Storage requirements AGAIN in the news

[MeccaOz]

http://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/236 ... ce/?cs=193

[1290]

Its coming.... be warned.

[WesleySnipes]

I honestly think that even when private ownership of firearms is completely outlawed and 20 years later down the track gun crime is still through the roof and increasing at a healthy rate these idiots still probably wouldn't even get it. Nothing that specifically legislates law abiding citizens and makes it tougher on the good guys will make a difference to the underlying issues causing gun crime. In fact all it seems to do is make more and more innocent people defenceless against the criminal element in our society.

Is this not common sense though? Or am I missing the point...

[MeccaOz]

I honestly think that even when private ownership of firearms is completely outlawed and 20 years later down the track gun crime is still through the roof and increasing at a healthy rate these idiots still probably wouldn't even get it. Nothing that specifically legislates law abiding citizens and makes it tougher on the good guys will make a difference to the underlying issues causing gun crime. In fact all it seems to do is make more and more innocent people defenceless against the criminal element in our society.

Is this not common sense though? Or am I missing the point...

Nope Mr Snipes, you are not... But your far to rational for most,lol

[1290]

Mecca, I was going to say ease up on the news story posting, but this one is a good example of fairfax reporting going stupid stoopid stoopider...

Lets break this one down...

Really, what kind of a reporter posts a huge picture of HIMSELF?? is he semi-retarded? Mr Pippos you are a tool. Let me guess, couldn't locate the stock photos of police press conference with the old table of sawn off 12g and 50's era rimfire rifles???

"It's also a diversion of sorts from the main problem - the political elephant in the room - being the inadequate storage of guns at residential properties."
You FOOL it IS a diversion from the main problem CRIMINALS STEALING FIREARMS FROM COMPLIANT STORAGES and then the police being UNABLE OR UNWILLING TO CHASE AND CATCH THESE CRIMS....so naturally great idea; chase the easy target, the lawful owner you know where they live, they are such a bunch of outlaws that they allowed the police to keep all their records on file, name, address, number and type of firearms, of course storage type and location on the property!!! and in certain cases even finger prints and associates...

then you continue:
However, gun thieves, many of them armed robbers, are not in the habit of returning their firearms to police. Police Minister Rene Hidding must act soon to amend gun storage laws.

So hang on....the crims dont return the stolen guns so therefore the Police Minister MUST act on those lawful owners....

You are a legend as far as tools go....

If it costs gun owners more, then they will have to cop it.
So, if we end up requiring a steel plate lined reinforced concrete strong room will full safe door.... else we cant keep our guns thats cool with you, right?
So how do you 'recreate'? Golf? If you had to increase your storage to the same suggested level that would be cool? “But but but, thats different, theyre sporting equipment and cant kill people with them...” riiiiiiight, golf clubs are not as dangerous as guns, hang on, you CAN kill someone quite easily with a club, and dead is dead.

You are a fool.

If thieves can blow up ATMs and make off with the cash, they certainly won't be deterred by the current firearm storage requirements.
So therefore if firearm storage is as secure as a banks ATM........

You are a ..... mule, an ass.
Yes, an ass.

The statistics speak for themselves.

Yes they do. Have you studied the statistics?

Well, in Tasmania during 2012 there were 70 unfortunate suicides, so first up we should ban suicides, but 26 were by hanging or strangulation so we should ban rope and toughen up rope storage requirements... (12 were with a firearm so we should ban suicide by firearm too, naturally) But its worse to kill yourself with a gun so the penalty should be harsher, that makes sense right?

Now there were 9 homicides in Tassy.

Perspective time;

4 homicides were by firearm (44%) , the proportion by firearm is however technically down on the previous year recorded as 3 of 5 (60%) for what its worth.

There were 9 deaths during the period involving complications of medical or surgical care....not from the illness but 'complications' of the care.
We'd better crackdown on doctor storage.

117 Taswegians dies from accidental injury, 52 from accidental FALLS! including ZERO accidental firearm deaths.

So time to ban high places, stair, beds, uneven or slippery surfaces

33 people died from transport accidents/incidents so obviously it is time to strengthen the car truck bike and bus storage and of course remove all footpaths and ped crossings from roads....

344 were attributed to mental or behavioural disorders, dont worry about THAT big white elephant in the room...

