on the run fugitives - Victoria

[<<Genesis93>>]

I can't believe our 'finest' STILL havent found this most wanted father - son team...they are that good at evading the law??...

WTF?

The police car was rammed by the same toyota, yet "it wasnt related to the two"..... then it was....then they caught up with the tojo, yet they didnt pursue ...... because they were ARMED??? sorry, I thought 'we' bought the police sidearms to help in such a circumstance, but apparently their only for use against UNARMED PERPS!!! stand back and allow the 'special' police with their brand new camo gear, AR15s, 45 sidearms and APC!!!!

but thats not the best part;

They are armed with what was described as a HIGH powered rifle.....

Next it becomes a "VERY high powered rifle"

And now... yup, it has become a "VERY VERY high powered rifle" as updated this arvo by the uniformed spokesperson at Wangaratta.... I expect this bulls**t from the media, not the police officers, who I expect to use a little restraint in their words, not being overly emotive and dramatic...

Its either a rifle. or its not a rifle

[AusTac]

"Sergeant there shooting at us !" " Well shoot back!"

[Heckler303]

I dont really see how an SKS is a high powered rifle.


If they were swinging around a M2 Browning 50 cal or a 20mm machine gun on their hip, then I'd say it be almost justified.

[<<Genesis93>>]

Is it an SK??
I understood it was stolen from one of their 'employers'....

'high powered' is generally used for centrefire rifles (which is disagree with), but describing such as Very very..... is ridiculous...

If the police insist on using the HP rifle phrase then I would insist they use the Low-powered rifle phrase for 22rimfires.... which they NEVER do, they use the 'High powered' description on them too.....infuriating

[Strikey]

I thought heard one well informed reporter say that the high powered weapon the fugitives have could punch through a tree trunk and go for several kilometres, obviously she is all over it I hope for the sake of LAFO's there is not a shootout, one can only imagine the calls from the anti's

[<<Genesis93>>]

Thats right, I heard the 'so powerful it would shoot through a tree trunk' line.... must be the DU tipped version of the 7.62Soviet....

If it is an SK though, how would the anti's explain it if they were all removed back in 96/97???

Thats right, it will be one of those grey market guns.... the ones not handed in back when "because illegal guns are very rarely import (black market)...according to the clown giving evidence at the senate hearing.

Be aware the 'grey' term is used to denigrate otherwise lawful firearm owners, who have a licence and registered firearms, but also a few unregistered guns buried in the back yard....ready to be uncovered and sold off to any crim who comes asking.........

[tom604]

i heard it was a 308, they will travel a few klms (not that you would be aiming at anything at that distance) and if it was a small tree,very small, twigish in fact, it may go through it.

saying that, they have more range and stopping power than a handgun and if i were the cops i would bide my time and get them another time. its a job and no job is worth getting killed for.

[AusTac]

saying that, they have more range and stopping power than a handgun and if i were the cops i would bide my time and get them another time. its a job and no job is worth getting killed for.

Thats why SOG and polair joined the party

[<<Genesis93>>]

They've made such a song and dance about these guys, the threat they represent..... constant press conferences in each of the towns theyve gone through.....they HAVE to catch them. Have they actually injured anyone though? apart from property damage/ theft?

But what concerns me is the classification of the rifle (7.62Soviet, or 308win??) which is an average round.....as a VERY VERY high powered rifle (I think it was the assist. commissioner Nugent, not sure).... what then do the police classify the Magnums, 300 or 338+ win mag (also quite common), the RUMs, the weatherbys???? after very very, there are not many superlatives left!! very very very very??? super mega very?? what a joke.... trying to instill fear in the community.

These incident demonstrate the incompetence of the LE agencies, Man Monis was on the radar of the feds.... but he was allowed to do what he did, get hold of firearms...take hostage then LEFT to execute one hostage..... then the police them selves shot one of the captives (dont mention that...let it go...) ..........and NOW that are chasing their tails around THREE STATES looking for these guys, even letting them go BECAUSE THEY WERE ARMED!!!

