NFA review is on TODAY! - 5/11/2015

[<<Genesis93>>]

So today.... it's on like Donkey-Kong!

right now they, the police ministers are sitting around the nice tassy oak conference table, or mountain Ash to be non-discriminatory to all.....

AND CONSIDERING HOW FURTHER they can RESTRICT OUR chosen recreation....

Can you tell?
Gee, look at the absolute filth of News media / News corp - and see what absolutely antigun hysterical propaganda theyre running TODAY! (hint, its no coincidence)

Apart from the constant stream of regurgitated antigun storys, Port Arthur this and that (keep the horror alive!) more guns today than blah blah, Gun - time to act.....
Today; "Gun control: The facts and figures will completely shock you" along with images of the infamous mass shooters of the USA and crime scenes...and associated crap, US bad, AUS good gun laws save lives...

These guys are absolutely the lowest form of existence, feeding the sentiment of support for more controls...
THEY HAVE FORM!
Remembering back to the other end of the 'NFA review' back in 1996....

IT WAS (allegedly) 2 individuals of the NEWSMEDIA employ who broke into M.Bryant's home (he was otherwise occupied at the time) AND STOLE THE FAMOUS IMAGE OF THE AT THAT TIME NOT OFFICIALLY IDENTIFIED individual, ran the story with image on every front page of papers under their banner, and even altered the eyes (remember?) to give him an 'evil' look....

It was also at the same time that it has been alleged, somehow additional firearms and ammunition 'mysteriously' appeared in the home AFTER an extensive search by police TO BE FOUND in the next search (after the break in!).... I would never make the associated of planted evidence and Murdoch /staff...

Well, this is all history isnt it??
No. Not at all.
As far as Newsmedia goes - It's GAME ON. Watch to propaganda seep into all mainstream news and social media channels....

Is it too early for the FOI request covering todays agenda and discussion points?

[southeast varmiter]

There's definitely an agenda going on. I have it on good authority that "authorities" are sponsoring media propaganda to blur genuine criminal activity to legitimate responsible ownership. The amount of media investment would suggest a storm is brewing.

[<<Genesis93>>]

So far, I see press release from VIC pol.min

Victoria supports the integrity of the National Firearms Agreement. Today’s meeting will see further work by senior officials and Police Commissioners on updating the classification of lever-action shotguns. The Council will consider a report on this at its next meeting.
.............I also welcome a review by Victoria Police to identify any potential improvements to our gun laws.

Victoria supports?? maybe the liberal party of.... certainly not those affected directly ie the licensed firearm owners....




Today’s meeting will see further work by senior officials and Police
Commissioners on updating the classification of lever-action shotguns





further work? WTF, this means no unanimous indecision.

NO comfort there.

Message to our government from the people:

Our democracy government is based on the 3 branches of government;

1>LEGISLATURE - 'makes' the laws, the parliament along with its democratic mechanisms and the say of the people!
2>JUDICIARY - the Court system, the judges, interpret the laws and make judgements.
3>EXECUTIVE - Puts the laws into action according to what parliament says! the departments of government, the ministries including Justice (THE POLICE FALL IN THIS GROUP!!!! note its not the first group....not....)

NOTE above, the police are not included in the 'MAKING LAWS' section of our government!!!!! (did I mention that????)

WHY TF are we so ACCEPTING of the police, registries, 'senior officers group' commissioners DICTATING POLICY........ if the response from our representatives is ANYTHING other than thank you for your position, we will seek advice from our masters, you know the people, quaint concept, yes, THE PEOPLE!!!

THIS IS SO WRONG, BUT THE PEOPLE, your friends, your relatives, your neighbours are thinking about the Melbourne Cup, those chicks who were so wasted they fell over, those blokes, same, biffing, the Rugby world cup, ooh gee the Kiwis beat us, Kim Kardashian and the other f*** stick are on the rocks again, updates status on farcebook....

That you dont think twice

f***... I'm moving to Russia
f*** this.
Putin, the devil incarnate has returned the right to carry arms to his people... no wonder the lib-neo-con-socialist-commie-multisexual-diverse-no-borders west is hates him s much Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark , and we're chasing our tails over a bunch of soy-laaaatay-commies gun grabbing tards....

