Quote from George Orwell

[MeccaOz]

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[Jack V]

Our Government does not have a problem shipping tons of arms and ammunition to support the Kurds and I agree whole heartedly with that but our Government seems to want to stop me from owning guns. Does anyone else see the hypocrisy here ?

[Westy]

Well it was Janet Howard who was running the country back in 1996,a women's logic at work yet again!!!!!!

[1290]

Did I inspire you with my Eric Blair reference....

I'm not sure if this is his quote, many interweb quotes are plain fabrications... like many attributed to Hitler, they just fit the narrative, but if this is a quote, it would be the standard double speak - He was a big time socialist, as such the aim was to enslave the people. You get them on side by proclaiming the right that they should have or maintain....socialism and guns(for the people) are incompatible.

I think his best quote, really a line from Nineteen eightyfour, written years ago is as true and fitting today as ever;

Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with
neighbours, films, football, beer, and above all, gambling, filled up the horizon of
their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult.

E.A.Blair, Nineteen eighty four, published 1949.

[MeccaOz]

Did I inspire you with my Eric Blair reference....

I'm not sure if this is his quote, many interweb quotes are plain fabrications... like many attributed to Hitler, they just fit the narrative, but if this is a quote, it would be the standard double speak - He was a big time socialist, as such the aim was to enslave the people. You get them on side by proclaiming the right that they should have or maintain....socialism and guns(for the people) are incompatible.

I think his best quote, really a line from Nineteen eightyfour, written years ago is as true and fitting today as ever;

Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with
neighbours, films, football, beer, and above all, gambling, filled up the horizon of
their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult.

E.A.Blair, Nineteen eighty four, published 1949.

Socialists are the Idealists of the communist world mate, Two different fish. Then reality kicks in and mans greed takes over, then we have communism.

Orwell wrote the quote for Evening Standard on the 8 January 1941. The article was titled "Don't Let Colonel Blimp Ruin the Home Guard"

[1290]

Communism and Socialism....not much diff, both 'concepts' are offensive to a free society. Communists/communism call for the implementation of socialism per the manifesto.

[MeccaOz]

Socialism and communism are alike in that both are systems of production for use based on public ownership, But IMHO Communism, even though created after Socialism, is an abomination, created so the powerful can exploit the weak in the name of equality ... I'm more an anti statist myself ... Maybe an Anarchist.

[WesleySnipes]

I highly doubt you're an anarchist, unless you consider yourself to be among the radical left wing parties on the political spectrum. I think you are perhaps alluding to Rousseau's centrality of freedom, and secularism which are characteristics commonly practiced by anarchists (but also many socialist ideologies).

In regards to socialism broadly, as there are so many forms of it with differing values, it is considered to be the stepping stone towards communism via the eradication of private ownership to create the facade of material equality. They are definitely not two different fish at all, and align in almost all every political aspect as per the Communist Manifesto written by old mate Marx and Engels (As 1290 has already stated). If you read the Manifesto, it might alert you to how similar socialism and communism are politically, differing more in their implementation than anything.

Whilst Orwell was a democratic socialist he was vehemently opposed to Stalin and communism, being more worried about social issues and inequalities, and had quite a few good texts about police states, mass surveillance etc. Hence the term Orwellian to describe over reaches of power to collect data of the populace for example.

[cavok]

Our Government does not have a problem shipping tons of arms and ammunition to support the Kurds and I agree whole heartedly with that but our Government seems to want to stop me from owning guns. Does anyone else see the hypocrisy here ?

Our government at this moments does not want to stop you from owning guns, it merely wants you to follow the procedure set out by the state government in which you live, and has limitations on some guns you can own. If you have an A & B licence, anything from .177 to .50 cal, what else, you can own many, With a category H licence you can from memory own 14 before extra security is required, then you can have what you want, within reason. I am not happy with the process, but Labour will not change the system and that only leaves Liberals. I'm certain if we are ever invaded some foreign government will ship both you and I arms, (if it's in their interest).

[cavok]

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Well so much for that quote from G. Orwell, ( Eric Arthur Blair (25 June 1903 – 21 January 1950) not to many firearms hanging anywhere in mother England. Their crime rate is going sky high, the firearm ban is not affective, there are more firearm related crimes being committed as I write, yet no-one in England is willing to even discuss overturning the firearm ban there, WHY? The police are aware of the crime increase, the media is, but still honest Britain's cannot own a pistol lost most of everything else, does not make sense.

