UN Declares Arms Trade Treaty to Go Into Effect Dec. 24

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UN Declares Arms Trade Treaty to Go Into Effect Dec. 24

Post by MeccaOz » 11 Nov 2014, 11:13 pm

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-new ... ect-dec-24

Yeah it's more for the American guy's, but civilian disarmament is a key part, and which Australia has signed ... I'm unsure if that applies to militia or rebels ( which was suggested to me ) or to ultimately take our guns... All of them. But I dare say we already "Qualify" as compliant .??!

On its official website, the United Nations Office for Disarmament Affairs (yes, that’s really a thing and yes, it is housed right here in the United States) announced that the UN’s Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) “will enter into force on 24 December 2014.”

Merry Christmas!

It is ironical that on the day before the world’s 2.18 billion Christians commemorate the coming of Jesus Christ to the Earth, the United Nations will officially put into motion a plan to deny them of a right given to them by the very God whose birth they celebrate.

For those unfamiliar with the text of the UN’s Arms Trade Treaty, here’s a brief sketch of the most noxious provisions:

• Article 2 of the treaty defines the scope of the treaty’s prohibitions. The right to own, buy, sell, trade, or transfer all means of armed resistance, including handguns, is denied to civilians by this section of the Arms Trade Treaty.

• Article 3 places the “ammunition/munitions fired, launched or delivered by the conventional arms covered under Article 2” within the scope of the treaty’s prohibitions, as well.

• Article 4 rounds out the regulations, also placing all “parts and components” of weapons within the scheme.

• Perhaps the most immediate threat to the rights of gun owners in the Arms Trade Treaty is found in Article 5. Under the title of “General Implementation,” Article 5 mandates that all countries participating in the treaty “shall establish and maintain a national control system, including a national control list.” This list should “apply the provisions of this Treaty to the broadest range of conventional arms.”

• Article 12 adds to the record-keeping requirement, mandating that the list include “the quantity, value, model/type, authorized international transfers of conventional arms,” as well as the identity of the “end users” of these items.

• Finally, the agreement demands that national governments take “appropriate measures” to enforce the terms of the treaty, including civilian disarmament. If these countries can’t get this done on their own, however, Article 16 provides for UN assistance, specifically including help with the enforcement of “stockpile management, disarmament, demobilization and reintegration programmes.” In fact, a “voluntary trust fund” will be established to assist those countries that need help from UN peacekeepers or other regional forces to disarm their citizens.

Arguably, the Arms Trade Treaty would become the law of the United States if the Senate were to ratify the treaty.

While that is the process that the Constitution establishes for the implementation of treaties, fundamental principles of construction and constitutional law dictate that no treaty that violates the Constitution can become the supreme law of the land. In the case of the UN’s Arms Trade Treaty, there is no doubt that regardless of presidential signatures or congressional consent, this treaty cannot pass constitutional muster and therefore will never be the valid law of the land.

Unless, of course, Americans once again acquiesce to President Obama’s assumption of illegal authority and relinquish their rights and weapons regardless of the reasons they should not do so.

There is a higher authority, however, who never asked his followers to surrender their weapons and leave themselves defenseless in the war against tyranny.

While the president declares that greater federal restriction on the right to own, transfer, buy, and sell guns and ammunition is necessary in order to “heal our troubled minds,” Christians believe that there is only one place to turn for such relief: the Great Physician.

Christians, moreover, believe they not only have the right to keep and bear arms, but have the obligation to do so in the fight to protect freedom. The idea that God has commanded his children to own weapons and to be ready to wield them in defense of liberty might sound odd to many, but the scriptures provide ample evidence of this divine injunction.

In Luke 22:35-36, to cite one example, Jesus commanded his followers to purchase a sword in defiance of Roman law. Within the boundaries of the world under the control of the Roman emperor, to carry such a weapon was a crime punishable by death.

Why, then, would Jesus, the Prince of Peace, command his followers to break the law of the world’s most powerful empire — with legions of armed enforcers around every corner — if the benefit of keeping that commandment did not outweigh the potential harm?

Furthermore, if Jesus was the pacifist so many modern gun-rights deniers portray him as, why is there not a single syllable in the scriptures forbidding disciples from keeping and bearing arms?

