juststarting wrote:Title_II wrote:You have 24 million people. I know we are talking shootings, but if you have 2 public, non-gang mass killings per year (I think you do every year) then you have a higher rate than we do. I know that can be sliced and diced a number of different ways, with differing opinions, but you do have to admit it's not all that different from OZ.
I am not sure removing gang-related violence is the way to go, gangs, I am just guessing here, are typically not concerned about collateral and sharp shooting is not on the top of the day-to-day operational agenda. Also, what is classed as a gang? How do you distinguish between gang shooting and just your normal criminals shooting? What if a criminal who is doing the shooting is part of a gang but shooting in anger? Or shooting in anger at a gang? Removing an entire vertical just because it makes the numbers look better is probably not the way to go. That said, I am also under the impression that there are hotspots in US that skew the entire country. Anyway, I am inclined to say it is a lot different. Anyway, before I jump into that ribbit hole, I need to read a little more about it.
It's not to "make the numbers look better." The FBI tracks public mass shootings because they consider them a special type of crime, which they are. Trust me, the FBI has no interest in making the numbers look better. Matter of fact, until this year, they have been very impartial for decades, and better than anything else in the world.
As for "excluding terrorism," I didn't say that. That is included in the FBI numbers in the US.
Speaking of which, France had more people killed in "mass shootings" this year than the US has had in years totaled together. And they are 1/5 the population of the US.
Remember, US ranks 5th for per capita risk of mass shootings compared to Europe, OZ, and Canada over the past 10 years. And the bunch of you take 3 out of the top 5, including the top 2.
Use the DOJ for research. You will find half of the murdered in the US are black, even though they are 12% of the population. You may not want to believe it, but you are safer visiting my town than Canada. Not because my town has some special low murder rate, simply because you are not black.