[1290]

Our government at this moments does not want to stop you from owning guns, it merely wants you to follow the procedure set out by the state government in which you live, and has limitations on some guns you can own. If you have an A & B licence, anything from .177 to .50 cal, what else, you can own many, With a category H licence you can from memory own 14 before extra security is required, then you can have what you want, within reason. I am not happy with the process, but Labour will not change the system and that only leaves Liberals. I'm certain if we are ever invaded some foreign government will ship both you and I arms, (if it's in their interest).

The government DOES want to stop us from owning guns, and more so the guns IT sees as a threat; semi auto and auto rifles, which it has successfully ceased the licit proliferation of..... imagine a populace with the means to march on parliament with a comparable level of force to our ,militarised police and military..... they wouldnt have a bar of it. They wont, at least not while the false dichotomy of the lib/lab system continues. Personally, I have no intention of being an outlaw, I consider myself an upstanding member of the community, but I have a serious problem with our police driving around to problem sites with APCs and assault weapons...

Funny about the Kurds..... until recently they were considered rebel separatist who fought the government... but we now drop supplies and weapons to them when it suit the political movement of the day. interesting how some of those weapons fell into the hands of the IS....just like the shipment of 43 or so New Hilux utes for the FSA - straight to IS.

[whert]

With a category H licence you can from memory own 14 before extra security is required, then you can have what you want, within reason.

For Victoria it's more than 15 of any firearm, not just Cat H.

(2) If more than 15 firearms are stored on the premises where the firearm is stored, the premises must be fitted with an intruder alarm system-
(a) the installation, maintenance and operation of which complies with Australian Standard 2201.1:2007 (as amended from time to time); and
(b) which, in the event of an intrusion, activates an audible alarm warning device and an external visible alarm warning light.

Just FYI

[Norton]

Our government at this moments does not want to stop you from owning guns

Some maybe, but that's pretty broad sweeping, "our government"...

Do you really suggest that no members of the current government (or the next one), at all, would at some level like to remove gun ownership from citizens completely?

I'd agree it might be a higher or lower priority for some, but I'd argue it's definitely there.

[chacka]

The guy wrote good stuff

[MeccaOz]

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Well so much for that quote from G. Orwell, ( Eric Arthur Blair (25 June 1903 – 21 January 1950) not to many firearms hanging anywhere in mother England. Their crime rate is going sky high, the firearm ban is not affective, there are more firearm related crimes being committed as I write, yet no-one in England is willing to even discuss overturning the firearm ban there, WHY? The police are aware of the crime increase, the media is, but still honest Britain's cannot own a pistol lost most of everything else, does not make sense.

In the 1900's in England, Bobby's didnt have to wear guns cos there was no crime. Anyone could own whatever type of gun. Now guns are banned, and they have to keep submachine guns in the boot.

[MeccaOz]

Our government at this moments does not want to stop you from owning guns, it merely wants you to follow the procedure set out by the state government in which you live, and has limitations on some guns you can own. If you have an A & B licence, anything from .177 to .50 cal, what else, you can own many, With a category H licence you can from memory own 14 before extra security is required, then you can have what you want, within reason. I am not happy with the process, but Labour will not change the system and that only leaves Liberals. I'm certain if we are ever invaded some foreign government will ship both you and I arms, (if it's in their interest).

The government DOES want to stop us from owning guns, and more so the guns IT sees as a threat; semi auto and auto rifles, which it has successfully ceased the licit proliferation of..... imagine a populace with the means to march on parliament with a comparable level of force to our ,militarised police and military..... they wouldnt have a bar of it. They wont, at least not while the false dichotomy of the lib/lab system continues. Personally, I have no intention of being an outlaw, I consider myself an upstanding member of the community, but I have a serious problem with our police driving around to problem sites with APCs and assault weapons...

Funny about the Kurds..... until recently they were considered rebel separatist who fought the government... but we now drop supplies and weapons to them when it suit the political movement of the day. interesting how some of those weapons fell into the hands of the IS....just like the shipment of 43 or so New Hilux utes for the FSA - straight to IS.

We are programmed to think Government is the be all and end all ... Seriously what do we need them for ? To give out licenses and fines, ? To tell our kids how to think in school ? Look after the roads and shut up government.

[cavok]

Our government at this moments does not want to stop you from owning guns, it merely wants you to follow the procedure set out by the state government in which you live, and has limitations on some guns you can own. If you have an A & B licence, anything from .177 to .50 cal, what else, you can own many, With a category H licence you can from memory own 14 before extra security is required, then you can have what you want, within reason. I am not happy with the process, but Labour will not change the system and that only leaves Liberals. I'm certain if we are ever invaded some foreign government will ship both you and I arms, (if it's in their interest).

