ADLER petition - EVERYONE SIGN THIS

[David Brown]

https://www.change.org/p/victoria-polic ... ion-letter


Sign this E petition now.

Get everyone you know to do the same.

This is a major gun grab and just like the USA, no new legislation is required, just tweak the specifications and hey presto!

Think about this, before long they could legitimately send all but single shot air rifles into CAT C or D and leave nothing behind. And don't say never, they will keep trying.

[trekin]

And there will be no buyback, just straight out confiscation!

[KWhorenet]

Done and forwarded to many. What's the chances of our added comments being published or used?

Who runs the petition?

12 so far have signed since I forwarded it on.

Edit
Make that 21!
Up to about 40 signed now.

Get into it!

[Baldrick314]

Signed, forwarded to friends. 6,000 odd people have signed it. Good support

[KWhorenet]

7159 signed.
54 have in my own notifications.

106 signed from my forwarded message and link.

Hope this has been the case with others making the effort to forward to all they can. Spread it like an STD at a B&S ball

[CatDog]

Just signed your petition re- Adler L/A 12 gauge, The majority of us gun owners shouldn't have to put up with knee jerk reactions by politicians, fuelled by the media / anti gun lobby. Here in W.A. It's pretty hard to obtain a firearms licence as it is, we don't want it to be made more difficult, I am assuming that I can still purchase an Adler L/A here in westoz, great forum.

[Sam45]

Done. OMG, They are simply IDIOTS!!!

[DML]

In my letters to the Vic Premier and the Police Minister, I stated that pump action shotguns should be placed in Category A, so that they fit with their 140+ year old lever action counterparts.

[mahna]

One more

[Newdave]

What is wrong with these people. Shooters Union are saying one of the recomendations is bolt actions with detachable magazines there go's all of my rifles. I don't get this . Are they just going this hard so we fold on the levers to keep the rest I don't know it's just gets worse and worse.

[DML]

The control-freak police minister and politicians think they're as fast as semi-autos, and so they want them categorised as such. Ok then, considering lever actions have been around for more than a century, I think it's about time Category C and D were merged with Category A and B, and we should also do away with Category H and merge that with Category B. Keep the eligibility for Category A and B the same though, and then we have a deal.

[1290]

The antis; that now officially includes the members of all mainstream political parties along with their antigunner lobby groups, will use this crap about the ADLER "Category C evading, semi Automatic lever action Shotgun" to get AS MUCH MILEAGE AS POSSIBLE.... all the cochroaches are CRAWLING OUT from under the crevices to STRIKE while the irons HOT!!!

SSAA, take some effing ACTION!!! more than sending an email 'suggesting' members email the pollies.....

I've signed the petition, but at the best of times these petitions achieve Jack Shiiite, unless of course it supports gay trans-sexual trans-gender, multi-trans racial pschologically deprived indigenous immigrant refugee rights to f*** with our established moral and social norms.....THEN it gets a look-in... FFS my childrens heads are being messed with at school with a curriculum thats demanding this environmental humanity comes AFTER the earth BS and diversity encoded in your existence ....... while at the same time no one deserve the right to defend themselves and families, forget that quaint concept of firearms for sport and/or recreation....aaaaaaah phoooey.

How much is an airfare to the 7th state.. you know, Nuuu zulund?? or perhaps Russia ... I wonder if its easier to learn Kiwi or Ruskie?? can you believe you can carry in RUSSIA... but not the land of opportunity... its just depressing.

[Jonesy]

Playing Devils Advocate......
Do you think having lever action Shotguns and guns like the Ruger Charger draw the attention of politicians and anti gun people?
I think it does, the few who want these style of Rifles and "Pistols" may do more damage to the majority of shooters in the long run.
Some members at my Club think the way some Ruger Chargers are modified to look like a .22 caliber AR15 does not help our cause with the mainstream.

Do we need lever action shotguns or will this sort of thing tighten the noose and take away some of the things we now have?

Just a thought.

