overreaction

[alexjones]

People were shooting on private property at Gympie and some scumbag heard the shots and called the police causing a police overreaction.

Obviously was not a local as gun shots are not an abnormal thing.



https://www.9news.com.au/national/bruce ... bb6bdd3d57

[Wapiti]

Yeah, I heard that even out here, on the local ABC radio.
The news story was that the neighbourhood was disrupted by strings of gunfire etc. and it was just people shooting at targets.

Hopefully they were suitably licensed and didn't give the coppers a reason to bust them for anything because they reckon they even closed the highway in both directions!
Gunshots anywhere, nowadays, puts people on edge it seems.

[alexjones]

Gunshots anywhere, nowadays, puts people on edge it seems.

That right there is the sad commentary. The gun bans, registration etc since Port Arthur is a separate issue but the current cultural fear people have of guns is very concerning.

I can't understand the mindset someone must have to call the police after hearing some shooting in a rural area. Hearing gunshots in a rural area and gunshots in Surfers Paradise are not the same thing.

[Wapiti]

Just saw a few minutes ago, even on SKY news out of Sydney, this report.
Aerial view showed a bloke and a lady sitting in the grass with cops all around, and what looked like some nice sporting guns sitting on open soft bags.
They even showed everyday cops packing up their AR15's and reckoned SERT was deployed too!

FMD! I really need a facepalm emoji right now.

[Robin]

People were shooting on private property at Gympie and some scumbag heard the shots and called the police causing a police overreaction.

Obviously was not a local as gun shots are not an abnormal thing.



https://www.9news.com.au/national/bruce ... bb6bdd3d57

I kinda agree to a point where it was a over kill , however I wouldn't call the people who reported it as scumbags, don't forget it was only a week or so ago this happened "A 22-year-old Upper Mount Gravatt woman is dead after a gunman opened fire on the Bruce Highway" so its going to be in a few peoples mind and unfortunately there are alot of paranoid people out there, as far as the cops go, they might be thinking this could be a possible copycat act, so I don't blame them on that part.

Come and live down my neck of the woods in Logan and cars are backfiring all the time especially at night, and I see so many people of Facebook if that was a gun shot or not, most experienced shooters can tell the difference between a gun shot and a car backfiring, however for those who are not around guns alot, most likely wont be able to tell the difference.

Bringing in the Army was a bad idea as it shows our cops don't have the resources to be able to respond to these things quickly, however it might have been the case of, them being in the area and closer, and if thats the case then yes it was a good idea, put it down to practice.

[Oldbloke]

Yeah, I heard that even out here, on the local ABC radio.
The news story was that the neighbourhood was disrupted by strings of gunfire etc. and it was just people shooting at targets.

Hopefully they were suitably licensed and didn't give the coppers a reason to bust them for anything because they reckon they even closed the highway in both directions!
Gunshots anywhere, nowadays, puts people on edge it seems.

The result of many years of political BS and Media hype.

Agree, over reaction. Police can't win. What if it was a real emergency and they didn't react???

Look what happened with the Wieambilla shootings. Bit different, but failed to take notice of several reports that suggested they were up to no good.

[Wapiti]

Yeah. But the Wieambilla incident initiated from a supposed "welfare check", on a known individual, and nobody thought that prior criminal history was worth a cursory glance or consideration by the poor coppers sent out there. Gunshots resulted from that ill-fated visit.
I guess the coppers ain't wanting to walk into another one of them, and you can't blame them really.

[Oldbloke]

Yeh, wasnt saying it was the same, im sure there are better examples. Just that if someone reports shots they need to be prepared. (Due diligence comes to mind) Take sensible precautions. Cops dont have much info and NFI if person reporting is over reacting or not.

IIRC, in Vic if your going to do a heap of target shooting on private property your meant to inform police before hand. For this reason I guess.

[Wapiti]

I was just thinking, at what point is a good person able to do some sighting in of their rifles?
A line drawn with yes on one side that's considered lightly populated or "country", no on the other because it's too residential?
40 acre blocks? 100 acres? Is there a circle around an area that's taboo? Or it's OK if there aren't people who call the cops if they hear loud noises?
Goes both way I suppose.

[womble]

At the point they legalise suppressors

[deye243]

I wonder if they got an apology ...

