LDP just lost my vote

[Baronvonrort]

David Leyonhjelm said there were 2 fundraising campaigns, one for weed and one for guns.
He says the money raised for guns will only be used for gun ads, the weed money will only be used for weed ads.

www.facebook.com/LDP.australia?fref=nf

His twitter account-
https://twitter.com/davidleyonhjelm

[<<Genesis93>>]

We're not here to argue about drugs ... but for the record , there is a reson they call it dope.... because it turns people into de-motivated brain dead , underachieving, dole bludging DOPES,

Ever heared the tearm , drug fu€ked ?

alcohol is a drug.
Cannabis is a plant.
Hell I don't even drink or smoke...alcohol kills the brain 2. the whole demonisation of cannabis was because cannabis was a massive threat to multiple industries and they didnt want that so they made it a crime. Alcohol kills the brain, kills the body and makes people stupid...in comparison Cannabis is a zillion times safer then alcohol. besides the effect you are talking about is related to lack of moderation and can make some people a bit dopy and some people either become more motivated on it or less motivated...but I would buy that over the symptoms of alcoholism any day of the week. dopy=less anger lol where is alcohol tends to make people extremely violent.

Alcohol is a solution.....



well actually a solvent, spirits are more so a solution.



Cannabis, or hemp, is the most useful plant on the earth, fast growing, a most versatile fibre, and can feed people and animals with a very nutritious seed. Its problem was dupont (and Hollywood/media etc).....

[trekin]

We're not here to argue about drugs ... but for the record , there is a reson they call it dope.... because it turns people into de-motivated brain dead , underachieving, dole bludging DOPES,

Ever heared the tearm , drug fu€ked ?

alcohol is a drug.
Cannabis is a plant.
Hell I don't even drink or smoke...alcohol kills the brain 2. the whole demonisation of cannabis was because cannabis was a massive threat to multiple industries and they didnt want that so they made it a crime. Alcohol kills the brain, kills the body and makes people stupid...in comparison Cannabis is a zillion times safer then alcohol. besides the effect you are talking about is related to lack of moderation and can make some people a bit dopy and some people either become more motivated on it or less motivated...but I would buy that over the symptoms of alcoholism any day of the week. dopy=less anger lol where is alcohol tends to make people extremely violent.

Alcohol is a solution.....



well actually a solvent, spirits are more so a solution.



Cannabis, or hemp, is the most useful plant on the earth, fast growing, a most versatile fibre, and can feed people and animals with a very nutritious seed. Its problem was dupont (and Hollywood/media etc).....

Only the second most useful plant in the world. There's one one other that does all that and more, plus it is the most excellent material for making gun stocks and pistol grips out of. Bamboo is what I'm talking about of course.
Never tried smoking it though.

[Title_II]

We're not here to argue about drugs ... but for the record , there is a reson they call it dope.... because it turns people into de-motivated brain dead , underachieving, dole bludging DOPES,

Ever heared the tearm , drug fu€ked ?

alcohol is a drug.
Cannabis is a plant.
Hell I don't even drink or smoke...alcohol kills the brain 2. the whole demonisation of cannabis was because cannabis was a massive threat to multiple industries and they didnt want that so they made it a crime. Alcohol kills the brain, kills the body and makes people stupid...in comparison Cannabis is a zillion times safer then alcohol. besides the effect you are talking about is related to lack of moderation and can make some people a bit dopy and some people either become more motivated on it or less motivated...but I would buy that over the symptoms of alcoholism any day of the week. dopy=less anger lol where is alcohol tends to make people extremely violent.

Cannabis does promote spotty spelling and capitalization

Weed was not killed off by Dupont or "big industry" or any of that nonsense. Some pothead at Berkley wrote a treatise during the late 1960s wildly exaggerating mystical physical and economic properties of dope and blamed big corporations for outlawing it. Sorta like that guy in Kansas that has a $50 device to allow your car to get 100 km/liter of petrol but Big Oil won't let him market it. If you believe that, you missed a few days of Thermo I. The obvious conclusion of this thesis is that pot is not only harmless, but you have been lied to for commercial purposes, and pot is actually the most important, powerful, peaceful, and environmentally safe substance on the planet, with a utility that rivals enriched uranium but none of the side effects.

