What does joining the Shooters and Fishers party get me?

[wayward]

I found my way to the S&F party website via an ad about joining them.

$30 a year to become a member. And what?

There website isn't great so maybe it's just a lack of information (or I couldn't find it?) but as far as I can see you pay your $30 to be a member and that's it.

It's not needed for your license, there is no insurance like SSAA membership... Anything else?

Is it just a donation dressed up as a "membership"? If it is that's fine, just feeling like it could be clearer as nothing about it makes me want to "join".

[Westy]

About $30-00 less to spend at the Pub

[Chronos]

I guess you get to support a political party that has your interests at heart hunting, fishing, access to public land.

I joined at the Sydney shot show in 2012, paid my $30 + a $20 donation to round it out to $50. I received a membership card and declaration of membership of a political party form, nothing else. Not even a reminder or invitation to rejoin the next year not this year. Seems like poor membership/database management to me. They certainly didn't get the next 2 $50 cheques from me. Of course I could have and should have found a way to rejoin but didn't.

Chronos

[1290]

A sticker?
An expensive sticker if you even get one...

[wayward]

I guess you get to support a political party that has your interests at heart hunting, fishing, access to public land.

I don't mind that, just like to know what I'm paying for.

The way it's put forward is anything but clear at the moment.

Pay for this mystery membership that comes with knows what... Or nothing... Or a sticker... Or...

[bluerob]

I'm not a member of the S&F party as yet, but, I'll be voting for them. I might join eventually, having never been a member of a political party.

S&F Party is probably struggling to raise funds (unlike the major parties who have some very supportive individuals hiding in the dark) to maintain a strong media presence. Advertising on prime TV is akin to buying a house in Sydney.

From what I see and read, these are the only elected politicians who will support us in not losing our firearms, unlike the other parties, so, they will be getting my vote.

[Noisydad]

I think it's not about what you get for your money, it's what you can do for them, yourself and all other like minded people. Our membership makes up (actual) numbers (unlike GCA) and builds finances which means effective clout. Don't think gor a moment tbat ANY of tbe main parties will stand up for us - they will do what ever it takes to win the city vote.

[BBJ]

S&F Party is probably struggling to raise funds

Seeing Wayward's point could help with that.

The 'Join The Party' page on the S&F website just says this:

It's critical that S&F maintains its representation through direct membership. Membership is not expensive, and your membership is private unless you consent to disclosure.

That's the whole page then it just asks for $30 a year. They might do good things for our sport and industry but that's not exactly an outstanding sales pitch you'd have to say.

[Lonegunman]

What it gets you is a bunch of folk whose sole mission is to ensure that you get to continue to shoot, fish, bowhunt, 4X4 etc by lobbying and defending your rights and opposing the proposed legislative changes of the Greens and any number of other people and parties that want to end hunting, shooting, gun ownership and everything else we hold dear. If you think $30 is too much to contribute to ongoing efforts to preserve your rights and your activities...well, maybe you're one of the tens of thousands of people who get by on the hard work and commitment of others?

Maybe you don't need to be a member to get a hunting licence, but it was Shooters & Fishers who one you the right to hunt on public land.
Maybe you don't get insurance, but it was Shooters and Fishers who one you the right to hunt on public land where you need the insurance.
It was Shooters and Fishers that lobbied to soften the worst of Howard's any gun legislation.
It is Shooters and Fishers that opposes the marine parks being established everywhere, preventing you for dropping a line in the water.
It was Shooters and Fishers that established Game Council and although it nolonger exists, its model is the same one being used by the DPI today.
It is Shooters and Fishers through its Bowhunting Branch (FAB) that is opposing the Greens attempt to regulate or even ban compound bows and the sale and ownership of arrows etc in NSW.
It is Shooters and Fishers that opposed draconian ammunition regulation plans in NSW.

If you can still hunt and shoot etc in a years time, it will be despite the Greens and the antis efforts in Parliament to ban hunting and shooting and it will be the Shooters and Fishers Party that opposes their legislative changes that wins you the right to continue with your sport while complaining that $30 a year is too great a price to pay.

And they do all this even if you decide you'd rather sponge off everyone else than contribute to the fighting fund.

[BBJ]

Maybe you should write their website for them instead lonegunman

[wayward]

If you think $30 is too much to contribute to ongoing efforts to preserve your rights and your activities...well, maybe you're one of the tens of thousands of people who get by on the hard work and commitment of others?