I need a drink.....

[Heckler303]

I need a drink.....

I'd say at least 4 or 5 shots at least mate

[<<Genesis93>>]

I need a drink.....

I'd say at least 4 or 5 shots at least mate

Last thing I'd want to do is influence a young fella...... but just quietly, i passed that point a while earlier.....

[brett1868]

I need a drink.....

I'd say at least 4 or 5 shots at least mate

No more then 5 or you'll be reclassified...

[<<Genesis93>>]

Not drunk enough t miss the best part of today...

David Shiitbridge get officially smacked down by, was it the Acting Premier of NSW???

Review put off, the ministers to be advised further .....

[<<Genesis93>>]

Gee I'm glad they didnt re-cat the Adler to D today...... given that the greens were pushing a petition to recat to C...

https://www.communityrun.org/petitions/ ... on-shotgun

f***ing morons.
How low can you go fuktards

[Heckler303]

I need a drink.....

I'd say at least 4 or 5 shots at least mate

No more then 5 or you'll be reclassified...

To Cat D'runk

Dang it, I can't one of those on a minors permit.

oh well, I got cat M for milkshakes

[adam]

From my prospective. (This may get some people upset which is not my intention)...

Firstly Port Arthur was a tragedy. I'm not sure if "keeping the horror alive" is the right termanology. For those that it has affected, it will affect for the rest of their lives, and shouldn't be belittled. If it was one of my family that were killed, remarks like that would have me seeing red and fighting against you til the end.

The problem isn't that they keep bringing PA back up - the problem is that they keep using it in a twisted way for their agenda's. We too should be sympathising with the victims - but in a caring way showing them that the gun reforms that were brought in had no effect, and giving some better answers / solutions than are currently given.

Anyone who tries to downplay the massacure that happened at PA is going to lose - period. (And IMO they should). Focus needs to be on the reforms that were made, and the zero impact it had to crime. On the way that the only people affected were law abiding people, or the secret Agenda's and policies that are made. On the way the media treated it, on the cover ups / false evidence, etc... But please don't belittle people's concerns about the actual deaths that occurred. We need to try and stop that from happening again - but in an effective way. (I'd say CC but obviously that's not going to go down well in Oz )

While I'm at it - I've got to admit I'm also over the slagging of these people as well that I've seen in this and other threads. I can understand firearm owners being upset about what GCA are trying to achieve, and the way they do it. But "Lowest form of existance?" Seriously? I can think of many others that are lower than them. (Terrorists, Pedophiles, etc).

Disagree with what they're saying. Disagree with the way they are going about it. Absolutely. But attacking them personally just reflects badly - and from my perspective (even as a firearm owner that understands where your coming from) - it lowers our credibility significantly. If anyone else was to read these posts they'd probably think everyone here is a bunch of rednecks who just slag people that disagree with them.

For what it's worth - I believe that people's lives are more important than someone's recreation. If I believed that taking firearms off us would have a real effect on terrrorism and crime - I'd be the first to volunteer my firearms in. But I know otherwise, and I can see the games that are being played. That's what needs to be deal with.

The issue is that people are tunnel focused on the wrong area of the problem, so the "solutions" they put in place are having little to no impact, and distracting from the real issues. Added to this is the possible agenda's to take our guns away from us (for what reason I don't know).

I appreciate your passion. I appreciate what you're trying to do. I'm thankful for the informative information that you post here on the forum. The reason I post this is I want to encourage you so that your passion is effective and isn't used against you for the personal attacks, etc. This is a public forum and I can almost guarantee you that there are many others that visit and observe what is posted here. Let's be the 'bigger' ones in this.

[southeast varmiter]

I think one needs to put this all into perspective. What we see here is only part of a mass social engineering racket. For which disarming the public is one pillar. Political correctness another. A few more which I will not list (see the engineering is powerful:) )
Our society has been hijacked to some degree. The only saving grace is that whilst we have a democracy getting unanimous rapid decisions is difficult.
But they are also working eliminating that too. Just take U.S. Britain and E.U. As examples.

[Baronvonrort]

From my prospective. (This may get some people upset which is not my intention)...

