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Malcolm Turnbull & Gun Control

Post by adam » 15 Sep 2015, 9:25 am

Does anyone have any history on where Malcolm's stance is when it comes to Gun Control.

A quick google I've done appears as though he's all for tightening the laws even more from some older hits I've gotten, but nothing conclusive.

Is he likely to be someone who will go with the facts, or someone who will go with knee jerk reactions and media trends?
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 15 Sep 2015, 10:03 am

Rule number 1 - dont believe anything a pollie says or promises, if their lips are moving theyre lying . If he's declared he's slightly for or against firearms its irrelevant,

What is relevant is that he is as left aligned as you'll find a 'conservative'..... he's for Gay Love and for the fantasy of man made climate change and an ETS....

Left = gun grabber maximus

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Post by happyhunter » 15 Sep 2015, 10:08 am

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Post by Noisydad » 15 Sep 2015, 10:16 am

Doesnt matter wether they're Liberal or Labour because 1/They're career politicians. 2/They're/we're still subject to international treaties other traitors have signed previously.
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Post by Gwion » 15 Sep 2015, 11:08 am

happyhunter wrote:The biggest gun grabber of all time was John Howard, an ultra conservative.


Just to reiterate.....
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 15 Sep 2015, 11:18 am

Gwion wrote:
happyhunter wrote:The biggest gun grabber of all time was John Howard, an ultra conservative.


Just to reiterate.....


Whats your point?
Its well known that he hates guns and wanted/wants them all gone, but the 1996 shenanigans would not have been remotely possible without the conspiring of the Federal cabinet, police ministers, premiers etc...

So continually pointing the finger at little jonnie is a cop out...it was ALL of them - why? because regardless of whether theyre a leftist socialist organisation (Aus Labor) or a supposedly right of centre conservative organisation (Aus Libs) one thing in common with this class is the fear of an armed populace.

Calling little jonnie the biggest of anything, especially in gungrabbing is giving him WAY too much credit.
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Post by David Brown » 15 Sep 2015, 11:41 am

To be fair, John Howard was the best prime minister we have had in the last 30 years. Without doubt.

But he made two big mistakes, the gun grab and the final stage of the work choices which was very "not fair".

The problem we now have is MT……a good leader possibly, and that is even more of a problem if he has very "left" views. There are some ALP and Lib folk that I think should be rebranded the Centre Left. You just do not get what you paid for. Like light beer!
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Post by happyhunter » 15 Sep 2015, 2:44 pm

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Post by RDobber » 15 Sep 2015, 3:07 pm

I don't think he'll speak out against it but will be going along with control in the background. IMO.
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Post by Gwion » 15 Sep 2015, 3:28 pm

<<Genesis93>> wrote:
Gwion wrote:
happyhunter wrote:The biggest gun grabber of all time was John Howard, an ultra conservative.


Just to reiterate.....


Whats your point?


The point is quite obvious. Degenerating a discussion to push a left v right agenda and spruke far right propaganda, implying that anyone to the left must be anti firearms, while ignoring the plain and simple fact that the right of Australian politics have been in power when any and all restrictive action has been taken us a little, well... flawed.
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 15 Sep 2015, 5:27 pm

Degenerating discussion?? You added 3 pointless words.... I tried to add something to the discussion.

The common way to describe political leanings is by way of left or right (I'd be happy to school you in where such a description originated....), we now have a PM who is obviously 3 click to the left of the former....maybe you disagree?

As far as spruiking propaganda (I'm sure you meant spruiking) I'm not quite sure what you're referring to, but the socialist/communists are the masters of gun-control, just ask the Leninists/Trotskyites, hence the greens are so aligned, in fact Rhiannon spent 6 months or so in the 1970s in Moscow getting schooled in the commie ways...
If you mean that opposing gay marriage and taxing human activity through the application of a false religion of climate change, makes me right when then yes, I'll put my hand up.

Now whether the Blues or Reds were in power at the time of the gun control legislation is totally irrelevant, as there was/is overwhelming bipartisan support for these matters, as its seen as a mutually beneficial position (the people will always accept the false premise that fewer guns = safer society, because the TV told them). and I'll add that the 2 parties are much the same, they'll both impose destructive policies on the dumbass voters who are more interested in the footy scores and celebrity gossip.

