The Verdict on ch 8. Talking gun laws- face palm!

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Post by KWhorenet » 23 Oct 2015, 9:38 pm

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Let's not also forget that the victims all died from head-inflicted wounds.

He had managed twenty head shots, from the right hip, in 90 seconds EVEN THOUGH HE WAS A LEFT HANDER! There are only about 20 shooters that good (better than Olympians) in the Western World. They are the SPOOKS who work for various governments. Martin stopped shooting after firing 29 shots (of the 30 in a magazine). This leaves a live round in the breech while changing magazines as they found out later. To count while firing at a rate of 48 rounds per minute is a technique that requires tens of thousands of shots to perfect. It is a military skill-at-arms far beyond a mentally retarded youth who fired at a few tins and bits of cardboard in the bush.

Don't immediately slam it down as tin-foil hat crap, this was for real.


Not to argue, but can you show the references to the details you have mentioned above. I'd like to read the lot. Clearly I haven't read all that you, Genesis and others have.

*Edit: never mind, I've found all your info almost word for word here
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/port_arthur.htm
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Post by winchestersx » 24 Oct 2015, 12:03 am

KWhorenet wrote:
Heckler303 wrote:

Let's not also forget that the victims all died from head-inflicted wounds.

He had managed twenty head shots, from the right hip, in 90 seconds EVEN THOUGH HE WAS A LEFT HANDER! There are only about 20 shooters that good (better than Olympians) in the Western World. They are the SPOOKS who work for various governments. Martin stopped shooting after firing 29 shots (of the 30 in a magazine). This leaves a live round in the breech while changing magazines as they found out later. To count while firing at a rate of 48 rounds per minute is a technique that requires tens of thousands of shots to perfect. It is a military skill-at-arms far beyond a mentally retarded youth who fired at a few tins and bits of cardboard in the bush.

Don't immediately slam it down as tin-foil hat crap, this was for real.


Not to argue, but can you show the references to the details you have mentioned above. I'd like to read the lot. Clearly I haven't read all that you, Genesis and others have.

*Edit: never mind, I've found all your info almost word for word here
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/port_arthur.htm


Regardless of the facts, or contorting of the facts regarding the Port Arthur incident there is one fact that cannot be disputed. Martyn Bryant never went to trial therefore state evidence has never been tested. This doesn't mean he is innocent but it does mean the opportunity to fully understand the event was never taken. The authorities decided a trial would be too traumatic for the victims families but how the hell does that make any sense? There have been thousands of murders thoughout Australian history, no doubt traumatic for those families too but why the special treatment for the Port Arthur massacre?

Something also to consider is when you obtain a gun permit you are automatically on the watch list. No criminal record required. You are flagged on L.E data bases, you are monitored on forums like this and from what I understand about Australian gun law you waive your right to refuse L.E warrantless entry to your home. That is what ot means to be a law abiding gun owner.

Forums like this one are monitored and have members with an agenda to stir the pot. I don't mean antis, but professional people trained to force a wedge in the firearms community. It is happening on this forum and other gun forums, at clubs, withing organizations that represent gun owners and at gun shows in Australia and Internationally.
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Re: The Verdict on ch 8. Talking gun laws- face palm!

Post by Heckler303 » 24 Oct 2015, 6:41 am

KWhorenet wrote:

Let's not also forget that the victims all died from head-inflicted wounds.

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*Edit: never mind, I've found all your info almost word for word here
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/port_arthur.htm[/quote]

Yep. That's where I got it from.

still, that meat-truck built almost seemingly built for PA is very sus
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Post by AusTac » 24 Oct 2015, 8:00 am

You couldn't blame someone for really holding onto their tin foil hat after reading all that about the PAM - makes you wonder
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Post by Baronvonrort » 24 Oct 2015, 8:52 am

winchestersx wrote:Martyn Bryant never went to trial therefore state evidence has never been tested. This doesn't mean he is innocent but it does mean the opportunity to fully understand the event was never taken. The authorities decided a trial would be too traumatic for the victims families but how the hell does that make any sense? There have been thousands of murders thoughout Australian history, no doubt traumatic for those families too but why the special treatment for the Port Arthur massacre?

Something also to consider is when you obtain a gun permit you are automatically on the watch list. No criminal record required. You are flagged on L.E data bases, you are monitored on forums like this and from what I understand about Australian gun law you waive your right to refuse L.E warrantless entry to your home. That is what ot means to be a law abiding gun owner.
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Bryant was given a disability pension for mental illness over a decade before he went on a rampage, I would say it didn't go to trial because convictions are difficult with people who have documented mental illness.

Yes all law abiding firearm owners are highly monitored, even more than Isamic terrorists with illegal firearms.
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Post by Sam45 » 24 Oct 2015, 9:14 am

KWhorenet wrote:Check it out. Typical pull heart strings reflecting back to PAM.

An uneducated victims father weighing in on Adler.
Suggested Martin Place seige would have been worse with an Adler vs a pump action.

Hard to swallow this s**t.



Um you can't tell me that guy was not set up and told what to say. What an absolute joke!
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Post by Heckler303 » 24 Oct 2015, 9:28 am

AusTac wrote:You couldn't blame someone for really holding onto their tin foil hat after reading all that about the PAM - makes you wonder


I know right? I don't really want to side with the same people that think the U.S is run by Lizards or the moon landing didnt happen (because they're both obviously a load of crap) but PAM does make me highly sus about what really happened.

