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Re: And there's more.....

Post by bigfellascott » 26 Jun 2015, 11:47 am

Wylie27 wrote:My bad. Should have said I am a member of the SFP.

I think while our politicians are fighting inside our national sporting body should fighting on the outside!

This is really effing annoying and I don't want a shotgun!


Sadly the SSAA are fighting with the S&F Party and lets face it they SSAA aren't really into fighting for our rights, they are more interested in protecting the Cash Cows they have now - they seem to generally go along with what the G'vt of the day tells them too.

That's why I gave up my SSAA membership and now that money has been directed to the S&F Party as they have their foot in the door and have a better chance of fighting for us there I believe.

Nothing against the old club I was a member of, just don't like the way Management have behaved over the last few years at a State/National level - I can't support people like that I'm afraid. :thumbsup:
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Post by Wylie27 » 26 Jun 2015, 11:54 am

Which is why we need a national nra style body that will fight for us..

United front with the political party
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Post by bigfellascott » 26 Jun 2015, 11:58 am

Wylie27 wrote:Which is why we need a national nra style body that will fight for us..

United front with the political party


Yeah maybe Willy, or we could just support the team that are already in Parliament doing the same as what you are proposing? :thumbsup:
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Post by Wylie27 » 26 Jun 2015, 12:09 pm

lol at willy.. I hope the was auto correct.

My thinking is this. We have a couple of members of the SFP in parliament doing good work. But they need to work with in a system and are few people in a large parliament

We need a lobby group that does what the SSAA should be doing. Protecting our interests and lobbying the other members of parliament that we are large and we have a voice. Be in the news on the front page. Talking down the greens. Taking our fight plead on.

This is not what the SSAA do. They hide, monitor and retreat.. 165000 members. How is this not being used?

You need a lobby group to support the political party! Do the work the party can't!
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Post by bigfellascott » 26 Jun 2015, 12:16 pm

Fair enough Willy - when are you starting the new group then?
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Post by Wylie27 » 26 Jun 2015, 12:42 pm

bigfellascott wrote:Fair enough Willy - when are you starting the new group then?


And right there is the apathy of the SSAA and shooters in general...

Let others do the work. Guess what Littlejohn that is the reason we are in this mess. Apathetic people like yourself..

I am happy to register a lobby group.. Would you join. Nope you will just continue to lube up and sook about it on Internet forums..
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Post by trekin » 27 Jun 2015, 6:07 am

Wylie27 wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:Fair enough Willy - when are you starting the new group then?


And right there is the apathy of the SSAA and shooters in general...

Let others do the work. Guess what Littlejohn that is the reason we are in this mess. Apathetic people like yourself..

I am happy to register a lobby group.. Would you join. Nope you will just continue to lube up and sook about it on Internet forums..

Amen to that, brother.
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Re: And there's more.....

Post by bigfellascott » 27 Jun 2015, 6:52 am

Wylie27 wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:Fair enough Willy - when are you starting the new group then?


And right there is the apathy of the SSAA and shooters in general...

Let others do the work. Guess what Littlejohn that is the reason we are in this mess. Apathetic people like yourself..

I am happy to register a lobby group.. Would you join. Nope you will just continue to lube up and sook about it on Internet forums..


Well you did say we need a NRA style group over here, so figured you'd put your money where ya mouth is, Was I wrong? :unknown: I guess you're just another windbag on a forum telling everyone what we need and then waiting for someone else to do it. :unknown:

By the way Wylie if you have a bit of a look around there are quite a few Pro Firearms Groups already in Aus, maybe just support one of them If you haven't already?

Me I've already chosen the "Lobby Group" I wish to support - that being the S&F Party. :thumbsup:
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Post by Wylie27 » 27 Jun 2015, 7:18 am

Mate I am happy to put my money where my mouth is

Like I asked would you join? I know what the answer is.... no. It's funny how you say I am the wind bag... Pot ... Kettle... You my friend are the one who does nothing other than whinge on forums..

So in the last 24 hours.

I have written to my state local member, my federal member, the minister for police, the police commissioner, the SFP and the SSAA both state and national.

I have also forwarded the SSAA press release to a couple of mainstream media friends and bloggers asking them to publish it.

Also downloaded information on starting a non profit organisation. Yep a blowhard who does nothing.......

So how about you put up or shut the f*** up...
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Post by bigfellascott » 27 Jun 2015, 7:31 am

Wylie27 wrote:Mate I am happy to put my money where my mouth is

Like I asked would you join? I know what the answer is.... no. It's funny how you say I am the wind bag... Pot ... Kettle... You my friend are the one who does nothing other than whinge on forums..

So in the last 24 hours.

I have written to my state local member, my federal member, the minister for police, the police commissioner, the SFP and the SSAA both state and national.

I have also forwarded the SSAA press release to a couple of mainstream media friends and bloggers asking them to publish it.

Also downloaded information on starting a non profit organisation. Yep a blowhard who does nothing.......

So how about you put up or shut the f*** up...