Firstly Port Arthur was a tragedy. I'm not sure if "keeping the horror alive" is the right termanology. For those that it has affected, it will affect for the rest of their lives, and shouldn't be belittled. If it was one of my family that were killed, remarks like that would have me seeing red and fighting against you til the end.

The problem isn't that they keep bringing PA back up - the problem is that they keep using it in a twisted way for their agenda's. We too should be sympathising with the victims - but in a caring way showing them that the gun reforms that were brought in had no effect, and giving some better answers / solutions than are currently given.

Anyone who tries to downplay the massacure that happened at PA is going to lose - period. (And IMO they should). Focus needs to be on the reforms that were made, and the zero impact it had to crime. On the way that the only people affected were law abiding people, or the secret Agenda's and policies that are made. On the way the media treated it, on the cover ups / false evidence, etc... But please don't belittle people's concerns about the actual deaths that occurred. We need to try and stop that from happening again - but in an effective way. (I'd say CC but obviously that's not going to go down well in Oz )

Bryant was given a disability pension for mental illness over a decade before he went on a rampage, he never held a firearms licence these are facts that should be pointed out with PA.

The NSW Firearms act 1989 had provisions to deny people with mental illness a firearms licence so Bryant could not have a license in NSW.

Keeping guns away from those with mental illness is a good thing, any doctor-nurse-or even a social worker can decide if someone is fit enough to have guns, all they have to do is fax this form off to firearms registry, quite a few people are ignorant of this provision in the firearms act.
www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf ... h_2013.pdf

The Cusamano widow told the GCA media conference her husband was shot with a pistol stolen from a security guard, I had a look in her husbands shop while waiting for a pizza months before he was killed, it was one of the best and biggest video game shops in Sydney at the time, lots of happy kids going in and out of that shop.

[David Brown]

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[<<Genesis93>>]

It has been said that Bryant had a 'fake' licence, in the name of Ryan instead of Bryant, as I recall, though he has said during interview that 'he' didnt have a licence.... what to believe...

As far as todays shenanigans, VICPOL with their 'we're going after the criminals and illegal guns'....
I do (not) accept those words what-so-ever. They have declared that they want less guns and they make no distinction between registered / unregistered, legal/illegal.....their press release subsequent to the NFA review/love-in should give zero comfort to LAFOs;
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http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/news/82 ... -team.html

Proactive illicit firearms investigations team
Thursday, 05 November 2015 14:25

Victoria Police Crime Command has established a proactive investigating team following the recent increase in firearms incidents within Victoria.

The proactive illicit firearms investigations team will be based within the Purana Task Force with their primary focus being the prevention of shootings and the disruption of the supply of firearms.

The team will investigate identified incidents of organised firearms trafficking and will seek to identify linkages between firearm related burglaries and organised crime groups.

The team will work closely with regional police and the Armed Crime Squad and Santiago Task Force.

The Armed Crime Squad will continue to investigate non-fatal shootings, however will work closely with the team to ensure any evidence or intelligence related to firearms trafficking is forwarded to the team for active investigation.

The team will have a strong intelligence capability which will ensure it has the capacity to identify trends along with cross-regional and cross-border linkages.

Deputy Commissioner Shane Patton said disrupting the supply of firearms will result in a decrease in firearms incidents across Victoria.

“Victoria Police knows tackling organised crime is a huge issue and we recognise a proactive approach is needed to ensure firearms are not falling into the hands of criminals.

“Identifying links between firearms thefts and organised crime groups will enable investigators to target those groups and disrupt their activities.

“We are committed in our endeavour to prevent further shootings and believe this targeted approach will lead to a decrease in the number of firearms in our community and ultimately save lives.”

Sergeant Sharon Darcy

Media Officer

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Did you see that? subtle wasnt it, not really;

“We are committed in our endeavour to prevent further shootings and believe this targeted approach will lead to a decrease in the number of firearms in our community and ultimately save lives.”

All they needed was one word before firearms; illegal, but they left it out..... It wasnt an oversight.


recalling the recent Senate hearing on firearms, that great trojan horse by the Greens in the vain hope of convincing all that ALL guns must be banned;

Day 1 of evidence-
Senator LEYONHJELM: The availability of the firearms is the issue, not the wrong hands?
Det. Supt De Santo (VICPOL): It is part of both. If there are more weapons available, then Victoria Police say that there is more risk of them falling into the wrong hands and then we have more risk of injury to people and of the commission of serious offences.