When you're done up there on your soap box read my post again.

I said making a donation was fine and I was happy to do that, my point was it wasn't clear what membership was about.

[Jack V]

It is a personal choice to join any Political Party and the SFP are our own party so if you feel the need by all means join up .

[Lonegunman]

When you're done up there on your soap box read my post again.

Oh I read your post, don't worry. I'm just stunned that anyone who is of sufficient years to own a gun doesn't know what a political party is. Your immediate whinge was "what's in it for me....what do I get?" Typical of the Australian spirit these days. The question that needs to be asked is "what can I give to the cause...what can I do to help"....the essence of the Australian spirit that's all but dead and buried.

Yes, SSAA membership affords you insurance as a bonus, but if your shooting rights are lost, much good the insurance will do you. And what is $30 a year...a packet of cigarettes is it?

Frankly, I'm stunned that anyone could visit the S&FP website and claim to not know what they're striving to accomplish. The site is chockers with information about objectives and present threats. I can only assume that what you really mean is, when you visit the site you can't find anything about what you "get" for your $30 i.e. freebies, insurances, a sew-on cloth patch, maybe a free stubby holder and a keyring.

S&FP is a political party. What you get is representation at the highest levels and a voice in places where no one else can express your concerns and press your interests with gravitas. What you get for your $30 is a staff working flat out to ensure that you get to keep doing what you love to do. You get people opposing the abolitionists in a way the SSAA won't do. You get people influencing policy on your behalf and advocates who will take up your cause when/if you are the victim of some injustice or-other.

In short you get thousands of dollars worth of services from them every year, and they ask you to consider contributing $30 p.a. so they can keep working for you.

[mausermate]

Tend to agree with Lonegunman a bit here.
Maybe the question could be "what do they spend my $30 on?"
doubt it's wages!

[Westy]

What it gets you is a bunch of folk whose sole mission is to ensure that you get to continue to shoot, fish, bowhunt, 4X4 etc by lobbying and defending your rights and opposing the proposed legislative changes of the Greens and any number of other people and parties that want to end hunting, shooting, gun ownership and everything else we hold dear. If you think $30 is too much to contribute to ongoing efforts to preserve your rights and your activities...well, maybe you're one of the tens of thousands of people who get by on the hard work and commitment of others?

Maybe you don't need to be a member to get a hunting licence, but it was Shooters & Fishers who one you the right to hunt on public land.
Maybe you don't get insurance, but it was Shooters and Fishers who one you the right to hunt on public land where you need the insurance.
It was Shooters and Fishers that lobbied to soften the worst of Howard's any gun legislation.
It is Shooters and Fishers that opposes the marine parks being established everywhere, preventing you for dropping a line in the water.
It was Shooters and Fishers that established Game Council and although it nolonger exists, its model is the same one being used by the DPI today.
It is Shooters and Fishers through its Bowhunting Branch (FAB) that is opposing the Greens attempt to regulate or even ban compound bows and the sale and ownership of arrows etc in NSW.
It is Shooters and Fishers that opposed draconian ammunition regulation plans in NSW.

If you can still hunt and shoot etc in a years time, it will be despite the Greens and the antis efforts in Parliament to ban hunting and shooting and it will be the Shooters and Fishers Party that opposes their legislative changes that wins you the right to continue with your sport while complaining that $30 a year is too great a price to pay.

And they do all this even if you decide you'd rather sponge off everyone else than contribute to the fighting fund.

WANK WANK all Piss and Wind!!!!!!

[Harper]

Maybe the question could be "what do they spend my $30 on?"

That would be the stuff to put on the website to entice members

[Lonegunman]

WANK WANK all Piss and Wind!!!!!!

Well there's an eloquent rebuttal if ever there was one. Inarticulate abuse and profanity in the "'cause I reckon so" style, bravo!

Among other initiatives outlined on the website, the S&FP is striving to roll back the failed ammo Bill and also have the right to hunt and fish enshrined in Law through the Bill to recognise these activities as fundamental rights for the well being of society. The Party responds regularly to negative media that strives to portray hunters and shooters and rednecks in order to sway public opinion to view hunting and fishing as irresponsible, cruel activities that should be ended. They also respond to attempts to ban the shooting sports altogether and have bows classified as deadly/prohibited weapons. And of course they introduced a facilities development grants program that benefits clubs, just to name some of the stuff I for one am happy to contribute a lousy $30 a year towards.

