Greens claim foul in Senate guns report

[Bourt]

Who didn't see this coming

A war of words has broken out over a Senate inquiry report into gun-related violence, with the coalition and the Greens both claiming the majority view.

The inquiry found wide variations in the available information from state, territory and federal police and other agencies.

But that was the only point of agreement with the Greens accusing a majority of senators participating in the inquiry of kowtowing to the gun lobby after they found that most illegal guns did not originate from licensed firearm owners.

Greens senator Penny Wright, who chaired the inquiry, claimed she and three Labor members signed off the committee's majority report.

But Nationals senator Bridget McKenzie also claimed majority status for a separate report, even though she and Liberal Democrat David Leyonhjelm were technically non-voting members of the inquiry.

Senator Wright said the inquiry was highly politicised from the outset, and the McKenzie group was not willing to sign up to the reasonable and considered recommendations of other senators.

"There has been a concerted campaign to generate submissions from gun owners and advocates of the industry," she told ABC radio on Friday.

Senator McKenzie, proudly proclaiming sporting shooter status, said her report reflected the view of senators who were more engaged in the inquiry.

The Greens were polarising the debate around gun laws by pandering to their political base, she said.

Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/0 ... IbeOKHP.99

[on_one_wheel]

A massive woftam

[Baldrick314]

There has been a concerted campaign to generate submissions from gun owners and advocates of the industry

You mean people your legislation changes would affect? Did you expect to be the only people to get a say? What a bunch of morons

[tom604]

http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news ... Shsanqye5R

leave a comment mines waiting on the mods

[bigfellascott]

I'm glad they feel hard done by, now they know how we often feel

[on_one_wheel]

http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/law-crime/2015/04/11/leyonhjelm-and-gun-lobby-hijack-senate-inquiry/14286744001744#.VShsanqye5R

leave a comment mines waiting on the mods

Done ... looks like plenty of others agree, that article stinks as if the greens had written it, pathetic.

edit .. I had to go back and read it for a secon second time. I cand beleve just how bias someone can be while " reporting " the "news", she and that numnut from the Nt News who recently wrote that "hunters are psychopaths ""might get a job on The Project with those other new aged ideological freaks.

[KWhorenet]

They do live in lala land it seems. This from her own webpage http://penny-wright.greensmps.org.au/co ... ational-pa

"Greens spokesperson for Legal Affairs, Senator Penny Wright, said strengthening uniform gun laws would help increase public safety. How?

"We need to take steps to restrict gun crime and limit the number of guns available on the legal market. This will increase public safety, which is in the interests of all Australians, and the Australian Greens are calling on the Attorney-General to take the lead on this issue." Does she think you can buy a registered firearm on Gumtree or trading post or the boot of a car?

"As part of this reform, a ban on semi automatic hand guns should be considered.

"The Federal Government needs to follow in the footsteps of the good work started by the Howard Government to ensure we are going forwards, not backwards on the important issue of gun control."

Greens Senator for NSW Lee Rhiannon said:

"Gun culture is gaining a hold in NSW, for example with the number of registered handguns increasing by 24% over just six years and a spate of recent shootings. OMFG !

"Premier O'Farrell's deal with the Shooters Party to let recreational shooters into national parks opens the door to more permissive and illegal firearm use in NSW."


These people should be psych tested. They are not fit and proper people to infect/affect the general populous. It's not gun control but crime in general, they are missing the point.

[North East]

Don't worry about it....shut keep shooting.

[David Brown]

We don't need gun control…….someone should have a senate inquiry into MORON CONTROL.

I am sure you have all heard at some point in life that the world is made up of Protons, Neutrons and Electrons. Well it works like this, the world is 1% protons, 1% neutrons, 1% electrons and 97% morons.

I rest my case….

[anthillinside]

We don't need gun control…….someone should have a senate inquiry into MORON CONTROL.

I am sure you have all heard at some point in life that the world is made up of Protons, Neutrons and Electrons. Well it works like this, the world is 1% protons, 1% neutrons, 1% electrons and 97% morons.

I rest my case….

[Arth]

I'm glad they feel hard done by, now they know how we often feel

I f***ing love it!

They start the thing to screw us over and it blows up in their face.

[bigfellascott]

I'm glad they feel hard done by, now they know how we often feel

I f***ing love it!

They start the thing to screw us over and it blows up in their face.