[Wapiti]

Apology? Not a chance for this stuff.
How many people have been charged with erroneous firearm offences by police, had their guns confiscated, and had to go to the local court with a lawyer to prove their innocence? Plenty.
For things like storing firearms in soft bags on the back seats, covered with a blanket (bolts out), behind the seat in a Cruiser ute in a bag etc.
Charged with incorrect storage in a vehicle, when they haven't done so.
We've seen people locally in country areas lose their jobs after such charges (because government employees such as health care professionals, local govt people etc are suspended without pay until the issue is resolved - Police are done so with pay), have to fight the charge with a lawyer locally with the cost of $10-$15K, and come out the other end 6 months later still waiting for their firearms licenses and to get their guns back. Let alone loss of income, lost livelihoods and ruined lives.
Those who don't fight in court because they can't afford it, lose it all forever.
And if you think this doesn't happen often, you don't get out much, sorry.

[Wapiti]

At the point they legalise suppressors

In Qld, over the last year or so, there was a determined push to do this by the Shooters Union, firearms dealer representation, AGForce and Nioa, and who knew about it, supported it, and joined up to help? It was deliberately sabotaged by firearms licensing police and stalled with bullsh*t excuses by the last Labor govt.
It has continued with the new LNP who need to get into it because they have no idea, and we are yet to see some progress.
As usual, it is the firearms licensing police who decide that no progress must be made.
Everybody wants something but won't stand up and help. Same old story.

[Wapiti]

At the point they legalise suppressors

In Qld, over the last year or so, there was a determined push to do this by the Shooters Union, firearms dealer representation, Agforce and Nioa, and who knew about it, supported it, and joined up to help? It was deliberately sabotaged by firearms licensing police and stalled with bullsh*t excuses by the last Labor govt.
It has continued with the new LNP who need to get into it because they have no idea, and we are yet to see some progress.
As usual, it is the firearms licensing police who decide that no progress must be made.
Everybody wants something but won't stand up and help. Same old story.

Edit: Follow FVR375 on YouTube (search Suppressors in Qld update FVR375) and educate yourselves on the bastardry that goes on.

[on_one_wheel]

Suppressors.... unless your using .22lr with subs they only drop the noise level by a fanny hair.

In my opinion, having delt with the police after someone called in claiming shots were going over his head, I'd be happy to see an online register where you can enter details like general location and time you plan to shoot.
When the cops get a call about gunfire they can check the gunfire database to establish if it was a planned event, much like fireworks.
It would make sense in semi rural locations where loads of people are going to hear shots.

[Wapiti]

Suppressors.... unless your using .22lr with subs they only drop the noise level by a fanny hair..

You must be dealing with some thick stands of trees mate.
here we go again. Having run with guys doing pro culling using suppressors on 308 rifles with full noise ammo, including choppers where pilots will not tolerate people not using them where they are legal now for that reason, that's such an incorrect statement. If only forums members opinions were actually based on actual experience and knowledge. Oh well.

They completely take the blast pressure away with full-power ammo, and the only thing present is the supersonic crack, like a long drawn-out whip crack as the projectile travels towards its target, with the noise travelling away from the shooter.
It really is a shame that so many people can type out so much misinformation from no experience, and so many people who wouldn't know otherwise might believe it.

[alexjones]

Suppressors.... unless your using .22lr with subs they only drop the noise level by a fanny hair.

In my opinion, having delt with the police after someone called in claiming shots were going over his head, I'd be happy to see an online register where you can enter details like general location and time you plan to shoot.
When the cops get a call about gunfire they can check the gunfire database to establish if it was a planned event, much like fireworks.
It would make sense in semi rural locations where loads of people are going to hear shots.

Terrible idea in my opinion. If its legal to do nobody should have to explain their who, what, when , where , how.

[Peter988]

Anyone know if charges were laid or did the coppers realise all was legal ?

[Oldbloke]

Suppressors.... unless your using .22lr with subs they only drop the noise level by a fanny hair..

You must be dealing with some thick stands of trees mate.
here we go again. Having run with guys doing pro culling using suppressors on 308 rifles with full noise ammo, including choppers where pilots will not tolerate people not using them where they are legal now for that reason, that's such an incorrect statement. If only forums members opinions were actually based on actual experience and knowledge. Oh well.

They completely take the blast pressure away with full-power ammo, and the only thing present is the supersonic crack, like a long drawn-out whip crack as the projectile travels towards its target, with the noise travelling away from the shooter.
It really is a shame that so many people can type out so much misinformation from no experience, and so many people who wouldn't know otherwise might believe it.