The government DOES want to stop us from owning guns, and more so the guns IT sees as a threat; semi auto and auto rifles, which it has successfully ceased the licit proliferation of..... imagine a populace with the means to march on parliament with a comparable level of force to our ,militarised police and military..... they wouldnt have a bar of it. They wont, at least not while the false dichotomy of the lib/lab system continues. Personally, I have no intention of being an outlaw, I consider myself an upstanding member of the community, but I have a serious problem with our police driving around to problem sites with APCs and assault weapons...


Same old, same old. "The Government" is that, they make and pass laws, ensure police and ASIO monitor people internally they see as a threat, read our emails, listen to phone conversations. Actually the government does a great deal, it ensures that they are advised by non government advisors as to what is reasonable in a firearm to own, and the process. The government per se would not know a SKK from an SKS, so they don't give a stuff what we want.
Still on about the populace marching on our illustrious parliament house, to do what, install their type of government, NOT by the people FOR the people, but their brand. Well not in my time they won't, it will be by elections free and fair, and if someone dose not like the government that wins the election they have several options. Now go work that one out. I also hope the police driving around carry whatever they require to do whatever they are required to do, they can have 5 assault rifles for all I care, they do their job.

[MeccaOz]

The government DOES want to stop us from owning guns, and more so the guns IT sees as a threat; semi auto and auto rifles, which it has successfully ceased the licit proliferation of..... imagine a populace with the means to march on parliament with a comparable level of force to our ,militarised police and military..... they wouldnt have a bar of it. They wont, at least not while the false dichotomy of the lib/lab system continues. Personally, I have no intention of being an outlaw, I consider myself an upstanding member of the community, but I have a serious problem with our police driving around to problem sites with APCs and assault weapons...


Same old, same old. "The Government" is that, they make and pass laws, ensure police and ASIO monitor people internally they see as a threat, read our emails, listen to phone conversations. Actually the government does a great deal, it ensures that they are advised by non government advisors as to what is reasonable in a firearm to own, and the process. The government per se would not know a SKK from an SKS, so they don't give a stuff what we want.
Still on about the populace marching on our illustrious parliament house, to do what, install their type of government, NOT by the people FOR the people, but their brand. Well not in my time they won't, it will be by elections free and fair, and if someone dose not like the government that wins the election they have several options. Now go work that one out. I also hope the police driving around carry whatever they require to do whatever they are required to do, they can have 5 assault rifles for all I care, they do their job. [/quote]


Sorry mate, but If you think we live in a democracy now, your deluding yourself. As far as Im concerned Libs and Labor are the same party with the same Oligarchs running them. They just play the game every 4 years. Remember when Pauline was getting far too much attention, old Johnny pulled out all stops and played the game like a dog to get her out of politics.

[cavok]

Sorry mate, but If you think we live in a democracy now, your deluding yourself. As far as Im concerned Libs and Labor are the same party with the same Oligarchs running them. They just play the game every 4 years. Remember when Pauline was getting far too much attention, old Johnny pulled out all stops and played the game like a dog to get her out of politics.

WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY right here, right now. WE, you me and everyone else can vote, as long as the candidate is on the ballot paper you can vote for him or her, or make another selection. Liberal and Labor are not the same, one is a conservative party the other socialist. The person who actually engineered the demise of Ms Hanson was Tony Abbott. She broke some law regarding the registration or other of her party, she paid the price. The Democrats are gone, lots of other people and parties to vote for and this is in both houses. From memory the last senate paper had some sixty names on it or more, that is Democracy. Also the elections are every 3 years for federal politics.

[1290]

Ha HA HA democracy.... what a pipe dream... it ends at the ballot box when you drop the slip of toilet paper into the box....
Libs and Labs both have there most glorious of (prospective) leaders indoctrinated in the ways of the globalist elite at Oxford (Rhodes scholarship system) then they are returned here to lead the sheeple... baaaaahhhhhh baaaaahhhhhh.

Mecca, there's no better way to describe it than an oligarchy, here the definition for all to make your minds up;

oligarchy [ol-i-gahr-kee] Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin noun, plural oligarchies.
1.a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few.
2.a state or organization so ruled.
3.the persons or class so ruling.

How many time has Abbott or indeed Gizzard state that THEY decide or their Caucus or cabinet decided SOMETHING....

[MeccaOz]

Great Minds

[cavok]

I like a great deal of what you post, on this topic of Democracy I shall merely disagree with you. Keep up the good information and issues.

[cavok]

Ha HA HA democracy.... what a pipe dream... it ends at the ballot box when you drop the slip of toilet paper into the box....
Libs and Labs both have there most glorious of (prospective) leaders indoctrinated in the ways of the globalist elite at Oxford (Rhodes scholarship system) then they are returned here to lead the sheeple... baaaaahhhhhh baaaaahhhhhh.