For the record, during 2012 in Tassy there were 4459 death from all causes, dont ask how many were from cancer and diseases of the circulatory system.....

So to sum up, there were no accidental death from firearm use, hasnt been one recorded since 2006. There were however 4 homicides involving firearms (at least they're pretty sure firearms were used) and 4 out of the last 10 years there were ZERO homicides by firearm. Annual average, considering the years with zero over the period is 1.7 deaths

....there were however resulting from metal health, transport means and otherwise accidental or less than adequate medical care a total of 566 deaths...

So yes Mr Dip$hit, its time to crack down on lawful firearm owners.



Apologies for the long post, I've been reviewing the latest ABS data release (would you believe?)
Further apologies for the talk of death and suicide, It is however of paramount importance to bring this topic to the light, not hide it, it wont go away and if you feeling that way please pick up the phone, even send a pm to someone online....






edit to add for Mr dipshit:
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/DetailsPage/3303.02012?OpenDocument

[MeccaOz]

I'm gunna repost that, well put 1290.. And OK just for you i'll stop with the news

[1290]

I'm gunna repost that, well put 1290.. And OK just for you i'll stop with the news

No, by all mean, post the firearm related articles, drop the text in your post too (not sure admins opinion on that though)
thing is the anti bias in these stories is depressing....

[Apollo]

Okay, I too was getting a bit tired of all the "MeccaOz" news posts, very much so of the really "Old News" being brought up and wondered how much spare time does this person have to find all this dribble from history.

This time I'll say well done, BUT what is well done is the responce from "1290" that is magic. Read every word with interest and thank you for spending so much time writing your reply. Again....WELL DONE...!!!!!

"MeccaOz" ... It's just a Forum not a News Media Outlet for every obscure news article from around the world about firearms.

[Aster]

lol thanks 1290, I posted it under my name not to steal your thunder but it's better my arse gets kicked. And Apollo yeah I know, but hey life is easy, dont read it mate

[WesleySnipes]

Excellent post 1290. Champion.

And Mecca why don't you be the forum news man and compile relevant documents to our interests and post them all in one post once a week? I would find that useful as I really don't spend a lot of my time on the net. Just food for thought.

[MeccaOz]

Excellent post 1290. Champion.

And Mecca why don't you be the forum news man and compile relevant documents to our interests and post them all in one post once a week? I would find that useful as I really don't spend a lot of my time on the net. Just food for thought.

Nah I think I'll give it a miss mate. I just cant believe the s**t I read, I guess I take it personally. I look at it as even if this stuff was written 12 months ago, so what it means the anti's got yet another win at our expense and being in Australia we all need to be on the ball. But hey thats not this forums idea, which is fine absolutely . Been a long time since I could just talk guns without politics getting in the way lol. And Apollo I'm a web programmer by day, so I spend prolly 14 hours behind this thing every day, thats how mate

[Apollo]

Are you confusing "Aster" with "Apollo" .... ???? I don't see any comments from Aster.

Maybe too much keyboard time ....

My views are just mine not anything to do with this Forum. Maybe I'm too old to worry to much about news events, called "old and senile" ....

Mecca, have a great day.

[WesleySnipes]

Excellent post 1290. Champion.

And Mecca why don't you be the forum news man and compile relevant documents to our interests and post them all in one post once a week? I would find that useful as I really don't spend a lot of my time on the net. Just food for thought.

Nah I think I'll give it a miss mate. I just cant believe the s**t I read, I guess I take it personally. I look at it as even if this stuff was written 12 months ago, so what it means the anti's got yet another win at our expense and being in Australia we all need to be on the ball. But hey thats not this forums idea, which is fine absolutely . Been a long time since I could just talk guns without politics getting in the way lol. And Apollo I'm a web programmer by day, so I spend prolly 14 hours behind this thing every day, thats how mate

I'm personally not annoyed by your posts. The fact that some of them are a bit old doesn't really make too much of a difference considering our political climate regarding firearms has been so linear and unchanged for such a long time, Some may still feel the need for a discussion (like me) as you are right, it is a loss for us. Port Arthur happened almost 2 decades ago and the anti's still bring that up, as if it's some big 'win' that 35 people were slain to aid them in furthering their agenda.