You're correct Mausermate, they don't spend it all on wages, but they do spend it on campaigns and operating expenses, none of which is cheap in an election year. Of course they're doing it particularly tough since the SSAA dogged on them by withdrawing the contribution they'd promised to make to the fighting fund the moment they managed to snag national parks hunting (such as it is) for the elite among their membership instead of standing firm with all the organisations that were holding out for equitable access and participation.

But yeah, I know, Westy, it's all WANK WANK Piss and Wind.

[huccl]

Among other initiatives outlined on the website, the S&FP is striving to roll back the failed ammo Bill

Everyone will be happy to see that go.

[Downunder]

They preference labor, not a hope.

[bigrich]

They preference labor, not a hope.

they preference labor no way will they get my vote then

modern labor party = socialism

their not unionists and working class anymore , uni educated leftists line their upper ranks . or just stooges like palace-chook in QLD , or danger dan in VIC ,who does deals with the PRC against the national interest

[Bugman]

IF they did preference Labor then they would also be inadvertently aligned with the Greens as, apparently, they also favour Labor with their preferences. What an evil triangle that would be for us honest firearm owners. Hope I am wrong here.

[disco stu]

I think it was the last nsw ejection that liberal party was spreading the lite that they preference labor, it was obviously a lie as there are no preferences in nsw elections.

Not sure if this is where the idea comes from that they preference labor. Nsw rep is in my club, can pass along his email address if anyone wants to ask anything direct

[on_one_wheel]

Whats it get you? ... Lots of spam emails, but someone's got to pay the boy's club

[Communism_Is_Cancer]

It's a political party so it gives you membership of that party and the ability to attend party meetings and discuss policies and potentially be a candidate.

[deye243]

They preference labor, not a hope.

they preference labor no way will they get my vote then

modern labor party = socialism

their not unionists and working class anymore , uni educated leftists line their upper ranks . or just stooges like palace-chook in QLD , or danger dan in VIC ,who does deals with the PRC against the national interest

I think you meant CCP

[duncan61]

In W.A. we have Rick Mazza who has been around since 2013 and I voted for him.He is a voice of reason in a political world.Not sure where the Labor affiiation is.He has been instrumental in protecting LAFO in a time when city folk wish to ban all firearms to curb bikie gangs not realising banning firearms will not do jack to organised crime.Maintaining back burning as bush fire prevention in a time where city people think its a bad thing and its all about climate myths.Opening the border for shearers to do the shearing season or it just will not get done.Real things of this nature.Opposing building a massive port in Cockburn sound that will damage miles of breeding ground for pink snapper and building better roads to sort the traffic issues at existing Fremantle port.Someone real

[duncan61]

Bushfire-mitigation-policies-must-remain.pdf

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Whats this worth in the delusional world we live in when some humans actualy believe its CO2

[bigrich]

They preference labor, not a hope.

they preference labor no way will they get my vote then

modern labor party = socialism

their not unionists and working class anymore , uni educated leftists line their upper ranks . or just stooges like palace-chook in QLD , or danger dan in VIC ,who does deals with the PRC against the national interest

I think you meant CCP

Peoples Republic of China

[bigrich]

In W.A. we have Rick Mazza who has been around since 2013 and I voted for him.He is a voice of reason in a political world.Not sure where the Labor affiiation is.He has been instrumental in protecting LAFO in a time when city folk wish to ban all firearms to curb bikie gangs not realising banning firearms will not do jack to organised crime.Maintaining back burning as bush fire prevention in a time where city people think its a bad thing and its all about climate myths.Opening the border for shearers to do the shearing season or it just will not get done.Real things of this nature.Opposing building a massive port in Cockburn sound that will damage miles of breeding ground for pink snapper and building better roads to sort the traffic issues at existing Fremantle port.Someone real

well rick mazza is a rare individual in politics

[deye243]

They preference labor, not a hope.

they preference labor no way will they get my vote then

modern labor party = socialism

their not unionists and working class anymore , uni educated leftists line their upper ranks . or just stooges like palace-chook in QLD , or danger dan in VIC ,who does deals with the PRC against the national interest

I think you meant CCP

Peoples Republic of China

This is not a personal dig at you but People's Republic one of the most laughable things I've heard about China in a long time CCP the Chinese communist party who run that joint with an Iron Fist worse than Russia