As I said earlier Wylie, I've already joined the S&F Party, I see no need to join anyone else to be honest. :thumbsup:

So how did all that writing go mate, get any response from any of them? If so who responded. They generally reply with the stock standard letter of response from my experience (sent plenty of letters, emails etc over the years and its generally a standard response they send out to everyone (friends have sent letters and just about word for word they are the same. :unknown: in other words f*** off we will do what we want when we want. :unknown:

The only real way to get a better deal for shooters is to have strong political representation in all states, only then will we get our voices heard, not much use grovelling like we do now, the power lies within the political sphere, not on the outside of it begging like some lap dog IMO :thumbsup:
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Post by Wylie27 » 27 Jun 2015, 7:53 am

bigfellascott wrote:
Wylie27 wrote:Mate I am happy to put my money where my mouth is

Like I asked would you join? I know what the answer is.... no. It's funny how you say I am the wind bag... Pot ... Kettle... You my friend are the one who does nothing other than whinge on forums..

So in the last 24 hours.

I have written to my state local member, my federal member, the minister for police, the police commissioner, the SFP and the SSAA both state and national.

I have also forwarded the SSAA press release to a couple of mainstream media friends and bloggers asking them to publish it.

Also downloaded information on starting a non profit organisation. Yep a blowhard who does nothing.......

So how about you put up or shut the f*** up...


As I said earlier Wylie, I've already joined the S&F Party, I see no need to join anyone else to be honest. :thumbsup:

So how did all that writing go mate, get any response from any of them? If so who responded.


Nothing as of yet but it usually will take a day or so... I would expect the usual guff.. Which is why we need a political body.

When they have taken everything from us and we are left with knives that have corks on the end. Please come back to these posts and make sure you think was there any more I personally could have done.

Or maybe I should take a leaf out of your book.. Do nothing..
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Post by bigfellascott » 27 Jun 2015, 8:08 am

Wylie27 wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:
Wylie27 wrote:Mate I am happy to put my money where my mouth is

Like I asked would you join? I know what the answer is.... no. It's funny how you say I am the wind bag... Pot ... Kettle... You my friend are the one who does nothing other than whinge on forums..

So in the last 24 hours.

I have written to my state local member, my federal member, the minister for police, the police commissioner, the SFP and the SSAA both state and national.

I have also forwarded the SSAA press release to a couple of mainstream media friends and bloggers asking them to publish it.

Also downloaded information on starting a non profit organisation. Yep a blowhard who does nothing.......

So how about you put up or shut the f*** up...


As I said earlier Wylie, I've already joined the S&F Party, I see no need to join anyone else to be honest. :thumbsup:

So how did all that writing go mate, get any response from any of them? If so who responded.


Nothing as of yet but it usually will take a day or so... I would expect the usual guff.. Which is why we need a political body.

When they have taken everything from us and we are left with knives that have corks on the end. Please come back to these posts and make sure you think was there any more I personally could have done.

Or maybe I should take a leaf out of your book.. Do nothing..


We already have a Political Body, its called the Shooters and Fishers Party - people should get behind them and not keep trying to dilute the voting pool - that way we might just get somewhere :thumbsup:
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Post by bluerob » 28 Jun 2015, 7:33 am

bigfellascott wrote:FOR THOSE WHO ACTUALLY WANT TO PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS

http://www.shootersandfishers.org.au/join-the-party


I did, plus donate $30 per month via direct debit, but, all I see is constant negative press about Mr Borsak (that photo of him and the elephant is wheeled out regularly, like the McGrath one will for eons to come).

Having harsh words in parliament is one thing, but, changing the public's perception needs that media trick of "constant positive reinforcement" which would cost a fair amount of money (TV advertising isn't cheap).

As I say, I fear that our numbers aren't there, in that, there might be 600,000 licensed individuals, but getting 600,000 to collectively think about one topic (keeping whats left of our rights) might be a difficult task.

Again, I acknowledge the work that's being done behind the scenes (whenever I receive a copy of the Amateur Pistol Association magazine, editorial always has news of a range having problems with FAR inspections or the work that the working committee has on hand with meetings etc), but, 600,000 people aren't being organised into a collective effort.

I really hope that I am wrong, but, I've see a lot of "elitist" type behaviour over the years, with divisions created, with the owning of firearms.That's the heart of our problems with lobby's etc.

Shot-gunners who aren't interested in pistol shooting don't particularly care for the future of pistol shooters, those who target shoot don't care about hunting and vice versa. I have seen and heard comments at the range. Who cares if you own a tactical rifle? See the look on some faces - more so the older one's (no offence meant, but, its true). As long as your safe and having fun, who cares what you shoot? Some people really get upset.

Having ALL firearms owners care about each other's (no group hugs needed) interest is whats needed.

I have no interest in shooting a .22 one handed for 5 shots over 5 mins, but, I don't want those people to lose their semi auto's. If they do, then rest assured that its the beginning of the end of firearms as we know it. Look at the changes forced on us over the years (I mean more restrictions, more permits and fees needed and loss of ranges).

Off to the range now.
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Re: And there's more.....