If God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, why would he instruct early Christians to arms themselves, but insist that modern disciples be left defenseless? And, what of Paul’s pronouncement that “if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever” (1 Tim. 5:8)?

If God preferred that his children refrain from buying, selling, owning, or transferring weapons, why is there not one verse in the entire canon of Christian scripture setting out such counsel?

Where has the Christian adherence to and understanding of this principle gone?

Perhaps it has slipped into oblivion, much like the related precept of being steadfastly dedicated to obeying the world of God in defiance of immoral government edicts.

Perhaps there are “evil men and seducers” who are “without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good.” (2 Timothy 3: 3, 13) who intend to enslave mankind and who understand that a disarmed populace is a slave populace.

Turning to the wisdom and warnings of the Holy Bible, Christians can find the “instruction in righteousness” that they believe lead them to “all good works.” (2 Timothy 3: 16-17)

All Americans, regardless of religion, must recognize that God gave us the freedoms we enjoy and with that gift comes the obligation of protecting ourselves and our loved ones. We must be armed, not for the purpose of private vengeance, but to remain ready to defend the liberty that is our inheritance.

The next meeting of the states that are parties to the Arms Trade Treaty — including the United States — is scheduled for November 27-28 in Berlin, Germany. There is time, then, to convince our elected leaders to refuse to sacrifice our freedom to keep and bear arms on the altar of one-world government.
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Re: UN Declares Arms Trade Treaty to Go Into Effect Dec. 24

Post by deye243 » 11 Nov 2014, 11:54 pm

and so it begins
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Post by MeccaOz » 12 Nov 2014, 12:01 am

deye243 wrote:and so it begins


I think we have been a signatory to this for a few years ( I think ) But they have had trouble implementing it in the USA, because of there constitution ( YAY For the American lad's ) ... So this will either be the beginning of the end of there bill of rights, or the American people telling the UN to get stuffed ( which their politicians do regularly, when it suits them, lol )...

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Seems we have been signed on since the 3rd June 2013 according to this http://disarmament.un.org/treaties/t/att . If you want to read the treaty yourself it's right here http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/ .
It may come to nothing more than what we have implemented now as civilians .... But never trust those who look to get ahead by treading on your shoulders either.
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Re: UN Declares Arms Trade Treaty to Go Into Effect Dec. 24

Post by oowess » 12 Nov 2014, 2:13 pm

deye243 wrote:and so it begins


Yep.

Now lets see what happens in 2 weeks with the next meeting. :|
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Re: UN Declares Arms Trade Treaty to Go Into Effect Dec. 24

Post by MeccaOz » 12 Nov 2014, 3:05 pm

oowess wrote:
deye243 wrote:and so it begins


Yep.

Now lets see what happens in 2 weeks with the next meeting. :|


Keep us informed mate, I'd love to know whats going on with it, and the spin they will try to use.
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Re: UN Declares Arms Trade Treaty to Go Into Effect Dec. 24

Post by Jack V » 12 Nov 2014, 7:41 pm

I have been telling people for years the UN is the greatest enemy we face today. They will disarm us and then stand back and do nothing if we get attacked by another country . The UN is run by China and Russia . You only have to look at the make up of people in it making decisions they don't care about our flag our Nationhood or us . We are just paws to them . They want to flood Australia with refugees from all the trouble spots and the over populated countries and they don't want us to have any say in it , or ability to fight against it . The UN already made a press statement that we had "NO Right " to stop illegal boat people coming to our shores .
These UN people are the filth of the planet and are quite happy to see our way of life disappear entirely . Australia is being setup to take the worlds overflow .
Look into what the UN did in Kenya. They conned the Kenyan Government to allow 500 000 Muslim refugees into the country temporarily and now the UN will not remove them . They have set up an illegal city and sub economy of their own and are now sponsoring terrorist attacks on the Kenyan people and also have driven out of the area all the local Kenyan people . That is what they have planned for us also. Right now they are trying to get our Government to accept refugees from Syria and Iraq . All ordained by the UN high commission for terrorism . As an Australian soldier I would die before wearing that UN blue traitors beret . They want to take away our flag , our culture , our national identity and turn as into a dumping ground . Disarmament is the first step .
Say No to anything the UN wants as you can bet it's not in our best interests .
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Post by Westy » 12 Nov 2014, 7:44 pm

X2 Jack UN are nothing short of Corporate criminals!!!!!
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Post by Jack V » 12 Nov 2014, 8:00 pm

Westy wrote:X2 Jack UN are nothing short of Corporate criminals!!!!!