Now I defer to you - please add something worthwhile..................
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Post by Gwion » 15 Sep 2015, 7:07 pm

The premise put forward that anyone to the left is a "gun grabber maximus" is tired and in accurate; in so far as the powers to the right are also gun grabbers. Communist regimes may have a history of suppressing the common ownership of firearms but so too have every right wing totalitarian regime in history. Controlling access to weapons for the populace is neither new nor restricted to "one side" of politics.

In fact, it is my belief that the old dichotomy of "left v right" is also tired and tiresome, being so outmoded as to be practically irrelevant in today's world, except for those who wish to promulgate it in order support their own agenda. In reality, most people today combine conservatism and liberalism (or progressiveness and regressiveness) in a rather fluid manner that allows them to best negotiate the modern world. This vast majority is neither left, nor right, nor truly center, as they may combine rather extreme ethics, policies and theories from both "sides" of political thought. Even those at either end of the scale, by shear weight of the fact that they live in the modern world, will live their lives with influences from "both sides" seamlessly woven into their personal philosophies.

So, from the above you will see that i believe Malcolm Turnbull is either left, right or center. I do, however, think he is far more intelligent and has considerably more integrity than the outgoing PM. I may well be proved wrong, but i believe all Australians will get a fairer, more considered leadership from a Turnbull government. As to his views and stance on public firearms ownership, i have little to offer as i know nothing of his history in this respect; as such, i declined to comment and will continue to do so.

Just to reiterate: pointing the finger at "the left" as "gun grabbers" is pointless and counterproductive to achieving ends for public firearms owners. We must work at and with "both sides" while being aware that those in power (regardless of political persuasion) prefer an unarmed society for it's ease of malleability.

However, what ever our differing opinions on various issues, there is one thing i will agree with you on: both "sides" of politics will do what ever is in their own interests (generally repress the populace as much as possible) with little regard for the rights, freedoms or wishes of those whom they supposedly serve through public office.
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Post by Gwion » 15 Sep 2015, 8:37 pm

You may well be right there, Bentaz.
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Post by adam » 16 Sep 2015, 8:59 am

Gwion wrote:In fact, it is my belief that the old dichotomy of "left v right" is also tired


I think this is the main thing that keeps our pollies in control.

Look at the adds they put up each election. It's fear based. They don't put up adds to get elected in - they put up adds to ensure that the other party stays out.

It's not about what they have to offer, but what the other party has to damage.

The pollies want the left vs right to be the main focus. It distracts from everything else going on and more importantly ensures that either they will remain in power, or get re-elected in a few years to come - guaranteed, regardless of whether it's Liberals or Labour.

And it works - most people I know who vote either Liberal or Labour do it our of fear of the other party getting in and doing more damage to their priorities rather than wanting that party in.

This is why the last couple of elections I have given my support to independents. We need to break this system of our politicians guaranteed a win, if not this election, the one after - and get them to a point where they start being honest with Australia, and representing us instead of just getting votes to do what they want. More independents in both houses seem to be the only way that I can see this being accomplished.

Neither side has shown to be serious over the last few decades about addressing home invasions, violence against women, etc. They talk about it and have nice 'gatherings' to show their support against violence etc, but do nothing to implement anything that would allow people to defend themselves which tells me neither side are serious about the issue at all.
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Post by happyhunter » 16 Sep 2015, 9:42 am

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Post by sarki » 17 Sep 2015, 8:47 am

I doubt a lot of them even have a view on gun control and just go along with it by default as saying anything common sense on it would be seen as 'pro-gun' which they'd view as a bad career move :thumbsdown:
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Post by David Brown » 17 Sep 2015, 9:43 am

If they were educated a bit by us at least then they would have half an idea we are not all like the crazies shown by hollywood.
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 17 Sep 2015, 10:29 am

Gwion wrote:The premise put forward that anyone to the left is a "gun grabber maximus" is tired and in accurate; in so far as the powers to the right are also gun grabbers. Communist regimes may have a history of suppressing the common ownership of firearms but so too have every right wing totalitarian regime in history. Controlling access to weapons for the populace is neither new nor restricted to "one side" of politics.