[KWhorenet]

Playing Devils Advocate......
Do you think having lever action Shotguns and guns like the Ruger Charger draw the attention of politicians and anti gun people?
I think it does, the few who want these style of Rifles and "Pistols" may do more damage to the majority of shooters in the long run.
Some members at my Club think the way some Ruger Chargers are modified to look like a .22 caliber AR15 does not help our cause with the mainstream.

Do we need lever action shotguns or will this sort of thing tighten the noose and take away some of the things we now have?

Just a thought.

I just don't get what looks have to do with anything? Not having a go at you. The whole idea about guns looking dangerous. If a gun is in the street it is dangerous most likely.

If it is out hunting, or at the range, or at home...what the fcuk does it matter.

Dude walking down the street toting a baseball bat, double barrel shotty, single barrel bolt gun,
big black betty boop gun.

What's the damned difference.

A d**khead is a d**khead.

[Jonesy]

Playing Devils Advocate......
Do you think having lever action Shotguns and guns like the Ruger Charger draw the attention of politicians and anti gun people?
I think it does, the few who want these style of Rifles and "Pistols" may do more damage to the majority of shooters in the long run.
Some members at my Club think the way some Ruger Chargers are modified to look like a .22 caliber AR15 does not help our cause with the mainstream.

Do we need lever action shotguns or will this sort of thing tighten the noose and take away some of the things we now have?

Just a thought.

I just don't get what looks have to do with anything? Not having a go at you. The whole idea about guns looking dangerous. If a gun is in the street it is dangerous most likely.

If it is out hunting, or at the range, or at home...what the fcuk does it matter.

Dude walking down the street toting a baseball bat, double barrel shotty, single barrel bolt gun,
big black betty boop gun.

What's the damned difference.

A d**khead is a d**khead.[/

Why do you "need" a lever action shotgun?
I love this sport but I have met more than my fair share of D***heads and Rambos and nut jobs at my Club and often at my local gunshop.
This sport/hobby can be a d***head magnet it seems.

People that want to modify Auto Pistols to resemble and shoot like Auto Rifles are stretching the boundaries in my opinion.
That's great, its all legal until the authorities decide it is not and then all of the people that have no interest in Ruger Charger semi auto rifles and lever action shotguns get to lose what they have and maybe that will be a semi auto cat H license.

You can not see how people having "Pistols" like this may draw unwanted attention to our sport?

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/01/29/289587_01__22_ruger_charger_640.jpg

Pushing the boundaries all the time will see a crack down on everything in my opinion.

[Title_II]

Should I sign this from the States or not? I'm certainly willing to.

This is a major gun grab and just like the USA, no new legislation is required, just tweak the specifications and hey presto!

What did they do in the USA?

Playing Devils Advocate......
Do you think having lever action Shotguns and guns like the Ruger Charger draw the attention of politicians and anti gun people?
I think it does, the few who want these style of Rifles and "Pistols" may do more damage to the majority of shooters in the long run.
Some members at my Club think the way some Ruger Chargers are modified to look like a .22 caliber AR15 does not help our cause with the mainstream.

Do we need lever action shotguns or will this sort of thing tighten the noose and take away some of the things we now have?

Just a thought.

So the more you give away the more you get to keep? I don't think that's going to work. I also don't think that's going to convince them to stop.

[pajamatime]

when will we learn ? They are just going to keep taking our s**t until we work together as one undivided force. What the Australian public can't seem to get a handle on is we are all in the same boat and we are all loosing out here. It is a information war...where's our NRA? Where's our Alex Jones and Ron Paul? Our country is up s**ts creek 2. And we the people are being sold out! Hey that democratic liberal party could be our winning ticket? And if SSAA ain't got the balls to be Australia's NRA maybe we backed the wrong horse?

Just my 2 cents worth. Think positive. Know your enemy.

Edit: I noticed some of you guys are on a downer with this so I thought link would give you a healthy reminder that we can win and we are going places http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/0 ... -defeated/

Stick together and fight hard. Never doubt.

[trekin]

Playing Devils Advocate......
Do you think having lever action Shotguns and guns like the Ruger Charger draw the attention of politicians and anti gun people?
I think it does, the few who want these style of Rifles and "Pistols" may do more damage to the majority of shooters in the long run.
Some members at my Club think the way some Ruger Chargers are modified to look like a .22 caliber AR15 does not help our cause with the mainstream.