And I see you have quite a knack for it, so why don't you create one post and label it "Mecca's Official News Thread". That way it's all in one thread and no one can complain as it's not all over the place. As I'm not a mod I'm not sure how the logistics of that would work but I've seen it done before.

[MeccaOz]

Sorry Aster, Sorry Apollo .. yup way too much keyboard time. I think I need a holiday, laffin.

[Apollo]

No worries.

Okay, holiday. Sit back have a few stiff drinks and dream about the times when the lounge room wall was covered with your prize collection of firearms including the semi-automatics and you could have everything delivered by your postman. Plus nobody really cared nor was interested in stealing one.

Gee, you could actually go to a country pub, pass over a few dollars and buy a non traceable handgun cheaper than from the gun shop. No I didn't as I had more than enough legal one's but I have been approached several times years ago by some guy saying "would you be interested in buying a pistol" and try not to choke on your mouthful of beer.

Oh, what it was like.

[MeccaOz]

No worries.

Okay, holiday. Sit back have a few stiff drinks and dream about the times when the lounge room wall was covered with your prize collection of firearms including the semi-automatics and you could have everything delivered by your postman. Plus nobody really cared nor was interested in stealing one.

Gee, you could actually go to a country pub, pass over a few dollars and buy a non traceable handgun cheaper than from the gun shop. No I didn't as I had more than enough legal one's but I have been approached several times years ago by some guy saying "would you be interested in buying a pistol" and try not to choke on your mouthful of beer.

Oh, what it was like.

Laffin, Im from WA, we were barely allowed semi auto .22's even back in the day

[Westy]

Hey 1290 why don't you tell us how you really feel Mate!!!!

[Apollo]

Laffin, Im from WA, we were barely allowed semi auto .22's even back in the day

I'm not laughing as I still can't believe you guys in WA can't have empty cartridges cases laying around as they are treated as live ammo....what a joke that is.....

The funniest thing I remember from way back in the early 1980's was the local Cop asked me to take a few of his visiting, youg police mates out shooting on my property. All was pretty good, nice guys , not really good shots but one of them brought out his .22LR Semi Auto Rifle had a few single then quick fire shots and some of them hit the tree he was aiming at, some and it was only 50 yards away. Then the fun started, watch this he said, I converted it to full automatic. Well I couldn't stop laughing, I think the first shot hit the tree but it was anyone's guess where the rest of the 20 clip ended up.

Don't think any of them managed to hit a rabbit and it took ages to pick up all the boxes of empties laying around. They had fun and shouted quite a few ales at the local afterwards.

That was back in them times.

[on_one_wheel]

The numbers are slowly stacking up against us with the growing population of do gooders, wowsers, greens and people who have been taught by the media that guns = bad people, violence and murder, it is inevitable that things are going to get tougher until we are left with only our memories of firearms.

The only hope we have of fighting them is by uniting as a group, It works for the Yanks but we are too layed back.

For anyone who has not already joined the SSAA, you are not doing your sport any favours, with numbers comes power, money and influence....Join already, or you can just sit back and complain when our next big buy back happens and we get to watch our arms go through the steel chipper.

[1290]

Westy,I'm really not that happy at the moment, Italy went down to Costa Rica.... Shades of 90&94.... they threw the game. They were a totally different team to the previous game.
I'm warming up the Pavoni (first to know what this is wins) and will drown my sorrows with a quad shot of Colombian...sufficiently corrected.

As far as unity goes, I have been a member of SSAA for a while, I cant see them pushing the cause... there are so many committees they could have influence to make some changes... they like the status quo and the bonanza that the 96 law was for them. yes thats what I said. If it wasnt mandated how many members would there be today??


We need to combat the significant threat to not only our shooting and gun ownership but many other facets of our lives.... thats the greens.
They are little concerned about our environment, they more concerned about destroying our nation and our liberties, dramatic? not really, just look at their border protection policy - open the borders and let all comers in. THAT is internationalism, no borders, Communism/socialism. The Environment?? they use that a a ploy to suck in the punters, the foot soldiers who are truly concerned with the rivers, the pollution, a prosperous future for our kids, they've joined the wrong club though.

The watermelons, the greentards aka the greens care little about the things we cherish and couldnt give a rats proverbial if we were taxed to buggery, including the carbon(dioxide) that we breath..... they are commies, reds, for goodness sake the chief NSW green, that ugly nasty piece of work who currently goes by who third surname, the one who is our Feinstein, did her training in moscow in the 70's.....

