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SSAA gains Assurances as NFA consult kicks off

Post by pajamatime » 30 Aug 2015, 11:56 pm

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27 August 2015 / In Politics

The SSAA had a seat at the table of two important meetings this week to discuss the review of the National Firearms Agreement (NFA) and to make sure our concerns regarding the current state of play and any future changes are heard.

Held in Sydney on August 26, the first meeting saw SSAA National President Geoff Jones and CEO Tim Bannister meet with the Firearms and Weapons Policy Working Group (FWPWG). Other shooting and hunting associations along with representatives from the firearms industry were also present.

The second meeting saw Geoff and a select number of other stakeholders meet with Justice Minister Michael Keenan face-to-face. The SSAA can report that the Minister did give us a number of assurances while making it clear that the states are also key players in the review.

The dialogue was positive and we are currently working on a preliminary submission addressing a number of concerns regarding the NFA, in the scope of what is being considered.

In the meantime, we encourage you to continue writing to your local member to make sure our cause is being heard. We will bring you updates as they come to hand.
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Post by trekin » 31 Aug 2015, 6:43 am

Well I, for one, feel totally assured :sarcasm: as I sit here with the cold shiver of déjà vu running down my back. Behind closed door meetings with selected "stakeholders" (funny how the SSAA and a select few others, including the Govt at both levels, are now stakeholders and the rest are just representatives) was the tactic of choice used by the Howard/Liberal Govt back in '96 to divide and conquer.
The dialogue was positive and we are currently working on a preliminary submission addressing a number of concerns regarding the NFA, in the scope of what is being considered.
So 'Master SSAA, sir, when do we lowly shooter-folk peasants get to know the details of what is being considered, or do we have to wait until these considerations are passed into law before we find out.'
In the meantime, we encourage you to continue writing to your local member to make sure our cause is being heard.
Yep, that totally makes me assured that the outcome of your little closed door meeting is going in our favor, NOT!
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Post by RoginaJack » 31 Aug 2015, 10:57 am

Yes, I must admit that I too am a little bit apprehensive in so much that the SSAA and other representative bodies will be informed by the NFA AFTER the decisions are made.
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Post by bigtone » 31 Aug 2015, 12:58 pm

The SSAA is being way to complacent about weapons licensing in Queensland even now. Don't believe that then try to get a shooting range approved for a 408 cheytac or 416 Barrett. you could have a million acres and it wouldn't get approved at present. Wait till the new NFA comes out. Queensland weapons licensing will just invent their own rules to restrict licensed firearm owners even further. I don't understand why its called a NATIONAL firearms agreement when every state does something different.
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Post by Wylie27 » 31 Aug 2015, 1:54 pm

bigtone wrote:I don't understand why its called a NATIONAL firearms agreement when every state does something different.


It is an agreement only. The fed govt cannot impose firearm legislation at all. That is handled by the stave govt.

The 96 NFA was essentially blackmailed by the federal government to pass the laws we have today.

This is why each state is different as the Feds can only ask and the states decide.

That's why it is important to have SFP in the state parliament rather than the Feds as that is where legislation can be blocked.
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Post by Wylie27 » 31 Aug 2015, 1:56 pm

And it scares the crap out of me that the old school single shot target shooters are on the committee.
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Post by trekin » 31 Aug 2015, 2:22 pm

Wylie27 wrote:And it scares the crap out of me that the old school single shot target shooters are on the committee.

It scares the crap out of me, that not one member of this committee asked me if they could represent my shooting interests to the Govt. But then, I suppose that is why they are calling themselves "stakeholders".
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 31 Aug 2015, 2:48 pm

Wylie27 wrote:
bigtone wrote:I don't understand why its called a NATIONAL firearms agreement when every state does something different.


It is an agreement only. The fed govt cannot impose firearm legislation at all. That is handled by the stave govt.

The 96 NFA was essentially blackmailed by the federal government to pass the laws we have today.

This is why each state is different as the Feds can only ask and the states decide.

That's why it is important to have SFP in the state parliament rather than the Feds as that is where legislation can be blocked.


What do you mean the Feds cant impose firearm legislation??? It seems they can; they did ban the Adler 7 shot.... regardless of the tool they used being customs rather than firearm law....

And the actual state laws; didnt little jonnie steam roll the states with certain financial threat? 96 was as close to Federal law you get with out traveling through the houses in Canberra...

As far as the SSAA going in to bat for us; what they should do is start off the negotiation with "Our member seek air rifles and 22s OFF the registry, the PTA system scrapped, semis under cat B, administration of licensing, registrar, and discretionary powers REMOVED from the (biased as declared) police department involvement AND formal guarantees that in the future, no criminal mis-use of unregistered and unlicensed firearms will be permitted to be used as an excuse to take action and / or legislate against law abiding firearm owners"

unfortunately.....I suspect they'll go into the NFA negotiations and suck C#$% and WE will end up being bent over forwards AGAIN. :evil: :evil:
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Post by bigtone » 31 Aug 2015, 4:17 pm

Even if they pass laws it doesn't end there. QWL just make up their own laws and try to force them upon you. Ever heard of a catB high calibre? Ever heard that a 408 cheytac is a restricted weapon even in single shot bolt action? Ever seen a condition "999" in the weapons regulation or applied to a cat B licence? Thats not the end of the list either.
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Post by deye243 » 31 Aug 2015, 10:16 pm

Wylie27 wrote:And it scares the crap out of me that the old school single shot target shooters are on the committee.


post of the year right there
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Post by Octane » 01 Sep 2015, 11:00 am

Wylie27 wrote:And it scares the crap out of me that the old school single shot target shooters are on the committee.


You'd hope they f*** it up for everyone else with thinking "I don't need a magazine/capacity so don't care if they get banned" etc. way of thinking.
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Post by pajamatime » 03 Sep 2015, 8:08 pm

"Positive thoughts get positive results"...I been reading that allot lately. To much facebook and twitter but it probably does allot of good. Good attracts Good!
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 04 Sep 2015, 9:10 am

The forces of good will NEVER win the social media war.....(Good = truth, our rights and TRUE democracy)

simply because the forces of evil (media/environmentist movement/commie socialist/anti-property and real rights choice)

Own it.





Just try to post a comment on a story about guns or hunting or against the left propaganda (enviro/gaylove/refugees/no borders/diversity) or on a tard social media account...

You will be blacklisted / booted / moderated / deleted.
Thats how they win, they use the emotional blackmail and control, filtering the public discourse to sway the supporters because emotion wins out over logic every time apparently...

Example the Green - calling for a ICAC investigation over choppergate - I posted the info re the greens senator and how they were snout in the trough by factors over the rest...... even though on the same space they stated they only moderate 'offensive homophobic posts'....... it lasted about 5minutes there!
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Post by Rick » 04 Sep 2015, 10:11 am

The Left Wingers don't like hearing the truth from the LAFO's community. Because it defeats their arguments without question. Here's hoping the SSAA reps don't screw it up for the rest of us. Otherwise, they should be hung out to dry! Mobilize and unite I say! Lucky in Vic we have a couple of SFP reps in at the moment, here is hoping we get a ton more!
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Post by huccl » 07 Sep 2015, 9:59 am

Rick wrote:Here's hoping the SSAA reps don't screw it up for the rest of us.


That would be nice.
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