Ultimately.... the solution, their way to prevent a recurrence of both these types of incidents is the tighten the screws on the law abiding.... we will cop it, to show the nation 'they're doing something to crack down on crime'

[KWhorenet]

Surely now their faces have been displayed, finally displayed even though on the run for seven years, no one would be employing them.

So now they are armed, dangerous and desperate. Things should escalate nicely for the antis soon enough.

[Gwion]

Man... i live under a rock... i have no idea what you're talking about!

How the hell could you possibly be "on the run" for 7 years??? That's one hell of a protracted car chase scene; even Quentin Tarantino would be envious! The officers who started the chase must be nearly up for long service leave.....

Maybe "on the lamb" is a more apt term... "laying low"... "staying off grid".... "in hiding"....

I still have no idea what you are talking about though.

[<<Genesis93>>]

What state are you in Gwion? NZ? these guys apparently started in QLD??? made their way across 4 states now....and the law is still chasing their tails....

Makes a mockery of the firearms laws across the country and proves that its only use is to control the law abiding.......


edit to clarify;
nothing wrong with being a kiwi... after all NZ is a state of the commonwealth. Welcome Kiwi brothers

[Gwion]

Nah... i just don't pay any attention to the news because it drives me nuts and frustrates the hell out of me.

Usually find out about things i need to know with out subjecting myself to a commercialised news service that just tries to sensationalise everything and get everyone into a flap.

[<<Genesis93>>]

I gave up on the commercial networks about the time the reality wave transformed the nation into zombies....but now even the gaybeecee is stuffed, cant rely on getting all the facts, all the important story.... the world caught be burning, but they wont miss the sports an celebrity updates....

I pay attention to stories such as this because with a firearm involved, theres always a spin against legit firearm users and firearms generally

[Heckler303]

I gave up on the commercial networks about the time the reality wave transformed the nation into zombies....but now even the gaybeecee is stuffed, cant rely on getting all the facts, all the important story.... the world caught be burning, but they wont miss the sports an celebrity updates....

I pay attention to stories such as this because with a firearm involved, theres always a spin against legit firearm users and firearms generally

I stopped watching TV all together since last year, so much BS and crap channels we could get meant it was just a waste of electricity more than something decent to watch.

[Oldbloke]

ABC, SBS & NITV the rest are a waste of space.

[happyhunter]

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[Deco]

Along with the "very very" comments I head the other day it was "similar to an AK-47"

[<<Genesis93>>]

i heard it was a 308, they will travel a few klms (not that you would be aiming at anything at that distance) and if it was a small tree,very small, twigish in fact, it may go through it.

saying that, they have more range and stopping power than a handgun and if i were the cops i would bide my time and get them another time. its a job and no job is worth getting killed for.

Sounds like a smart idea. They are traffic police, not soldiers. If the two people on the run really do have a 308 winchester in their hands it has more energy at 1000 yards than a 357 magnum at the muzzle and a much greater effective range than whatever a traffic cop is carrying. The fact they shot at police shows how desperate they are and that makes them dangerous so sooner they are caught the better.

Bit dramatic with the comparo.... 308win at 1000yds would have a fraction of the energy of the 357Mag at muzzle..... but I get the point, a decent rifle round compared to a handgun round, accuracy and range, but a rifle against four black landcruisers and an APC full of M4s and MP5s..... no wonder these guys are bolting across states

[Rocker]

I stopped watching TV all together since last year, so much BS and crap channels we could get meant it was just a waste of electricity more than something decent to watch.

I'm not far behind you.

About 10 minutes a day of news is interesting and the rest is complete crap.

[Baronvonrort]

Along with the "very very" comments I head the other day it was "similar to an AK-47"

Ch 9 news said it was a semi auto SKS with armour piercing bullets.

So where did he get this Cat D ?

[<<Genesis93>>]

...laser guided very very highly very ultra powerful armour piercing DU lethal death gun rifle weapon....

[sandgroperbill]

wow...sounds dangerous. Still, it could be worse. Could you imagine how many people they would have killed and airplanes they would have shot down if they had a lever action shotgun? Either way, I'm glad our strict licensing laws are preventing them from getting anything really dangerous...