So which one is it?? If the leftist gun grabbing is inaccurate then in the same breath you say (write) of the history of 'suppressing' ownership of guns....but every right wing totalitarian regime?? Firstly are all right-wing governments also 'totalitarian regimes'? A few examples of such regimes, and how they disarmed their people? Please elucidate this point for me.....I know which particular one you refer to, but I'd like you to actually put it in your post. You will find that the old “the people were disarmed” is a fantasy that is unfortunately used and perpetuated by both sides including the progunners..... because it suits the purpose. (It was a specific element of the people who were disarmed)


Gwion wrote:In fact, it is my belief that the old dichotomy of "left v right" is also tired and tiresome, being so outmoded as to be practically irrelevant in today's world, except for those who wish to promulgate it in order support their own agenda. In reality, most people today combine conservatism and liberalism (or progressiveness and regressiveness) in a rather fluid manner that allows them to best negotiate the modern world. This vast majority is neither left, nor right, nor truly center, as they may combine rather extreme ethics, policies and theories from both "sides" of political thought. Even those at either end of the scale, by shear weight of the fact that they live in the modern world, will live their lives with influences from "both sides" seamlessly woven into their personal philosophies.


Yes, I agree, the left / right 'paradigm' in todays setting as far as the media (and the entities themselves) portray it is rather bastardised and pointless as the outcome of their policies, being the only measure of their actions, achieve the same thing - screwing us. So yes, it is for all intents and purposes a FALSE dichotomy, but it is the way to generalise their political leanings....



Malcolm Turnbull, is well known to be a heck of a great deal more (lower-case L) liberal than Abbott. This can not be refuted.

What should be of concern to everyone, is that climate action had stalled absolutely with Abbott, and to progress the leftist agenda, yes, the LEFTIST agenda of progressing the global goals of restricting human activity through the TROJAN HORSE OF CLIMATE ACTION.....will only proceed with a leader other than Abbott, preferably with a BILDERBERGER with global Banking associations.

So the ousting of the Mad Abbott, was not about the upcoming By-election, neither the “30 successive news poll losses” nor the potential Fed election this or next year...

Its about Paris;

The United Nations Climate Change Conference, COP21 or CMP11 will be held in Paris, France in 2015.[1] The international climate conference will be held at the Le Bourget site from November 30 to December 11, 2015.[2] This will be the 21st yearly session of the Conference of the Parties (COP 21) to the 1992 United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) and the 11th session of the Meeting of the Parties (CMP 11) to the 1997 Kyoto Protocol.[3] The conference objective is to achieve a legally binding and universal agreement on climate, from all the nations of the world. Leadership of the negotiations is yet to be determined......

…....the objective of the 2015 conference is to achieve, for the first time in over 20 years of UN negotiations, a binding and universal agreement on climate, from all the nations of the world.


So those who control, those who control, would NEVER allow a leader who doesn't subscribe to the church of climatology, to allow a dissent or non-supporting vote in Paris.

After December we can (now) look forward to a renewed trajectory toward a new Carbon Tax/ETS, however they package it along with countless law / regs to alter our lifestyles, forcing reductions in energy consumption, small homes, further densification of populations, more people off the land into the cities, more redistribution of wealth, more immigration from less developed to developed nations, further infiltration of Agenda21 (google it) policies into our lifestyles from the local planning laws and local-laws up....etc.

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Post by happyhunter » 17 Sep 2015, 12:39 pm

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Post by Farmjer » 22 Sep 2015, 10:01 am

David Brown wrote:If they were educated a bit...


I'm seeing a flaw in this plan already :lol:
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Post by Gamerancher » 24 Jun 2016, 10:32 am

The problem with Independents is that they are usually at odds with everybody else. They will do deals with either side to elevate themselves to a level where they can then push their own agenda which is usually verging on the extreme or idiotic. Remember that the Greens started out as 1 independent.
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