Do we need lever action shotguns or will this sort of thing tighten the noose and take away some of the things we now have?

Just a thought.

I just don't get what looks have to do with anything? Not having a go at you. The whole idea about guns looking dangerous. If a gun is in the street it is dangerous most likely.

If it is out hunting, or at the range, or at home...what the fcuk does it matter.

Dude walking down the street toting a baseball bat, double barrel shotty, single barrel bolt gun,
big black betty boop gun.

What's the damned difference.

A d**khead is a d**khead.[/

Why do you "need" a lever action shotgun?
I love this sport but I have met more than my fair share of D***heads and Rambos and nut jobs at my Club and often at my local gunshop.[color=#BF0000] So, you would rather push these people out of the only places where they can and will learn respect for, and the safe use of firearms. You say you love this sport, I say the only thing you love is the ego trip you get from the feeling of moral superiority over others because you have a firearms licence
This sport/hobby can be a d***head magnet it seems.It certainly seems so!

People that want to modify Auto Pistols to resemble and shoot like Auto Rifles are stretching the boundaries in my opinion.Here in QLD, one of the few jurisdictions that allow this, these are still a Cat H firearm and are subject to the same laws as any other Cat H. So, what you are saying is that in your opinion, these should be banned because they look different, and hang the fact that they will bring more people into shooting.
Personal opinions are fine, where the danger lies is allowing people with opinions like yours into top positions of the organizations supposingly supporting our sport, where those opinions become the opinions of that organization (look at SSAA QLD). Remember John Howard had his opinion on firearms, and look where that lead us,
That's great, its all legal until the authorities decide it is not and then all of the people that have no interest in Ruger Charger semi auto rifles and lever action shotguns get to lose what they have and maybe that will be a semi auto cat H license.If you and you kind directed this same level of energy against those who would impose further restrictive laws on us, instead of against your brother/sister shooter, than none of us would have to lose anything else.

You can not see how people having "Pistols" like this may draw unwanted attention to our sport?How did the subject of recating lever actions become banning "Pistols" like this"? And by the by, no I can't see how these may draw unwanted attention to our sport, when was the last time "one of these" popped up as being used in some illegal activity?

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/01/29/289587_01__22_ruger_charger_640.jpg

Pushing the boundaries all the time will see a crack down on everything in my opinion.[/color]

[pajamatime]

Playing Devils Advocate......
Do you think having lever action Shotguns and guns like the Ruger Charger draw the attention of politicians and anti gun people?
I think it does, the few who want these style of Rifles and "Pistols" may do more damage to the majority of shooters in the long run.
Some members at my Club think the way some Ruger Chargers are modified to look like a .22 caliber AR15 does not help our cause with the mainstream.

Do we need lever action shotguns or will this sort of thing tighten the noose and take away some of the things we now have?

Just a thought.

I just don't get what looks have to do with anything? Not having a go at you. The whole idea about guns looking dangerous. If a gun is in the street it is dangerous most likely.

If it is out hunting, or at the range, or at home...what the fcuk does it matter.

Dude walking down the street toting a baseball bat, double barrel shotty, single barrel bolt gun,
big black betty boop gun.

What's the damned difference.

A d**khead is a d**khead.[/

Why do you "need" a lever action shotgun?
I love this sport but I have met more than my fair share of D***heads and Rambos and nut jobs at my Club and often at my local gunshop.
This sport/hobby can be a d***head magnet it seems.

People that want to modify Auto Pistols to resemble and shoot like Auto Rifles are stretching the boundaries in my opinion.
That's great, its all legal until the authorities decide it is not and then all of the people that have no interest in Ruger Charger semi auto rifles and lever action shotguns get to lose what they have and maybe that will be a semi auto cat H license.

You can not see how people having "Pistols" like this may draw unwanted attention to our sport?

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/01/29/289587_01__22_ruger_charger_640.jpg

Pushing the boundaries all the time will see a crack down on everything in my opinion.