Now, pot heads are not always scholarly, but they do have one thing in common - they like to talk about pot. This stupid story, and other ones like it, made it into the lexicon of the counter culture, the youth, and became a ubiquitous urban legend. Now, does weed have some useful physical properties? Yes. It gets you high, and it makes good, cheap rope. For all its other purported properties, there are better, cheaper, and renewable alternatives.

Weed was outlawed because of the temperance movement and because Central Americans/Mexicans and Blacks loved the stuff. And people did not like or trust Central Americans/Mexicans and Blacks by and large. So its threat to society was exaggerated, always in the context of a racist undertone, and it was outlawed.

[<<Genesis93>>]

Weed was outlawed because of the temperance movement and because Central Americans/Mexicans and Blacks loved the stuff. And people did not like or trust Central Americans/Mexicans and Blacks by and large. So its threat to society was exaggerated, always in the context of a racist undertone, and it was outlawed.

To demonstrate integrity, which is an important trait, you must stick to your beliefs, no matter what.... so if you honestly believe that hemp/cannabis was outlawed because people didnt trust mexicans and blacks and thought that potentially an army of doped out aliens were going to take over the country or at least cause nationwide disorder.... .... then you keep believing it.

trouble is that history, as written in the history books would never say that corporate interests caused laws to be passed and competing industries to be destroyed .... that just wouldnt fly.


hemp is an almost perfect sourced of fibre,polymers, monomers, energy/oil, food for human/animal...etc etc
given that the growth of hemp is so vigorous and abundant - dont you think all of the alternitive industry suppliers would be objectionable?? ya. think so.

[Title_II]

Weed was outlawed because of the temperance movement and because Central Americans/Mexicans and Blacks loved the stuff. And people did not like or trust Central Americans/Mexicans and Blacks by and large. So its threat to society was exaggerated, always in the context of a racist undertone, and it was outlawed.

To demonstrate integrity, which is an important trait, you must stick to your beliefs, no matter what.... so if you honestly believe that hemp/cannabis was outlawed because people didnt trust mexicans and blacks and thought that potentially an army of doped out aliens were going to take over the country or at least cause nationwide disorder.... .... then you keep believing it.

trouble is that history, as written in the history books would never say that corporate interests caused laws to be passed and competing industries to be destroyed .... that just wouldnt fly.


hemp is an almost perfect sourced of fibre,polymers, monomers, energy/oil, food for human/animal...etc etc
given that the growth of hemp is so vigorous and abundant - dont you think all of the alternitive industry suppliers would be objectionable?? ya. think so.

You've used too much of your own product.

Where did I say I thought blacks or Central Americans were going to take over the country?

I did not.

Where did I say I am against pot?

I did not.

This is another thing potheads have in common. They are very paranoid and defensive. The pothead has not yet figured out whether or not I am on his side. But simply because I dismiss his silly propaganda that has no basis in reality, I become his enemy. Even if I was on his side! Not a good way to champion a cause, dismissing possible allies.

hemp is an almost perfect sourced of fibre,polymers, monomers, energy/oil, food for human/animal...etc etc
given that the growth of hemp is so vigorous and abundant - dont you think all of the alternitive industry suppliers would be objectionable?? ya. think so.

I realize you can't properly spell or use punctuation and capitalization, and it seems (just my opinion) you have some reading comprehension issues as well. But I would like you to explain a few things to me.

SPECIFICALLY

1. What fiber does pot produce that is superior to currently available fibers?
2. What polymers? And why is pot a better source?
3. Monomers? LOL, I'd like to hear this one. I personally know the man who makes 50% of monomers in the world. And, I can assure you, if he could do it better from pot, he would.

Please list the monomers and why they are cheaper from pot. This one should be pretty funny.

4. Energy/oil - completely debunked. 1960s pothead nonsense. Biofuels are a complete flop and destroy the land far more than food crops, and they compete with food crops. The only flora biofuels of value come from waste. Switchgrass is superior to pot as is algae. Pot never even ranked. You got duped. My lawn clippings produce more BTUs in methane than pot can produce in oil or conversion to methanol/ethanol/SynGas/GTL. Pot is not even on the map. It's just a dumb weed that makes people happy by getting them high.

