hey, "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear", right? That's what they keep telling us.

You are out of the loop mate.. The files were meant to be released next year in 2026 but 3 years ago they added on another 70 years. making it 100 years total. So in 2096 they will be released when everybody is long dead and the event is forgotten.

It was announced when they converted all the evidence into digital format. Only the Tasmanian police commissioner has authority to see the files before the release date.

[alexjones]

I believe they’ve opted to seal it for another 75 years. Hence this new wave of suspicion. Whatever’s being kept secret likely to still have serious ramifications.

30 years also gives us a fair measure of how effective or ineffective the gun laws have been.

Overall I think a net win for our society but not without a high price. The most recent mass killing in the Sydney mall likely wouldn’t have happened if the first confrontation with the security guard had nullified it for example.

The most vulnerable members of our society are prohibited from protecting themselves from violent crime. That costs a lot of lives. Violent home invasions by armed gangs are commonplace. Simply because they can.
Countless women murdered in an ever escalating statistic by violent ex partners. Because they can.

It saddens me that this is Martins legacy. We should not have conceded him this out of fear. No doubt he finds it endlessly amusing.

Some things we got right. Namely safe storage. We don’t have children accidentally shooting themselves or each other on the scale seen in the states.

Overall the homicide rate has steadily declined so a net win but far from great.

24 mass shootings in Australia since 96. It’s a slight decline. But mass murders overall have not declined.

Thankfully no school shootings. And that would be unbearable.

Suicide rate has not decreased.

All very conflicting. Good and bad. Certainly not the magic solution we make it out to be. The simple truth remains unchallenged. Guns don’t kill people. People kill people. One could assert that our 30 year case study has proved it.

We have’nt prevented any of our home grown homicidal maniacs from achieving their goals, only by other means. Fires, vehicles, knives, mushrooms. Denying them access to a firearm didn’t stop them. Denying their victims the right to protect themselves ensured their high casualty rates in many cases. Probably not mushrooms though. That’s a tricky one to apply self defence. If a woman had a mushroom and was prepared to use it . And it’s a delicious meal. I think you’re screwed.

There was a shooting at a school in Perth 2 years ago. A boy went to the school and fired 3 shots. Still counts as a school shooting.

[alexjones]

Public trustee usually just wastes money. All goes in fees and charges.

I'd bet it's now all gone.

I am not to sure but he was under their guardianship since 1993. The government changed the law to be able to take his money because it was not proceeds of crime, it was legally owned money. They said they were going to give it to victims but that never really happened. It just vanished into the government somewhere.

Helen Harvey was the heir to the Tasmanian lottery. She left Martin her estate when she died. It is assumed by some that some wealthy people hated that Martin and they wanted that money and framed or used Martin. And politicians being politicians just used the tragedy as they do to push their agenda.

[alexjones]

People also think it is strange that 6 weeks after Port Arthur 15 SAS died in Townsville when the Blackhawks collided.

Some people think that one of the SAS did the shooting for a contract for some wealthy individuals.

[bladeracer]

People also think it is strange that 6 weeks after Port Arthur 15 SAS died in Townsville when the Blackhawks collided.

Some people think that one of the SAS did the shooting for a contract for some wealthy individuals.

Even assuming one of the headshed in SAS was behind it all I can't imagine a way to orchestrate a pair of helicopters colliding on command, unless one of the pilots was happy to sacrifice himself, and a bunch of his mates for the coverup.

[alexjones]

People also think it is strange that 6 weeks after Port Arthur 15 SAS died in Townsville when the Blackhawks collided.

Some people think that one of the SAS did the shooting for a contract for some wealthy individuals.

Even assuming one of the headshed in SAS was behind it all I can't imagine a way to orchestrate a pair of helicopters colliding on command, unless one of the pilots was happy to sacrifice himself, and a bunch of his mates for the coverup.

That's the thing with a conspiracy theory. You can link things together to form something bigger.

Nobody knows why one of the Blackhawks veered off course and its rotor hit the tail rotor of the other Blackhawk.

We only know it was a collision because that's what they tell us. We were not there to see what happened.

I believe this theory started because there is a photo of a bloke in army camo in a vehicle around Port Arthur hours after the shooting and it looks like one of the blokes who was killed in the crash.

[alexjones]

Another reason why people think it could of been SAS because there was an ex SAS bloke who said it could of been. I forget his name but I think it was David Everett. He was Australian SAS and went to jail for doing a lot of bank robberies and some assassinations in the early 1990s. He said that some of the blokes were involved in taking underworld contracts for large sums of cash.