VICPOL submission excerpt:
"Victoria Police suggests that all firearms are lethal weapons, and any greater number of firearms being available increases the risk of them being used to facilitate crimes, and to injure or kill people."

So, interpret that....

This opinion is reflected by all pol unions, and police departments.
Would the equal opportunity commissions be staffed and directed by individuals who openly declare they are against immigrants, refugees, gays, disabled, other races because THEY believe they represent a risk??? Of course not. If there was any hint of bias against those parties they are involved with and make determinations for..... they would be out on the ears quicker than you can say discrimination......
In a fair/just world they would be called out for their declared bias and an independent Authority would be established to manage firearm licensing........ but thats only wishful thinking....

[southeast varmiter]

There was talk of SA adoring the UK firearms model of having "slots" by category including ammunition slots. Even after you seek a firearms you have to apply for a new "slot" to get another.

[on_one_wheel]

So far, I see press release from VIC pol.min

Victoria supports the integrity of the National Firearms Agreement. Today’s meeting will see further work by senior officials and Police Commissioners on updating the classification of lever-action shotguns. The Council will consider a report on this at its next meeting.
.............I also welcome a review by Victoria Police to identify any potential improvements to our gun laws.

Victoria supports?? maybe the liberal party of.... certainly not those affected directly ie the licensed firearm owners....




Today’s meeting will see further work by senior officials and Police
Commissioners on updating the classification of lever-action shotguns





further work? WTF, this means no unanimous indecision.

NO comfort there.

Message to our government from the people:

Our democracy government is based on the 3 branches of government;

1>LEGISLATURE - 'makes' the laws, the parliament along with its democratic mechanisms and the say of the people!
2>JUDICIARY - the Court system, the judges, interpret the laws and make judgements.
3>EXECUTIVE - Puts the laws into action according to what parliament says! the departments of government, the ministries including Justice (THE POLICE FALL IN THIS GROUP!!!! note its not the first group....not....)

NOTE above, the police are not included in the 'MAKING LAWS' section of our government!!!!! (did I mention that????)

WHY TF are we so ACCEPTING of the police, registries, 'senior officers group' commissioners DICTATING POLICY........ if the response from our representatives is ANYTHING other than thank you for your position, we will seek advice from our masters, you know the people, quaint concept, yes, THE PEOPLE!!!

THIS IS SO WRONG, BUT THE PEOPLE, your friends, your relatives, your neighbours are thinking about the Melbourne Cup, those chicks who were so wasted they fell over, those blokes, same, biffing, the Rugby world cup, ooh gee the Kiwis beat us, Kim Kardashian and the other f*** stick are on the rocks again, updates status on farcebook....

That you dont think twice

f***... I'm moving to Russia
f*** this.
Putin, the devil incarnate has returned the right to carry arms to his people... no wonder the lib-neo-con-socialist-commie-multisexual-diverse-no-borders west is hates him s much Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark , and we're chasing our tails over a bunch of soy-laaaatay-commies gun grabbing tards....

I need a drink.....

Don't worry about it. .. I doubt that they are even quoting anyone, It's just the media coupled with anti's trying to create their own reality. They think that they can invent an outcome favourable to the likes of The Project panel and other nutbag anti gun peanuts.

I'm seeing positive stuff in our favor more often now in the news. GCA , the greens , lib and labour anti's are being exposed for what they are.

[<<Genesis93>>]

Yes, the anti's have been discredited, but the Ministers have again deferred to the police departments to advise them again ....damn right on the 20th anniversary of PAM....whodathunkit.... and who will be the saviour of humanity / torch bearer this time.... seeking to emulate Little jonnie? I'm guessing Keenan the incompetent. He obviously didnt get his way this time, will he next time and what bargaining chip will they use to 'sway' the states? Maybe an extra 50% GST funding straight to the states, how could they resist an extra 30Billion dollars (assuming the base is not broadened!)