5. Food for humans? You are contradicting yourself.

It's all complete nonsense. Pot is not a special plant with extraordinary physical, biological, or chemical properties. The only problem it can solve is lagging sales of Doritos.

[Heckler303]

OT with LDP:


I want to get or make a Shooters and Fishers bumper stickers that reads: "Shooters and Fishers, better than bullsh**ers"


Then again, a greeny would likely hit my car or try to remove the sticker if they saw that.

[pajamatime]

Weed was outlawed because of the temperance movement and because Central Americans/Mexicans and Blacks loved the stuff. And people did not like or trust Central Americans/Mexicans and Blacks by and large. So its threat to society was exaggerated, always in the context of a racist undertone, and it was outlawed.

To demonstrate integrity, which is an important trait, you must stick to your beliefs, no matter what.... so if you honestly believe that hemp/cannabis was outlawed because people didnt trust mexicans and blacks and thought that potentially an army of doped out aliens were going to take over the country or at least cause nationwide disorder.... .... then you keep believing it.

trouble is that history, as written in the history books would never say that corporate interests caused laws to be passed and competing industries to be destroyed .... that just wouldnt fly.


hemp is an almost perfect sourced of fibre,polymers, monomers, energy/oil, food for human/animal...etc etc
given that the growth of hemp is so vigorous and abundant - dont you think all of the alternitive industry suppliers would be objectionable?? ya. think so.

You've used too much of your own product.

Where did I say I thought blacks or Central Americans were going to take over the country?

I did not.

Where did I say I am against pot?

I did not.

This is another thing potheads have in common. They are very paranoid and defensive. The pothead has not yet figured out whether or not I am on his side. But simply because I dismiss his silly propaganda that has no basis in reality, I become his enemy. Even if I was on his side! Not a good way to champion a cause, dismissing possible allies.

hemp is an almost perfect sourced of fibre,polymers, monomers, energy/oil, food for human/animal...etc etc
given that the growth of hemp is so vigorous and abundant - dont you think all of the alternitive industry suppliers would be objectionable?? ya. think so.

I realize you can't properly spell or use punctuation and capitalization, and it seems (just my opinion) you have some reading comprehension issues as well. But I would like you to explain a few things to me.

SPECIFICALLY

1. What fiber does pot produce that is superior to currently available fibers?
2. What polymers? And why is pot a better source?
3. Monomers? LOL, I'd like to hear this one. I personally know the man who makes 50% of monomers in the world. And, I can assure you, if he could do it better from pot, he would.

Please list the monomers and why they are cheaper from pot. This one should be pretty funny.

4. Energy/oil - completely debunked. 1960s pothead nonsense. Biofuels are a complete flop and destroy the land far more than food crops, and they compete with food crops. The only flora biofuels of value come from waste. Switchgrass is superior to pot as is algae. Pot never even ranked. You got duped. My lawn clippings produce more BTUs in methane than pot can produce in oil or conversion to methanol/ethanol/SynGas/GTL. Pot is not even on the map. It's just a dumb weed that makes people happy by getting them high.

5. Food for humans? You are contradicting yourself.

It's all complete nonsense. Pot is not a special plant with extraordinary physical, biological, or chemical properties. The only problem it can solve is lagging sales of Doritos.

lol I know what the problem is here...you lot forget 80% (give or take) of the science out there has been royally tampered with by "put relevant industry or corporation title here" and that probably why you got all them fancy letters and word up in there being a industry educated favortist and all lol.

Just wait a sec so I can use spell check on my potentially deadly grammar and spellin skills....wouldn't want you to have any ammo for your next wall of gigantic Fking text lol


Edit: might I add a somewhat important observation? You either have a conflict of interest or you're just seriously biased and pot gets your nickers in a twist?....and yes I'm using lots of ???? To upset you lol

[<<Genesis93>>]

Title, brother, I was suggesting that you are demonstrating integrity...... by sticking to your beliefs, that I respect. (in the face of adversity, overwhelming logic and opposition)

This is not the place for a dissertation on the chemical composition or manufacture, preparation of the myriad products of hemp..... and I have never indulged...