Too many coincidences to just say 'It was just a mentally unstable man who did what he did'. From what I've read from the website listed +documents and pdfs about PAM and how it unfolded elsewhere, there different witness reports about who he was and what he was carrying, a black van that moves away from camera view while everyone is fleeing, Martin going from left hand to right hand and back again, scoring near-perfect marksmanship in a very small amount of time from firing fromt the hip, that bloody meat truck that was DESIGNED to hold multiple bodies, somehow turned up ready for it and then was sold off later, police before the PAM happened led off on a wild goose chase that ended up them finding soap instead of caches of drugs, and probably on the most chilling bits of all aside from the unaccounted bodies:

When Anthony Nightingale tried getting up and fleeing from the scene in the Broad Arrow cafe, but seeing Bryant point in his direction, he screamed "No, not here!"

Not here? I know it was a life-or-death situation, but what exactly did Nightingale mean by 'Not here'?
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Post by AusTac » 24 Oct 2015, 9:59 am

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Yes all law abiding firearm owners are highly monitored, even more than Isamic terrorists with illegal firearms.[/quote]

Kinda expect a knock at the door after reading this thread and that website lol
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 24 Oct 2015, 10:36 am

AusTac wrote:

Yes all law abiding firearm owners are highly monitored, even more than Isamic terrorists with illegal firearms.[/quote]

Kinda expect a knock at the door after reading this thread and that website lol[/quote]

We can all rest assured that we will be, as of last week a lot safer, because for the next 2 yrs the police will be able to look back and see that you search up PAM in the google machine....

Yes, we are in the same class as the criminals, our details available on the same (inter)nationally searchable database....and we do waive certain rights if the police 'want' to come into our home .... see the blue lights, may as well unbolt the door for them...
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Post by KWhorenet » 24 Oct 2015, 11:11 am

I, just as everyone else here only have access to what's put out there for us to read often based on opinion.

I really have a hard time allowing myself to believe something this terrible could have been somehow organised by the people paid to protect.

Not just for LAFO's sake, but the nations sake I hope this is proven beyond doubt no matter what transpired. Royal commission comes to mind. There shouldn't be any doubt.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 24 Oct 2015, 7:34 pm

winchestersx wrote:Forums like this one are monitored and have members with an agenda to stir the pot. I don't mean antis, but professional people trained to force a wedge in the firearms community. It is happening on this forum and other gun forums, at clubs, withing organizations that represent gun owners and at gun shows in Australia and Internationally.


Your post sounded balanced until I read this bit ... that's the stuff tin foil hat people are made of.

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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 24 Oct 2015, 7:50 pm

'Shaping the narrative' is a time proven tool of the information war.
Google H A S B A R A .... everyone should do it, it will amaze you,

There are literally 100s of thousand or even a million or more 'agents' around the world infiltrating forums, media article comment sections of articles (and more??) 24/7 to respond to negative opinion, to plant supportive comments, to shout down those against and to support I S R A E L and its actions. ....

There is absolutely no reason to not believe the same occurs in the gun debate... apart from those active posting opinions, David ****** has declared that he is active/observant/subversive? of the forums (remember he tried to join a club!) and there is no doubt the parasite R Browne has an eye in as well.....
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Post by on_one_wheel » 24 Oct 2015, 8:41 pm

<<Genesis93>> wrote:'Shaping the narrative' is a time proven tool of the information war.
Google H A S B A R A .... everyone should do it, it will amaze you,

There are literally 100s of thousand or even a million or more 'agents' around the world infiltrating forums, media article comment sections of articles (and more??) 24/7 to respond to negative opinion, to plant supportive comments, to shout down those against and to support I S R A E L and its actions. ....

There is absolutely no reason to not believe the same occurs in the gun debate... apart from those active posting opinions, David ****** has declared that he is active/observant/subversive? of the forums (remember he tried to join a club!) and there is no doubt the parasite R Browne has an eye in as well.....


If it's on Google then it must be real.

No doubt that government agents may monitor the occasional forum, most likely to follow a suspect.

Next time you recon you see an agent posting on a forum , call him or her out and let's see the response.
Surely it's not hard to prove that your a regular Joe Blogs without giving too much away.
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Post by winchestersx » 26 Oct 2015, 7:30 am

on_one_wheel wrote:
winchestersx wrote:Forums like this one are monitored and have members with an agenda to stir the pot. I don't mean antis, but professional people trained to force a wedge in the firearms community. It is happening on this forum and other gun forums, at clubs, withing organizations that represent gun owners and at gun shows in Australia and Internationally.


Your post sounded balanced until I read this bit ... that's the stuff tin foil hat people are made of.

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"Tinfoil hat"? That is a little 1999 isn't it?. In post Snowden 2015 and most people know tinfoil hats don't work :D
You had a good crack at it though. I'm watching you ;)

Plenty of information and realife examples of it happening.
Here's one explanation taken directly from GCHQ documents on how it is done.
https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
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Post by Elek » 26 Oct 2015, 10:46 am

Aww you've done it now, drawing attention to it they're going to be after you! :lol:
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Post by pajamatime » 26 Oct 2015, 10:39 pm

I have been hearing rumors of a huge court action brewing.
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 27 Oct 2015, 6:42 am

Rumors are worthless if theyre not spread......

Do tell
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Post by Noisydad » 28 Oct 2015, 10:17 am

Tin foil hats DO work if you attach an earth wire to them. Just don't stick the other end of the wire into the earth slot in a power point! :-)
There's still a few of Wile. E Coyote's ideas that I haven't tried yet.
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Post by Bark » 28 Oct 2015, 1:53 pm

<<Genesis93>> wrote:Rumors are worthless if theyre not spread......

Do tell


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