I love it when they fail - they constantly try and make us out to be the bad guys in all this but this time it failed spectacularly, I see the press is trying their hardest to put a negative spin on the outcome of this enquiry, not surprising at all with their bias towards the greens and any firearms stance, at least its on the official record now stating we aren't the problem, maybe now they can start dealing with the truth as it stands and leave us alone (highly doubt it but one can only dream) sadly we will always continue to be the political scapegoat when its needed to misdirect peoples attention from the real problems we face in society.

[dhv]

The greens got it wrong this time, they will learn from that and wont make the same mistake again, but they will keep trying.

[SendIt]

I claim the Greens to be morons.

[anthillinside]

The Greens haven't really had an opposition before, they’ve just been able to blackmail with “balance of power”
Now they have a fight with SFP and a few other independent senators for that “balance of power” position.
I think we might have picked up another one with the downfall of Clive Palmer.
Ricky Muir has been out shooting with Jeff Bourman
I haven’t been impressed with Ricky Muir but I’ll let him prove himself.

[The Brass]

Even if he's not with us yet, at least you can say he's not against us.

One more possible recruit

[Newdave]

Say what you want about the greens but looks like they have won. Just spoke to my local gunshop owner and he confirmed he was in contact with the SFP and was told the NSW government is seriously considering recategorising levers and pumps as well as a number of other changes to firearms laws. The government won't even give the SFP the source of the recomendations or the justifications for them. It's pritty unbelievable.

[1290]

The licence categories are defined within the Firearm Act; a change is significant and would require a Bill and the associated parliamenart debate.....they cant just change the cats over night.

[trekin]

Say what you want about the greens but looks like they have won. Just spoke to my local gunshop owner and he confirmed he was in contact with the SFP and was told the NSW government is seriously considering recategorising levers and pumps as well as a number of other changes to firearms laws. The government won't even give the SFP the source of the recomendations or the justifications for them. It's pritty unbelievable.

Smells like Chinese, sounds like whispers. One would think that if there were any truth that this was coming about, then the Media and the Greens, and the Greens in the Media, would crowing about it like there's no tomorrow. Now I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but if this is SFP's way of increasing membership, then I thinks their going about it the wrong way.

[chacka]

I think the greens would have a parade if they got that through.

[brett1868]

Say what you want about the greens but looks like they have won. Just spoke to my local gunshop owner and he confirmed he was in contact with the SFP and was told the NSW government is seriously considering recategorising levers and pumps as well as a number of other changes to firearms laws. The government won't even give the SFP the source of the recomendations or the justifications for them. It's pritty unbelievable.

At this point in time nothing will happen in the reclassification of certain firearms from Cat. B to Cat C. The SFP are guilty of a bit of scare mongering I suspect to increase their profile within the shooting public. I suspect you received this information from an older, rounder, shorter gentleman from a gun shop in Sydney's outer west or one of his colleagues as I got the same line a few weeks back about the police doing unannounced storage inspections. It's always a friend of a friend or a mates cousin that it happened to and I've yet to find a first hand report of this sort of inspection.
I possibly have the most to lose of all members on this forum if this change in legislation actually happens, which it won't. I raised this rumor in a call to the F.A.R this morning when discussing some other business and they haven't heard anything as yet. They're generally the last to know anyway so I can't put much weight on if it'll happen or not based on the F.A.R's knowledge of the matter.
I'm not worried by all this noise, been hearing similar things for the past few years and nothing happens. Mailed off a bunch of PTA's this morning and think I'll use one for another lever action...

[Newdave]

I hope your right mate. The SFP on their Victorian page have stated much the same thing. Saying they have documents and are in discussion with the government. They seem to be taking it pritty serious. Hopefully it's just a storm in a tea cup.

[trekin]

I hope your right mate. The SFP on their Victorian page have stated much the same thing. Saying they have documents and are in discussion with the government. They seem to be taking it pritty serious. Hopefully it's just a storm in a tea cup.

Funny thing is, there is no mention of this issue on the SFP's website, and the SF Vic's Facebook page makes no mention of documentation. Do you have a link?? Again, Chinese + whispers, and if this a their way of increasing membership, me thinks the outcome will be bite marks on the arse.

[Newdave]

Read the comments on the SFP Vic page. The SFP moderator responded to a comment by someone suggesting just as you have that it was just rumour. They replied saying they have some documents including the recomendations and are in discussion with the gov about them.

[anthillinside]

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4231
SFP raising the issue already, lets hope they can keep some pressure on, in other states and federal as well

[deye243]

so why is there no sfp vic site just a nsw one

[anthillinside]

It's faceplant https://www.facebook.com/SFPVIC
There not very web savy I think and still a bit disjointed between states, but it's early days yet.
They weren't even a registered party in Vic before the last election.