If you already have all your answers, because Mr 50% is your bud; then why are you asking these questions.....?

Cannabis IS a special plant, and not for the THC.....

Back OT, the association of dope with the dope (the false prophet) is a direct path to ridicule....mary-jane & guns.....
Although I do believe dope should be legal, not because I want all the greens voters doped out, but I firmly believe that if someone want to put something into their own body, they should be allowed..... just like raw milk, ffs, its raw - it may have bacteria etc just like everything in life you take chances.

Problem is that governments have diverted from their original objective of 'peace and good government' and morphed into a tool to churn out legislation far beyond the terms set out by the founding fathers (whether Aus or the USA etc) hundreds and hundreds of bills, that seem to achieve two objectives, usually concurrently;

1-The restriction of personal liberties (including the needless removal of personal wealth)
2-The advancement of corporate interest beyond all others

Why? because the electors allow it, we think there are only 2 choices, in Aus Lib/Lab and in the USA democraps/repubs.... so we vote for one until we get pissed off at them then vote for the other.....repeat ad infinitum...
What makes it worse, the system have been fixed so that even with a minority of votes, you 'win' government; I dont really know what democracy is, but I'm sure thats not it.

[bluerob]

On the way home last night, I heard David Leyonhjelm being interviewed. He seemed like a reasonable bloke (spent his youth on a dairy farm) who is genuine about fighting for gun rights. He's basically against "nanny state policies."

As for the pot comments.

I'd sooner deal with someone who wants to demolish my pantry and fridge to a pi$$ed idiot or a freak on ice who wants to demolish me because it's my fault that he didn't sleep for 4 days.

[pajamatime]

Title, brother, I was suggesting that you are demonstrating integrity...... by sticking to your beliefs, that I respect. (in the face of adversity, overwhelming logic and opposition)

This is not the place for a dissertation on the chemical composition or manufacture, preparation of the myriad products of hemp..... and I have never indulged...

If you already have all your answers, because Mr 50% is your bud; then why are you asking these questions.....?

Cannabis IS a special plant, and not for the THC.....

Back OT, the association of dope with the dope (the false prophet) is a direct path to ridicule....mary-jane & guns.....
Although I do believe dope should be legal, not because I want all the greens voters doped out, but I firmly believe that if someone want to put something into their own body, they should be allowed..... just like raw milk, ffs, its raw - it may have bacteria etc just like everything in life you take chances.

Problem is that governments have diverted from their original objective of 'peace and good government' and morphed into a tool to churn out legislation far beyond the terms set out by the founding fathers (whether Aus or the USA etc) hundreds and hundreds of bills, that seem to achieve two objectives, usually concurrently;

1-The restriction of personal liberties (including the needless removal of personal wealth)
2-The advancement of corporate interest beyond all others

Why? because the electors allow it, we think there are only 2 choices, in Aus Lib/Lab and in the USA democraps/repubs.... so we vote for one until we get pissed off at them then vote for the other.....repeat ad infinitum...
What makes it worse, the system have been fixed so that even with a minority of votes, you 'win' government; I dont really know what democracy is, but I'm sure thats not it.

Apparently the way the voting system is atm is the way the pro shooting parties want it for now? Maybe because they have worked so hard to take full advantage of how things are? I know current state of voting is far from democratic but because it's been that way for so long everyone's putting their eggs in one basket kinda thing. Not 100% sure.

Edit: btw when ever I ask the best way to vote so that my vote goes to the right party I get mixed preferences on it.
For example apparently if I vote below the line my vote can get disqualified ? And if I vote above the line it all depends on preference deals? It's ridiculously confusing and I feel like I'm melted cheese being squished out of two slabs of bread lol

Is there a real honest solid answer to " how do I make sure the party I want to vote for actually gets my vote? " lol

[Gwion]

No there isn't. The system is inherently flawed.

[on_one_wheel]

It's really quite simple , you simply ask the party that you wish to vote, for a guide as how to vote well in advance . They will provide you with a template to follow.

[Pom]

Alcohol is a solution.....



well actually a solvent, spirits are more so a solution.

Solvent.

Still a solution to problems either way