Yep and someone in the USA did a big audit of the UN's finances and millions of dollars are missing and unaccounted for . It's just a huge tax free racket .
The UN said they had no right to look into their accounts and have covered it all up.
I can't for the life of me understand why the US people allow this trash to operate from within their country .
A lot of this stuff is a UN wish list but all it takes is a bad Priminister that takes bribes from the UN and it could become law . However they still have to implement it and make it work and the day that UN peacekeepers appear on our streets is the day that peace will disappear all together . So it is not going to work . Also the December 24th date is a direct attack at Christianity . The UN has a flag it supports , a Government system the republic it supports but it has never ever stated what Religion it supports ? Could the UN secretly support a religion other than Christianity for all it's member states and I hate that term . We area country not a state . Could that be why they always want to send us non Christian refugees ?
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Re: UN Declares Arms Trade Treaty to Go Into Effect Dec. 24

Post by oowess » 14 Nov 2014, 7:38 am

MeccaOz wrote:Keep us informed mate, I'd love to know whats going on with it, and the spin they will try to use.


I'll be keeping an eye on it.

I'll try and pin some stories from the US side too when it's done.
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Re: UN Declares Arms Trade Treaty to Go Into Effect Dec. 24

Post by MeccaOz » 14 Nov 2014, 6:30 pm

Another meeting to discuss the UN Gun Ban is set to take place in Berlin, Germany November 27 and 28.

Time to email your representative boys and girls, tell them your not happy about Julie Bishop ratifying the treaty, Grrrrrrr.

You can find their emails and postal addresses right here. http://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Memb ... nd_Members

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Re: UN Declares Arms Trade Treaty to Go Into Effect Dec. 24

Post by MeccaOz » 14 Nov 2014, 6:31 pm

oowess wrote:
MeccaOz wrote:Keep us informed mate, I'd love to know whats going on with it, and the spin they will try to use.


I'll be keeping an eye on it.

I'll try and pin some stories from the US side too when it's done.



Thanks mate that would be awesome, maybe if you guys handle it well we can learn what to do next ourselves .. Maybe vice versa :)
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Re: UN Declares Arms Trade Treaty to Go Into Effect Dec. 24

Post by meek » 15 Nov 2014, 2:45 pm

MeccaOz wrote:Time to email your representative boys and girls, tell them your not happy about Julie Bishop ratifying the treaty, Grrrrrrr.


Can't help but be suspicious that they go straight into the spam folder.
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Post by Jack V » 15 Nov 2014, 4:53 pm

Did anyone notice what Banki Moon said about the G20 . He said he wants global emissions to be the number one subject at the G20 . The invasion of the Ukraine could be discussed as a side issue. People getting murdered by Russian insurgents is a side issue for the UN . What's coming out of factory chimneys is much more important than woman and children being slaughtered on the streets in Ukraine . Banki Moon is trying to shield Putin from any Ukraine discussions on the G20 floor . Does anyone need more proof that the UN is run by Russia and China for Russia and China .
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Post by pajamatime » 19 Nov 2014, 9:57 am

Jack V wrote:Did anyone notice what Banki Moon said about the G20 . He said he wants global emissions to be the number one subject at the G20 . The invasion of the Ukraine could be discussed as a side issue. People getting murdered by Russian insurgents is a side issue for the UN . What's coming out of factory chimneys is much more important than woman and children being slaughtered on the streets in Ukraine . Banki Moon is trying to shield Putin from any Ukraine discussions on the G20 floor . Does anyone need more proof that the UN is run by Russia and China for Russia and China .


I would like to see this supposed information that states people are being murdered by Russian insurgents?
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Post by 1290 » 19 Nov 2014, 11:36 am

Australia was one of the SPONSORS of the ATT.... we as a nation already have significant control placed on imports and exports of arms; we have NO business jumping on the trojan horse of a GLOBAL law..... disarmament painted in this treaty as an end to global violence and war etc....