That last part you quoted. I appreciate your 2 cents I really do.
But I think it has grown more obvious by now that the disarmament agenda is just that...a complete disarmament of civilian population regardless of the reason. People can try and slow it down by hiding in the shadows out of fear for a tyrannical government but at the end of the day they want it all and we are more effective on the front line then we are pretending it's not occurring or never going to.

[pajamatime]

ADLER AND LEVER-ACTION FIREARMS - A SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE NATIONAL PRESIDENT

http://ssaa.org.au/members/member-annou ... n-firearms

[Spooner]

Did it.

[rsj223]

Email back from my local Poly
Thank you for your email regarding the classification of firearms. I appreciate the time you have taken to contact me.

High-capacity firearms, such as the Adler A110 shotgun, are already under active consideration by the national Firearms Policy Working Group, which is looking at the classification of firearms more generally under the National Firearms Agreement.
This working group is making recommendations to state, territory and federal police ministers on the classification of firearms as part the commonwealth review into the Martin Place siege.
Victoria Police have raised concerns that this weapon – and others like it – are no longer appropriate for a category A classification. The classification of firearms and other technical-related elements under the 1996 National Firearms Agreement, including firearms such as the Adler, will be included in these discussions.

The FWPWG will make recommendations to Police and Justice Ministers from all jurisdictions for their consideration in late 2015.

The Government will consult with stakeholders and carefully consider any recommendations that arise from FWPWG discussions, particularly concerning any changes to firearm laws and their implementation.

Thank you again for your email.

Yours sincerely

[Newdave]

These people are on another planet. The Martin place siege scum bag did not have a firearms license. The shotgun wasn't registered and they can't even trace when it came into the country.

So from that they get lets go after legal registered lever actions. Why would a terrorist even bother with a bloody Adler when there is already semi and pump action shotguns on the black market. Fact based policy when it comes to firearms is as rare as unicorns.

[DML]

Email back from my local Poly...
...
Victoria Police have raised concerns that this weapon – and others like it – are no longer appropriate for a category A classification. The classification of firearms and other technical-related elements under the 1996 National Firearms Agreement, including firearms such as the Adler, will be included in these discussions.
...

Translated...

Victoria Police have raised concerns that this weapon - and other lever actions - are no longer appropriate for a Category A classification. The number of these types of weapons that are getting into criminal hands (0) is simply too high to ignore. We need to get them in to the same category as the pump action shotgun that the unlicensed Martin Place Siege gunman had possession of and was using for criminal purposes.

Another thing we're going to look at is putting yet another general ban on crime. You might not know this because you're just a voter, but us politicians have already implemented legislation that bans crime on more than 50 occasions. Unfortunately, these bans keep getting ignored by criminals, so we're going to keep doing the same thing and hoping for a different result.

[Title_II]

Victoria Police have raised concerns that this weapon – and others like it – are no longer appropriate for a category A classification. The classification of firearms and other technical-related elements under the 1996 National Firearms Agreement, including firearms such as the Adler, will be included in these discussions.

I love it when they say stuff like this. I don't know about police in Australia, but apparently all police in the US support stricter gun control and you'll get the police chiefs on TV to say so.

Except for one thing. THEY DON'T. Police chiefs and union reps are politicians. In the largest survey ever of verified, sworn police in the States (~15,000) every single question was met with at least support for civilian gun ownership and carry, usually increased ownership and carry and less gun control, and none of the questions met with calls for greater gun control.

Here are the results:

http://police-praetorian.netdna-ssl.com ... y_2013.pdf

And here is some discussion:

http://www.policeone.com/police-product ... e-Summary/

It seems police never think what politicians and the media get them to say they think, at least in the States.

[David Brown]

I think everyone should print this and send it to their state and federal members, senators and in particular their minister for police.

That is damning evidence and a far stronger case than I expected.

[wayward]

Fact based policy when it comes to firearms is as rare as unicorns.

[pajamatime]

Was not sure if this needs its own topic or not but here is the Qld petition I think

https://www.change.org/p/queensland-gov ... m=copylink

[brisb]

Done done.

[chacka]

1,029 more to go.