Shooting accident at Little River

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Re: Shooting accident at Little River

Post by petemacsydney » 01 Jan 2015, 6:22 pm

cavok wrote:
1886 wrote:
ex_reven wrote:
1886 wrote:Interesting.

Are there any actual EMPLOYEES being paid a wage at this range ?

If not, how can it be a workplace.


WHS/OHS applies everywhere.
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OK Cavok has answered the question in the affirmative as there are employees present but it still seems a bit odd they are involved in a sporting situation that didn't involve an employee.

But are you sure it applies everywhere as not every range or sport has employees, only volunteers etc and its a sport not your occupation.

Otherwise, every accident in every sport would require investigation by OHS and surely that doesn't happen in NSW.

Our Occupational Safety and Heath Act is precisely that. It only applies to work environments.


From very reliable range information, the person injured was a friend of the shooter who was participating in the rifle shooting, sitting I am advised and he sat behind the shooter, a ricocheted. Not an employee or other paid person, just an unfortunate spectator, who from all counts is very with a bruise to the stomach area, the round DID NOT penetrate. The incident was handled by the manager and his organisation of trained personnel who dealt with the incident etc.


the bullet rico'd backwards?
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Re: Shooting accident at Little River

Post by Westy » 01 Jan 2015, 6:36 pm

petemacsydney wrote:
cavok wrote:
1886 wrote:
ex_reven wrote:
1886 wrote:Interesting.

Are there any actual EMPLOYEES being paid a wage at this range ?

If not, how can it be a workplace.


WHS/OHS applies everywhere.
.............................................................

OK Cavok has answered the question in the affirmative as there are employees present but it still seems a bit odd they are involved in a sporting situation that didn't involve an employee.

But are you sure it applies everywhere as not every range or sport has employees, only volunteers etc and its a sport not your occupation.

Otherwise, every accident in every sport would require investigation by OHS and surely that doesn't happen in NSW.

Our Occupational Safety and Heath Act is precisely that. It only applies to work environments.


From very reliable range information, the person injured was a friend of the shooter who was participating in the rifle shooting, sitting I am advised and he sat behind the shooter, a ricocheted. Not an employee or other paid person, just an unfortunate spectator, who from all counts is very with a bruise to the stomach area, the round DID NOT penetrate. The incident was handled by the manager and his organisation of trained personnel who dealt with the incident etc.


the bullet rico'd backwards?

It happens , normally when concrete or steel ar involved!!!!
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Re: Shooting accident at Little River

Post by Westy » 01 Jan 2015, 6:36 pm

petemacsydney wrote:
cavok wrote:
1886 wrote:
ex_reven wrote:
1886 wrote:Interesting.

Are there any actual EMPLOYEES being paid a wage at this range ?

If not, how can it be a workplace.


WHS/OHS applies everywhere.
.............................................................

OK Cavok has answered the question in the affirmative as there are employees present but it still seems a bit odd they are involved in a sporting situation that didn't involve an employee.

But are you sure it applies everywhere as not every range or sport has employees, only volunteers etc and its a sport not your occupation.

Otherwise, every accident in every sport would require investigation by OHS and surely that doesn't happen in NSW.

Our Occupational Safety and Heath Act is precisely that. It only applies to work environments.


From very reliable range information, the person injured was a friend of the shooter who was participating in the rifle shooting, sitting I am advised and he sat behind the shooter, a ricocheted. Not an employee or other paid person, just an unfortunate spectator, who from all counts is very with a bruise to the stomach area, the round DID NOT penetrate. The incident was handled by the manager and his organisation of trained personnel who dealt with the incident etc.


the bullet rico'd backwards?

It happens , normally when concrete or steel ar involved!!!!
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Re: Shooting accident at Little River

Post by petemacsydney » 01 Jan 2015, 6:38 pm

so does anyone have a detailed descript of wot happened?
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Re: Shooting accident at Little River

Post by cavok » 01 Jan 2015, 6:42 pm

Having been involved in shooting for some days, lol.
When shooting steel plates, or large steel targets, we use a minimum distance for engaging the steel, 9 metres. Many times spectators or fellow shooters are struck by pieces of the projectile as it strikes the steel, much the same as hitting concrete. I have many a bruise and even times when the skin was broken, all from splatter from the projectile, many shooters have, it hurts, THANK God for safety glasses, quickly one learns why we use them.
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Re: Shooting accident at Little River

Post by ex_reven » 01 Jan 2015, 7:15 pm

Have been on the receiving end of target splatter.
Had a steel plate out at 100m for guys to shoot rifle (was only put out with the intention of smaller calibres) another visitor fired a 22-250 at the plate.
I was standing about 15m to the right of the shooter and copped half the jacket in the ribs as part of it came back. Left a small welt and that was about it.

Pistol shooters encounter the same thing (especially IPSC), but generally you never get anything coming back with sufficient velocity to do any damage so long as you are wearing eye protection. Generally for rifle shooting if the plate is angled correctly you can control any ricochets to end up in the ground.
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Re: Shooting accident at Little River

Post by anthillinside » 01 Jan 2015, 7:19 pm

petemacsydney wrote:so does anyone have a detailed descript of wot happened?

Um ... Wait for the OHS Report :oops:
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Re: Shooting accident at Little River

Post by veep » 02 Jan 2015, 11:08 am

1886 wrote:Are there any actual EMPLOYEES being paid a wage at this range ?

If not, how can it be a workplace.


There are a few girls in the shop that do the sign and sell ammo and bits and pieces.

Same ones every single time so I'm 99% sure they're employed there.

Never spoke to the RO's about their exact status there so not sure about them.
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Re: Shooting accident at Little River

Post by veep » 02 Jan 2015, 11:09 am

ex_reven wrote:Generally for rifle shooting if the plate is angled correctly you can control any ricochets to end up in the ground.


At little river I know if you're shooting steel targets they have to be swinging or angled for this reason.

Maybe a fixed forward facing one slipped through un noticed.
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Re: Shooting accident at Little River

Post by anthillinside » 02 Jan 2015, 8:40 pm

Eagle Park Update

Dear subscriber
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>> Victoria Police and Worksafe Victoria have conducted an investigation in to the incident at Eagle Park where a shooter was struck by a ricochet causing a minor injury.
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>> There is no clear conclusion as to how the ricochet occurred or what the projectile was.
As a precaution swinging targets are not approved between 0m and 300m until we seek clarification of the standards.
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>> Both Police and Worksafe have deemed the range safe and Police have lifted the closure notice. The range will re-open for business on Friday 2nd January. SSAA Vic will de-brief into the incident early next week specifically focusing on the post incident response. Police will attend the de-brief.
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Re: Shooting accident at Little River

Post by scrolllock » 03 Jan 2015, 1:43 pm

300m :(

So much for some freehand practice then.
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