I believe your correct. (surprises me) In NZ suppressors are very popular for hunting using normal ammo.

[Wapiti]

Mate, you're spot on. Those blokes buy a quality rifle to walk the toughest terrain around and pick up a new suppressor to go with it. Why?
Anyone who's used or been around one is amazed at the difference.
Problem is the people who know SFA, or aren't interested or exposed to the need, spread BS.
The people who need to use them in Qld are not interested in using sub-sound barrier loads, they need full-power ammo for the varying conditions of culling and managing animal pressure.
The suppressor does an amazing job at that.

All these great, experienced people, Agforce, Shooters Union etc aren't of the opinion that all this effort and organisation is only good for .22's with subs, what a laugh. And aren't misinformed and want to waste their time on something useless.
The push isn't initially for range shooters and casual hunters, because the feeling is that 1. they won't support the push anyway (as is obvious from blokes like Onewheel), and 2. re-catagorising something that currently is Category R now, down to say, Cat C, is probably the best suggestion initially because it will suit businesses and users supporting agriculture.
It has to start somewhere. If/when this occurs and the results become obvious, there's no reason that shooting orgs like SSAA/SU can't put up a push to do so in Category B shooters who are suitably informed.

[No1_49er]

Suppressors.... unless your using .22lr with subs they only drop the noise level by a fanny hair..

You must be dealing with some thick stands of trees mate.
here we go again. Having run with guys doing pro culling using suppressors on 308 rifles with full noise ammo, including choppers where pilots will not tolerate people not using them where they are legal now for that reason, that's such an incorrect statement. If only forums members opinions were actually based on actual experience and knowledge. Oh well.

They completely take the blast pressure away with full-power ammo, and the only thing present is the supersonic crack, like a long drawn-out whip crack as the projectile travels towards its target, with the noise travelling away from the shooter.
It really is a shame that so many people can type out so much misinformation from no experience, and so many people who wouldn't know otherwise might believe it.

I believe your correct. (surprises me) In NZ suppressors are very popular for hunting using normal ammo.

People like onewheel are off the planet if they think that the noise level is only dropped by a fanny hair. It's a fair bet that he has never used one.
In NZ, suppressors aren't just "very popular", they are used as frequently as a scope would be put on a rifle.
I've done A LOT of shooting in NZ and it's interesting to note that anybody who doesn't use a suppressor is (almost) considered to be a social pariah.
The sooner that Australia allows the use of suppressors/sound moderators the better, from a purely health and safety perspective. There's a very good scientific report here :- https://www.parliament.tas.gov.au/__dat ... rearms.pdf
It's well worth a read - be enlightened.

[womble]

I don’ think he really meant fanny hair. Maybe big bushy fanny.

Combined with subsonic loads yes pretty quiet even in 30 cal. But you run your standard ammo and not nearly as quiet . Small semi rural with close neighbours you might still get Karen on a mission to save everyone.

I think the issue here is Karen. And I’m not keen on ideas to placate her drama.

Rural areas someone target shooting is a familiar repetition. Someone tossing some clays is obvious too.

It dose’nt sound the same as when combined with sirens, screaming and helicopters overhead.most rational people can tell the differences.

[deye243]

Apology? Not a chance for this stuff.
How many people have been charged with erroneous firearm offences by police, had their guns confiscated, and had to go to the local court with a lawyer to prove their innocence? Plenty.
For things like storing firearms in soft bags on the back seats, covered with a blanket (bolts out), behind the seat in a Cruiser ute in a bag etc.
Charged with incorrect storage in a vehicle, when they haven't done so.
We've seen people locally in country areas lose their jobs after such charges (because government employees such as health care professionals, local govt people etc are suspended without pay until the issue is resolved - Police are done so with pay), have to fight the charge with a lawyer locally with the cost of $10-$15K, and come out the other end 6 months later still waiting for their firearms licenses and to get their guns back. Let alone loss of income, lost livelihoods and ruined lives.
Those who don't fight in court because they can't afford it, lose it all forever.
And if you think this doesn't happen often, you don't get out much, sorry.

There was a reason I put three laughing emojis in that post I knew damn well they'd never be Gettin an apology

[womble]

There was a solid push for suppressors in victoria a few years back. But in the end it was the farmers that came back and said no.

And I kind of get that. Because we still get some bad apples trespassing and poaching shooting too close buildings etc and so they’ve ruined it for the rest of us.

I think they should allow them for cat c and d in all states and i think that’s reasonable, achievable.