Mecca, there's no better way to describe it than an oligarchy, here the definition for all to make your minds up;

oligarchy [ol-i-gahr-kee] Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin noun, plural oligarchies.
1.a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few.
2.a state or organization so ruled.
3.the persons or class so ruling.

How many time has Abbott or indeed Gizzard state that THEY decide or their Caucus or cabinet decided SOMETHING....

I cite:
Australian Democracy:
" Definition
According to The Australian Oxford Dictionary, the term democracy refers to 'government by the whole population, usually through elected representatives; nation so governed or classless and tolerant society' (p284). This term is derived from the Greek word 'dēmokratia' meaning 'rule of the people'. Democracy is specified as:
1) The idea that all people in a country have identical rights.
2) A political system of social organisation where a representative and accountable government is elected and given the responsibility of ensuring the maintenance of law and order.
The two main principles of democracy includes: freedom and equality. For all citizens, equality under the law is a fundamental right. Citizens should also be able to enjoy freedom. Democracy is a philosophy of government, not a form of government. A quote by the famous Greek philosopher Aristotle states "In a democracy the poor will have more power than the rich, because there are more of them, and the will of the majority is supreme".

[WesleySnipes]

"A quote by the famous Greek philosopher Aristotle states "In a democracy the poor will have more power than the rich, because there are more of them, and the will of the majority is supreme". "

Try this one, "Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty." - Plato

Or perhaps "Democracy is the road to socialism" - Marx

Political quotes from great minds are a dime a dozen, but which ones seem more true when you look at the history of democracy? There's a reason democracy in Greece failed, and there's also a reason why every other democracy since has failed with it. Because the the poor DON'T have any power over the rich, and complete freedom is rare, and usually taken in order to form a democracy.

[cavok]

I totally give up, am I allowed to say this forum is a Democracy, the voice of the many? Everybody wants their version of a democracy, next thing you know we will rise up in anarchy? Then who rules supreme, anarchy can only exist for so long. Wonder if the poor or the many want democracy of ? Next quote please. To convince some people what we have is a democracy is proving most difficult, what type of government do some here think we have, really have, not their versions of "what they think"

[MeccaOz]

I totally give up, am I allowed to say this forum is a Democracy, the voice of the many? Everybody wants their version of a democracy, next thing you know we will rise up in anarchy? Then who rules supreme, anarchy can only exist for so long. Wonder if the poor or the many want democracy of ? Next quote please. To convince some people what we have is a democracy is proving most difficult, what type of government do some here think we have, really have, not their versions of "what they think"

LOL, how on earth can you have a democracy HONESTLY, when you have a 2 party system ?

[cavok]

I am pleased I live in an democracy, for God help us if those that wish the WEST harm every decide they are in charge, that will then NOT be a democracy. Some despots names come to hand, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, some countries that have NO democracy come to mind, Iran, Syria, North Korea. Russia and China are a worry, not certain which state is the worst. Lack of democracy possibly means you can be taken out and go missing, never to see the light of day.

[1290]

We need more emiticons....facepalm & one with a bowed head slowly shaking left to right in despair...(also the vertically reciprocating closed hand for other situations)

Cavok, where is it you live? Couldnt be Australia... are there buttercups growing in the field, being grazed by unicorns as leprechauns gather the gold at the end of the rainbow..?? aaah f*** it I give up....

[MeccaOz]

We dont even have a bill of rights to protect our constitutional rights in Australia mate ... If you bring up YOUR constitutional rights in court they will laugh at you. Remember when little Johnny laughed at our constitution and said its not worth the paper it's printed on anymore ( not in those words, but to that effect ). If you want to see something scary check out this link, and the copy written logo of this particular company.

http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar ... CIK=805157

That is traded on the US Stock Exchange mate. As for me not being patriotic ... I LOVE MY COUNTRY, But I f***ing HATE our politicians.

[cavok]

We need more emiticons....facepalm & one with a bowed head slowly shaking left to right in despair...(also the vertically reciprocating closed hand for other situations)

Cavok, where is it you live? Couldnt be Australia... are there buttercups growing in the field, being grazed by unicorns as leprechauns gather the gold at the end of the rainbow..?? aaah f*** it I give up....

I could not resist to responding, love this post. I live in the best country in the Fu..ing country in the world, yes there are buttercups growing in abundance in all fields, unicorns are more difficult to locate, as are leprechauns. The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is yet to be claimed. My facial features are neutral, my right hand behind my back, Mexican carry, great. There is no despair, hope eternal, welcome to Victoria.