Post by Wylie27 » 28 Jun 2015, 6:57 pm

BFS. Was hungover when I wrote political party.

We have a political party I know. What I meant was a political support party. Eg a lobby group. Any hoo...
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Post by bigfellascott » 28 Jun 2015, 11:04 pm

Wylie27 wrote:BFS. Was hungover when I wrote political party.

We have a political party I know. What I meant was a political support party. Eg a lobby group. Any hoo...


No worries Wylie, there are a few diff groups out there already that do the lobbying side of things from my understanding, it wouldn't hurt if they were under one umbrella so to speak, but doubt it would happen. :unknown:
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Post by Title_II » 29 Jun 2015, 1:51 am

I was hung over AFTER the political party :)
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Post by David Brown » 29 Jun 2015, 8:34 am

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Post by Wobble » 29 Jun 2015, 10:00 am

Wylie27 wrote:Which is why we need a national nra style body that will fight for us..

United front with the political party


United is the key.

This business of people just arguing for their discipline and CBF with the rest really s**ts me.
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Post by Newdave » 29 Jun 2015, 1:49 pm

Apparently they are coming for straight pull bolt actions to . Makes you wonder what is really happening here. SFP just called out tony Abbott on there Facebook page. Once again everyone is focusing on the greens while the liberals nats and labor bend us over again. We will whinge in whine but do nothing and they will walk all over us . If this gets through how long do you think it will be before they take them all.
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Post by Title_II » 29 Jun 2015, 11:23 pm

Newdave wrote:Apparently they are coming for straight pull bolt actions to . Makes you wonder what is really happening here. SFP just called out tony Abbott on there Facebook page. Once again everyone is focusing on the greens while the liberals nats and labor bend us over again. We will whinge in whine but do nothing and they will walk all over us . If this gets through how long do you think it will be before they take them all.


You wonder what's really happening? You can't even defend your family. What's happening is a continuation of the same.
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Re: And there's more.....

Post by bluerob » 30 Jun 2015, 9:39 am

Wylie27 wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:Fair enough Willy - when are you starting the new group then?


And right there is the apathy of the SSAA and shooters in general...

Let others do the work. Guess what Littlejohn that is the reason we are in this mess. Apathetic people like yourself..

I am happy to register a lobby group.. Would you join. Nope you will just continue to lube up and sook about it on Internet forums..


I'm in. I've got plenty of time on my hands and would like to get more involved in getting our sport (hunting, target or collecting) looked upon as a legitimate sport.

Send me a PM with what your thoughts are.

I tried helping with S&F, but, after about 12 phone calls and a few emails, I got no response, despite them asking for volunteers.

At my local polling station, not a S&F person to be seen handing out paperwork. So, I voted Liberal Democratic Party and no longer send my monthly donation to S&F.

I live on the coast which has a lot of people fishing (tourists and locals). My locals aren't impressed with the S&F Party, so, they vote elsewhere also.

I'm not sure that the S&F has the right spokesperson working for them? Might be effective at having a debate, but, it's the minor gun groups (Amateur Pistol Assoc) doing a lot more than the SSAA from what I can see and hear from fellow range groupies.

Admittedly, I do shoot more pistol than rifle, but, I'm still a member of the SSAA and I just don't see enough action on their part.
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Post by Harts » 02 Jul 2015, 12:00 pm

Newdave wrote:Apparently they are coming for straight pull bolt actions to.


Lets call it what it is. They're coming for everything.

The mob that are trying to get lever actions reclassified... If that goes through they're not going to feel warm and fuzzy about a job well done and pack up and go home are they.

It's just top of the list as they try to incrementally try ban everything. It's all the same fight just from different angles.
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Post by 1290 » 02 Jul 2015, 12:22 pm

Harts wrote:
Newdave wrote:Apparently they are coming for straight pull bolt actions to.


Lets call it what it is. They're coming for everything.

The mob that are trying to get lever actions reclassified... If that goes through they're not going to feel warm and fuzzy about a job well done and pack up and go home are they.

It's just top of the list as they try to incrementally try ban everything. It's all the same fight just from different angles.



..... of course they are, these guys want a totally dis-armed populace, like the greentards, like want no guns, but will accept as a first step the removal of semi-auto handguns.

Its like Fabian (society) socialism (Juliar Gillard, Gough Whitlam etc etc); one step at a time, slowly but surely their goals will be achieved.

Before PAM these tards where itching for years to find a way to snatch the guns, then totally coincidentally :unknown: their was a mass shooting in the state that various individuals threatened would be the host of such an event... it created the impetus, along with the riding of a huge wave of media generated public sentiment) to sweep in the changes through a plan prepared earlier (NFA)

Note the gun-grabbers hero of the PAM laws, the one who liked to take credit for "saving thousands of lives" was Rebecca Peters.....it just so happens at the time she was sponsored before (and possibly up to this day) by a name possibly familiar to some; George Soros. He/his organisation(s) sponsored her trip to Australia 10 or 15 yrs before PAM... sow the seed so to speak. Of course after her work here was done she departed.
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