[Noisydad]

1290 your post- even if somewhat longish - SOOOOO needs to be posted in mainstream press AND the other "Book"! ...ok maybe tidy it up a bit but you put it all in perspective very well! Tools like that "reporter" need to be slapped down like a dunny seat IN PUBLIC other wise they get their way all the time! As the old proverb says there's no use preaching to the converted!

[MeccaOz]

Laffin, Im from WA, we were barely allowed semi auto .22's even back in the day

I'm not laughing as I still can't believe you guys in WA can't have empty cartridges cases laying around as they are treated as live ammo....what a joke that is.....

The funniest thing I remember from way back in the early 1980's was the local Cop asked me to take a few of his visiting, youg police mates out shooting on my property. All was pretty good, nice guys , not really good shots but one of them brought out his .22LR Semi Auto Rifle had a few single then quick fire shots and some of them hit the tree he was aiming at, some and it was only 50 yards away. Then the fun started, watch this he said, I converted it to full automatic. Well I couldn't stop laughing, I think the first shot hit the tree but it was anyone's guess where the rest of the 20 clip ended up.

Don't think any of them managed to hit a rabbit and it took ages to pick up all the boxes of empties laying around. They had fun and shouted quite a few ales at the local afterwards.

LMAO !!!
That was back in them times.

[MeccaOz]

1290 your post- even if somewhat longish - SOOOOO needs to be posted in mainstream press AND the other "Book"! ...ok maybe tidy it up a bit but you put it all in perspective very well! Tools like that "reporter" need to be slapped down like a dunny seat IN PUBLIC other wise they get their way all the time! As the old proverb says there's no use preaching to the converted!

LOL I cleaned it up again and reposted it to the newspaper in question. It lasted all of 5 minutes before they removed it.

[Warrigul]

Excellent post 1290. Champion.

And Mecca why don't you be the forum news man and compile relevant documents to our interests and post them all in one post once a week? I would find that useful as I really don't spend a lot of my time on the net. Just food for thought.

Keep it up MeccaOz, nothing wrong with posting, the SAMS don't have to read it if they don't want to and the amount of time you have available is none of their business.

Back top the article, I have stayed out of commenting on this one as it has been well handled by 1290.

Whilst I don't agree with Mr Pippos this time, in his favour he usually presents a logical point of view regarding firearms. He has come out on "our side" a couple of times in the past.

[Noisydad]

I agree with Warrigul. Keep posting please! If we don't read this stuff AND respond to and challenge these self opinionated twats they will continue to bend us over and make us take any piece of crap they want dish out in the effort to sway the public into outlawing us! We are far, far to willing to bury our heads in the sand and ignore these relentless attacks and do nothing but whine to each other about it and farm organisations are no better! We really need to learn how to protest like the French do!

[1290]

1290 your post- even if somewhat longish - SOOOOO needs to be posted in mainstream press AND the other "Book"! ...ok maybe tidy it up a bit but you put it all in perspective very well! Tools like that "reporter" need to be slapped down like a dunny seat IN PUBLIC other wise they get their way all the time! As the old proverb says there's no use preaching to the converted!

Hey noisy, long post ha, I do know what you mean, at times I have been known to lose interest halfway thru the first line....mainstream media doesn't really care much for the shooters opinion.... thats the problem and as mecca discovered there is not a great deal of room in the comment section for an opinion opposing their spin....

Which is the other book? The 'good' book? I don't think their still taking submissions....

[MeccaOz]

Which is the other book? The 'good' book? I don't think their still taking submissions....

, havent you read it, every year the pope adds to it , now it's even got something like "Forging cash is a sin"

[tiki]

, havent you read it, every year the pope adds to it , now it's even got something like "Forging cash is a sin"

Tax evasion is a sin.

Oh, unless you're the church... Then it's all good.

[gazza]

Charge anyone found with a stolen, unregistered firearm with attempted murder.

[MeccaOz]

Charge anyone found with a stolen, unregistered firearm with attempted murder.

Why ???? Nearly every rifle Ive met has never harmed a human being in it's life. How about we charge people who have actually attempted murder with attempted murder. A license is paperwork .. A white color crime at best.