Do LAFOs actually commit crimes?

[happyhunter]

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[Heckler303]

So in all seriousness, we're back to where we were before: LAFO's just about never use their firearms in violent crime. Wow, if only any anti-gunner could realise a fact we've known for decades.

[Gwion]

Spotlighting off roads, poaching, tresspass, breaching the firearms act, and illegal shooting of native wildlife might be some of the crimes committed by a percentage of licenced gun owners.

Sure, its possible for them to do that sort of thing, but most of the time they don't realise that they would be breaking a law by doing so.

My main question was have any of the 800,000 LAFOs use their firearm to go on rampages, shootings, e.t.c for the past 20 years? I keep finding zilch results on that one.

Unfortunately, there are a few around that still act the cowboy with a firearm. Trespass with a firearm is an extremely serious offense. As with all laws, if you are too ignorant to know you are breaking the law it is your own fault. Ignorance is no excuse in the law.

So, licensed firearms owners can, have and will break laws but as others say, retaining the licence is a motivator to keep in line, like, not dropping some wanker who is throwing insults at you or generally acting a dick.

[deye243]

i will tell you now it is in there best interest to leave me alone with a license

and not to take it from me for absolutely no reason it is the only thin that keeps

me in line .

I have a friend that I have known for many years. Most decent, honorable, responsible person I've ever met. I've seen him under stress and under threat and he has the demeanor of a Lt. Col.

A few years ago he said to, me, "Well, you didn't know me before I started carrying."

Apparently he was a real bruiser and took no sh**. I was stunned to learn this. He still takes no Sh**, but does it civilly now. He told me that once he started carrying he realized those days were over. And within a year or so he grew up and put away childish things.

thats it , take away my way of life (it's not a bloody hobbie) and i have nothing to lose .....

[AusC]

He still takes no Sh**, but does it civilly now.

Civilly hey.

Is that carrying a glove around and instead of clocking someone says "Sir, I demand satisfaction" *slap*. They they have a gentlemen's duel of fisticuffs.

Civil like?

[Baronvonrort]

I found this data from 2007-2008

Page 14 on document-

Cause of death in homicide incidents-

Stab wounds- 114 victims
Beatings -64 victims
Gunshot wounds- 30 victims
Strangulation/suffocation-18 victims
Other eg hit by car- 13 victims

Page 31
Conclusion-
*firearm involvement in homicide increased slightly (12%,up from 9% in previous year),however firearm involvement still remains at an historical low.
The majority of firearms used in homicides were unregistered and/or unlicensed
http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/pub ... 3/mr13.pdf

If the majority of firearm homicides were done by people without a firearm license that would put firearm homicides at less than 15 per year from licensed firearm owners.



Not sure if this link is worthy of Bentaz's links thread

[David Brown]

The number I have herd from reliable sources, Samara I think it was, was that the chances are 30%, so more than two thirds less.

Bit like pilots, they generally are responsible because failure is not forgiving, and its a precise activity. The average bunny is not welcome nor is the barrier to entry low. And we have a lot to loose.

All adds up to the fact we are the complete model citizens actually.

[adam]

Finally - it makes sense why the greens are against firearms. Because of their previous conviction history smoking too much stuff, or their mental illnesses - they're not allowed to have guns, and they're jealous so they don't want us to have guns either.

Being serious however - LAFO's would naturally be more law abiding than others - simply because if you have a history you're going to have a tough time getting a license, and as others have said if you play up you lose it.

Just another nail in the coffin for those who like to attack LAFO's as being the bad eggs / dangerous people in society.

It's the non licensed people that have acquired firearms we need to be worried about - and no law is going to affect them simply because they already don't care about the law.

[aaronjo]

I just find it weird that that considering the majority of gun crime is done by ppl who have acquired guns illegally how they can believe that by stopping LAFO's and the sale of ALL guns will affect that number?

They (crims) got the guns somehow and just because they stop us from getting guns I honestly don't believe it will stop them (crims). They managed to get them in the first place!

[Arth]

I just find it weird that that considering the majority of gun crime is done by ppl who have acquired guns illegally how they can believe that by stopping LAFO's and the sale of ALL guns will affect that number?

Because politicians are useless and are literally incapable of do anything effective.

Being useless as they are but needing to tell someone what to do they come after us because our names are in a register. They don't have to catch us like they do criminals.