Interestingly the only Nations that voted against the treaty..... were the three Nations left on the list, and there is a list, that are 'due' for 'democratisation' AKA installation of a puppet, a 'central' bank, and pillaging of resources....

1 Syria (work in progress, a couple of hiccoughs)
2 Iran (watch this space)
3 North Korea (they'll get to you Kim...)

plus 22 abstentions. In other words this global democracy has placed upon 25 nations a law that neither their constituents nor their (elected or otherwise) representative agreed to.... think about that for a second, YAY for globalism / globilisation / global governance, however they call it this week, I call it usurpation of not only ours, but everyone's sovereignty.
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Post by pajamatime » 19 Nov 2014, 12:33 pm

1290 wrote:Australia was one of the SPONSORS of the ATT.... we as a nation already have significant control placed on imports and exports of arms; we have NO business jumping on the trojan horse of a GLOBAL law..... disarmament painted in this treaty as an end to global violence and war etc....

Interestingly the only Nations that voted against the treaty..... were the three Nations left on the list, and there is a list, that are 'due' for 'democratisation' AKA installation of a puppet, a 'central' bank, and pillaging of resources....

1 Syria (work in progress, a couple of hiccoughs)
2 Iran (watch this space)
3 North Korea (they'll get to you Kim...)

plus 22 abstentions. In other words this global democracy has placed upon 25 nations a law that neither their constituents nor their (elected or otherwise) representative agreed to.... think about that for a second, YAY for globalism / globilisation / global governance, however they call it this week, I call it usurpation of not only ours, but everyone's sovereignty.


what is not so certain though is the ''End Game'' result...who and or what gains from a complete enslavement and control of the human race? and what are they going to do with it?
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Re: UN Declares Arms Trade Treaty to Go Into Effect Dec. 24

Post by horter » 20 Nov 2014, 7:50 am

Sit on their pile of money.
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Post by pajamatime » 23 Nov 2014, 9:53 am

horter wrote:Sit on their pile of money.

the Universe is a pretty big place....they must be bored out of their brains lol
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Post by Jack V » 23 Nov 2014, 10:12 am

I'm not 100% sure what the end game is all I know is the UN is NOT our friend and never will be while Russia , China and a host of human rights abusers run it .

Did you see that scum bag Banki Moon criticising Julie Bishop because she will not bow down to his doctrine . If we got rid of the UN and went back to just using treaties between countries we would be far better off.

Without these back stabbing manipulators between us and our allies things would get done and stay done .
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Post by horter » 24 Nov 2014, 9:52 am

pajamatime wrote:the Universe is a pretty big place....they must be bored out of their brains lol


That implies they have something on their mind other than money though.

I don't think half of them can think of anything else.
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Post by 1290 » 24 Nov 2014, 10:08 am

horter wrote:
pajamatime wrote:the Universe is a pretty big place....they must be bored out of their brains lol


That implies they have something on their mind other than money though.

I don't think half of them can think of anything else.


hahahaha
They even made a movie once describing this exact situation and consideration...

These people/groups/families presently have so much wealth, that they dont even know how much they have. When it was estimated a century ago it was in the many Billions of dollars..... presently? what comes after Trillions?? They dont even list them in the 'Rich list' any more...

They control the banks, all industry, all corporations through a group of holding companies that merge back at the same place (every single listed company, including in Aus) is controlled by these families.

All media, all publishing, all news agencies, judiciaries, education.... it never ends...

Once all the wealth is amassed, then each and every bit of wealth and property of the individuals is next, look at all the treaties, environmental to impose regulation and taxation, the current TPP negotiations that we dont even know how bad they are for the people as yet (highly secretive except for some disturbing -wiki-leaks). All the resources of all that nations, then the nations themselves... how? look at the third world where billions of dollars of loads that we all know cant be paid back by poor/failed stated; collateral is what? the only thing left, once all the utilities and property and wealth reserves are gone, the resources and the land....

The World Is Not Enough - was the movie title....
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Post by bluerob » 24 Nov 2014, 10:58 am

This is why it's important that support the Shooters & Fishers Party - the only wall stopping us losing our firearms.
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Post by Fujix » 24 Nov 2014, 1:51 pm

That's a little wall for a big flood though :(
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