[Redwood]

There was talk of SA adoring the UK firearms model of having "slots" by category including ammunition slots. Even after you seek a firearms you have to apply for a new "slot" to get another.

I'm not getting it

Slots? How does that work?

[southeast varmiter]

There was talk of SA adoring the UK firearms model of having "slots" by category including ammunition slots. Even after you seek a firearms you have to apply for a new "slot" to get another.

I'm not getting it

Slots? How does that work?

For each category you have a max number of slots. Eg 3 centre fire. You also get fixed number of slots for ammo caliber. Eg 308 with maximum in your inventory at any one time 1200 rds etc. Max purchase any one time around 300.
It's all recorded. And when you sell, a slot is not automatically freed up. You need to apply to re-instate it.

In the positive side you can own semi auto 22, shotguns and pump shot.

[sandgroperbill]

Ammo slots... Does each round have a unique serial number? Do you then have to report the serial numbers of the rounds that you have fired? How do they know how many you've fired, and therefore, how much you have on hand?
There are sooooooooooooo many problems with this...

[adam]

Indeed. The number of ammunition or guns really isn't an issue. (Although it's something the media loves to milk). It reminds me of the movie "The Peacemaker':

I'm not afraid of the man who wants ten nuclear weapons. I'm terrified of the man who only wants one.

You can own all the guns in the world. Someone intent on doing harm won't use a lot - they'll only use what they can carry...

[<<Genesis93>>]

ammo slots and ammo serial numbers....

almost as good as the idea of micro-serial numbers on firing pins.....aka microstamping...



Guess which state in the USA???

enter -



an infallible proposition

[southeast varmiter]

Ammo slots just count how much ammo your allowed to hold at any one time. Not sure how that works for reloading

[David Brown]

Guess which state in the USA???

Ahh the land of fruit 'n' nuts.

The concept of microstamping is kinda "scientifical" ……some will get the gag there

And the CA market will dry up of choices as they all drop off the list. Gun control by deception.

[<<Genesis93>>]

I'd like to say gun control by stealth, but its not even stealth, its overt blatant... the courts even stated in justifying their decision that the 2nd amendment didnt say what TYPE of guns the have a right to....

[southeast varmiter]

I'd like to say gun control by stealth, but its not even stealth, its overt blatant... the courts even stated in justifying their decision that the 2nd amendment didnt say what TYPE of guns the have a right to....

Given the second amendment is about the citizenry removing a government that's out of control. One could argue that the public has right to equal firepower to the military.

[vexesus]

I'd like to say gun control by stealth, but its not even stealth, its overt blatant...

They just think they're being stealthy.

[<<Genesis93>>]

I'd like to say gun control by stealth, but its not even stealth, its overt blatant... the courts even stated in justifying their decision that the 2nd amendment didnt say what TYPE of guns the have a right to....

Given the second amendment is about the citizenry removing a government that's out of control. One could argue that the public has right to equal firepower to the military.

I think its more about the people giving a government a limit to their (a government's) powers..... the the government take it as a start point and as a limitation on the individuals powers (rights).

Just like the Australian Consitution; its a limitation on the powers of the 'State' not a starting point.....successive 'governments' have however utterly corrupted the concept, enacting laws they didnt have the right to enact, using the document as a suggestion....a good example is the plethora of Federal environment laws.... try to find a single mention of the environment in our constitution.... not there. How does the fed explain/justify the laws? Well, they are necessary (environmental laws that is) to satisfy our international treaty obligations, or something to that effect.... they tell us ( not to preserve the tree and air for the children someone think of the children..... and the green bellied frilled red crested swamp frog)

I'm not suggesting we have no environmental controls, I'm suggesting we never gave the right to legislate on the specific matter of the environment to our representative back in from 1890's.... Perhaps they considered the other mechanisms were sufficient, trade, commerce, transport, production, communication, fisheries.....

[Supporter]

And when you sell, a slot is not automatically freed up. You need to apply to re-instate it.

[Spudman75]

Ammo slots... Does each round have a unique serial number? Do you then have to report the serial numbers of the rounds that you have fired? How do they know how many you've fired, and therefore, how much you have on hand?
There are sooooooooooooo many problems with this...

Yeah collect the fired brass and projectile and hand it into a police station to free up a slot