He is dead now of cancer but we can only take his word for it as he was SAS and we are not.

[bladeracer]

That's the thing with a conspiracy theory. You can link things together to form something bigger.

Nobody knows why one of the Blackhawks veered off course and its rotor hit the tail rotor of the other Blackhawk.

We only know it was a collision because that's what they tell us. We were not there to see what happened.

I believe this theory started because there is a photo of a bloke in army camo in a vehicle around Port Arthur hours after the shooting and it looks like one of the blokes who was killed in the crash.

I was so relieved seeing the very early footage as I'm sure one of the guys I knew stumbled out of the wreckage holding his arm. However, hours later he was listed as killed. I don't know what happened. I mentioned it to another trooper a few years later but he understandably wasn't able to comment (he was still serving but wasn't involved at Townsville). Perhaps I was mistaken and he died immediately, perhaps he escaped the wreckage with serious trauma that killed him soon after. But it wasn't pleasant hearing he was involved, then knowing he was okay, then finding out he was gone.

There are lots of parts of the Tasmanian story that are definitely lacking clarity, but I can't believe this particular conspiracy. Military or Police personnel or private contractors may well have been involved, but I don't see how Townsville could've been part of it. It would've been far simpler to knock off a trooper during the night exercise than bring down two helicopters - they are SAS, knocking people off is something they do extremely well.

[fussy]

People also think it is strange that 6 weeks after Port Arthur 15 SAS died in Townsville when the Blackhawks collided.

Some people think that one of the SAS did the shooting for a contract for some wealthy individuals.

More importantly: the blackhawk crash killed half as many people, but warranted TWO royal commissions.
Port Arthur: twice as many, NO inquiry.

[Wapiti]

I don't believe any of it. I think that channel is whacko city.
Just like anything in the media, it's all narrative distorted. Bryant shot innocent people, simple, and we were punished by politicians who act however they see popular sentiment for their own benefit.
And personal fears.

[alexjones]

I don't believe any of it. I think that channel is whacko city.
Just like anything in the media, it's all narrative distorted. Bryant shot innocent people, simple, and we were punished by politicians who act however they see popular sentiment for their own benefit.
And personal fears.

You don't believe any of it? So you believe all the questions about the case have answers. Ok.

You realise the maker of the series Paul Moder just wants answers to the unanswered questions right?

He wants the evidence files released to answer these questions.

He has said before Bryant could be guilty but release the files to answer all the abnormalities with the case.

[alexjones]

The police reported seeing a naked women running around seascape cottage at 230pm screaming. However the only women known to be at Seascape Sally Martin was said to have been killed around 1030am-1230pm.

So who was the women?

People believe it was Martins girlfriend Petra. Because when they arrested Martin in the morning he was badly burnt and semi conscious he said to the police “where is Petra she was in the house”.

Some people believe she was Martins handler.

[on_one_wheel]

I had no idea that tin foil hats could restrict blood flow to the brain.
Are you people serious.
"The gubberment sent a crack team of commandos to PA for the assassination of innocent people so they could restrict semi automatic rifles"
What the f*** are you all smoking?
We have no rights to firearms, they can ban anything they like with a stroke of the pen.

[alexjones]

I had no idea that tin foil hats could restrict blood flow to the brain.
Are you people serious.
"The gubberment sent a crack team of commandos to PA for the assassination of innocent people so they could restrict semi automatic rifles"
What the f*** are you all smoking?
We have no rights to firearms, they can ban anything they like with a stroke of the pen.

Who on this site said the government sent commandos?

[womble]

I had no idea that tin foil hats could restrict blood flow to the brain.
Are you people serious.
"The gubberment sent a crack team of commandos to PA for the assassination of innocent people so they could restrict semi automatic rifles"
What the f*** are you all smoking?
We have no rights to firearms, they can ban anything they like with a stroke of the pen.

Yeah that’s one of the more loony ones out there. Our own soldiers are not going to shoot our civilians, children included. Not what they signed up for.
Unfortunately I think the really loony tunes stuff means whenever people do question the official version it’s easy to dismiss them as someone who buys into all that.
Much falls into the possible but highly unlikely category. But some questions still remain I think.
And this additional 75 year cover up isn’t really helpful in debunking the theories. It does suggest there’s something to hide.

And to your second question. I’m smoking something that will apparently harm my child during pregnancy and there’s a photo of some bloke with Aids on the packet.