[coloradoboy]

that ain't dangerous.

those liberals and left wing communists are dangerous with their disarming of the citizenry obsession

[happyhunter]

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[anthillinside]

7 year + committing similar crimes across 3 states.
So how about LE actually TELLING us about them!
There was a post on this forum earlier this year about tires being slashed, now obviously them!
Perhaps if the word had spread to farmers about them then they would have been caught several years ago.
Now after "They Shot at Police" they become "Australia's Most Wanted"
And because of the apparent inability of the police to anything to capture these two and the police and media hysteria about "Very High Power Firearms" they now feel the need to reassure the public by saying that they have no history of violence towards the public.
The vindictive damage against past employers doesn't seem to count.
A prime example of the inability of the police "Protect us"
NOTE: I do NOT blame the working officers, it's the Law and Order politicians and the high command who remove the ability of acting police (or anyone else for that matter) to to protect anyone.

[Gwion]

Sound's like an extended stay at the BlueStone Bed'n'Breakfast is coming up for these guys.

[<<Genesis93>>]

Bit dramatic with the comparo.... 308win at 1000yds would have a fraction of the energy of the 357Mag at muzzle..... but I get the point, a decent rifle round compared to a handgun round, accuracy and range, but a rifle against four black landcruisers and an APC full of M4s and MP5s..... no wonder these guys are bolting across states

The comparison isn't mine. Somebody that knows better than you or me said it and the data doesn't lie.
24" barrel 1:12 twist shooting M118LR (Federal GMM, 175g SMKs) at 1000 yards = 547 ft-lbs -- vs -- 4" barrel 158g .357 Mag Federal DoubleTap JHPs = 539 ft-lb at the muzzle. You can check that for yourself.

I have no idea how proficient these two pricks are with a rifle although no doubt their number is going to come up.

How do you know they know better then me? did he/or she tell you so??

The beauty about numbers, is just that, they're just numbers, random assortments at times, that can be assembled in various orders to 'prove' anything statement... from numerous combinations of loads.... so choose a load, a projectile and their are limitless combinations, if you want to 'prove' how dangerous the 308win is then a statement will convince the 'majority'.....and make good reading for the masses -

Yes, the media AKA the presstitutes HAVE taken quotes from the forums....so just imagine;

"Fugitive's rifle(s) more powerful at one kilometer (yards is too difficult) than Dirt Harry's hand cannon (or insert other more scary description) at point blank (they always use the 'point blank' without an understanding of the words).... then for good measure they might even mention that its a common type of rifle....

.....but as far as this particular comparison, I selected the hottest pistol load - which makes sense if your comparing the max energy 357Magnum,125gr@1839fps.... I then spoke some reverse Polski to the HP and came up 939 ft.lb Energy at the muzzle.....even the 158 produces 800+ft.lb according to ADI velocities...and these are not even rifle loads.... (so if you want to prove how powerful the 308 is you might even choose lighter or min loads )

While for the 308win, I selected the most popular projectiles 150, 168 and ultimately came up with maximum retained energy of 333 and 476ft.lb at range....respectively...even the 175gr is less than 500ft.lb...


So, with the correct combination the 357Mag is 2x 308win....given that you could get a few more fps from the 357, while the 308win is pushing it to get that energy with ideal conditions not to mention it's a heck of a good deal easier to get the 357 onto target at the zero feet range compared to the 308 at 1000yds, at least for me.....ABC fact check results are in.

cue; long range keyboard snipers

[Heckler303]

ABC, SBS & NITV the rest are a waste of space.

NITV itself deserves to be taken off air with no reason given to do so.

[Tiger650]

These two ****** need to be shot dead and a profitable mini series made to advertise braindead rubbish for the Proles to buy.

More likely though is that they will be apprehended and a team of QC's will increase their wealth before the Stocco's are sentenced to live in a motel, when released they will both get on the dole and all will live happily ever after !

Except of course for Muggins the Taxpayer, call us collateral damage when old age pensioners have to huddle in shopping centers to avoid the cold in winter and eat black and gold brand cat food for sustenance.

The Government are "people cockys"and we are their stock.