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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 28 Feb 2016, 9:29 am

Norton wrote:
RoginaJack wrote:he opposed the sports shop 'cause it was too close to the pristine beaches and the Burleigh Heads CBD.


lol wtf?


Its like in the movies... when the evil character emanates a brown or black mist of pure evilness that drift towards the happy places and the good people and turns them.... same with evil gun peoples, their presence turns everything bad....

The grabtards have lost the connection with reality and the real world, just listen to them whenever they speak of guns...whether from the mouths of the greens in parliaments are their minions on the streets, the SamLee crew et al....
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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 28 Feb 2016, 9:35 am

disco2 wrote:Update,

The Gold Coast City Council is now going to vote on this proposal on 7/3/2016.

So if you live in the area , just make sure you remember the names of Councillor Greg Betts (who won't yet commit to let on how he will vote), the State Member Michael HART (who is just a grub and should go back to his regular job as a labourer at the council tip) and our ever present idiot Mayor who has difficulty in stringing a coherent sentence together.

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The state member should stick his nose out of local council politics and issues, back the eff away, leave it to the Council to 'enforce' the planning controls..... as it stands there is no reason why this change of use to a very minor retail use should be prevented, given that the area is dominated by retail used.... not to mention the next door MMA 'shop'...(is it still there? was it even mentioned?).

This should have gone through without a hint of controversy and I would suggest that if opposed, then each and every slightly unsocial use application should be opposed..... as we know, shooting is one of if not THE most highly regulated activities in this land, the these pieces of @#$% portray a shop as some kind of threat, to the children and families :evil: :evil:
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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by AnotherMisfire » 28 Feb 2016, 7:56 pm

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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 28 Feb 2016, 8:10 pm

Emailing will achieve nothing, most likely deleted by office staff - better option is to drop in his twitter feed or Faceache page :thumbsup:

Also drop it into the comment sections relating to the story if possible, and if they publish of course...
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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by disco2 » 09 Mar 2016, 8:53 am

Update,

Now these 'people' , and I use the term loosely have put off making a decision until AFTER the Council Elections and the date is 6/4/2016.
Gutless wonders who are after the money in the job rather than look after jobs creation.
Make sure you who live in the area vote out Councillor BETTS.
At least then he can make a decision - to get another job..

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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by disco2 » 06 Apr 2016, 8:49 am

Update.
Today, is the day the spinless rodents from the Gold Coast City Council make a decision on this application.
One bit of GOOD news is that we got rid of the local councillor Greg Betts at the last council elections.
Would not make a commitment as to how he would vote, so out he goes.
Now, DO NOT forget it the decision goes against the applicant, then so to we get rid of that other rodent Michael HART, the State Member who started this objection nonsense.
Wait with baited breath that common sense prevails.

Will advise of the outcome.

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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 06 Apr 2016, 10:34 am

disco2 wrote:Update.
Today, is the day the spinless rodents from the Gold Coast City Council make a decision on this application.
One bit of GOOD news is that we got rid of the local councillor Greg Betts at the last council elections.
Would not make a commitment as to how he would vote, so out he goes.
Now, DO NOT forget it the decision goes against the applicant, then so to we get rid of that other rodent Michael HART, the State Member who started this objection nonsense.
Wait with baited breath that common sense prevails.

Will advise of the outcome.

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There doesnt seem to be any logical reason to vote this down, going by the similar commercial uses nearby and many other reason...

If they do go the 'someone think of the children' and 'stop the guns' route, they know QCAT will most probably look at it from a legal / lawful perspective, leave the emotive crap at the door and overturn councils decision.... maybe council know that and will allow QCAT the 'privilege' of allowing the use to avoid possible flak....
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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by Sam45 » 06 Apr 2016, 7:55 pm

So do we have a result on the new store?
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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by disco2 » 06 Apr 2016, 8:25 pm

Nothing up on the Gold Coast City Council Development Application tracker as yet.
So, at this stage no news is good news - I hope.

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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by disco2 » 07 Apr 2016, 3:36 pm

Update,

These Rodents have put off making a decision now until 6th May.

We got rid of the local councillor Greg BETTS (at the last Council elections) who along with the State Member Michael HART started this effort to deny this small business.

So, I have written to the State Member and advised him that as he is against small business he will be the next victim, when the State Government elections come about. Remember this rodents name. MICHAEL HART.

He is last on you electoral vote card. He MAY be able to source a new job as a Labourer at the local tip, but I doubt it. Too technical for him.

Greg BETTS is still shaking/scratching his head wondering what happened and why he was voted out.

He forgot the power of the local law abiding firearms owners.

Will keep you updated.

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Post by Bourt » 13 Apr 2016, 2:58 pm

disco2 wrote:(who won't yet commit to let on how he will vote)


That would be a no then.
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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by disco2 » 20 May 2016, 7:05 pm

Update,

This proposal has 'apparently' been approved despite the objections.

There is one sting in the tail. The shop is not allowed to display any advertising.

Time to go and black out the Local Members advertising and see how he copes.

It won't be opened until Christmas apparently.

Just remember the Local Member of Parliaments' name. MICHEAL HART.

Vote this rodent out as he is anti small business.

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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 20 May 2016, 7:19 pm

What does that mean?? They can't have a business sign?? Thats BS... restriction of trade or some such....
Object.
Object.
Object.

But yay for the approval.... should have been rubber stamped months ago.
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Post by scotty87 » 20 May 2016, 7:45 pm

<<Genesis93>> wrote:What does that mean?? They can't have a business sign?? Thats BS... restriction of trade or some such....
Object.
Object.
Object.

But yay for the approval.... should have been rubber stamped months ago.


It's pretty ridiculous, especially considering how many adult stores and strip joints litter the CBD down there, not discreetly either.
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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 20 May 2016, 7:47 pm

I recall theres even a needle exchange there?!!
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Post by scotty87 » 20 May 2016, 10:45 pm

<<Genesis93>> wrote:I recall theres even a needle exchange there?!!


lol probably, I don't get the whole "think of the children" thing going on in this country, I used to work as a litter man for local government and the amount of requests the public put in for me to remove roadkill, in country areas, as they didn't want their children to see the "distressing sight" as they walked home from the bus stop, freaking kids are wrapped up in cotton wool, destined to grow up into insecure left wing greens voters. :allegedly:
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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by adam » 21 May 2016, 11:22 am

disco2 wrote:There is one sting in the tail. The shop is not allowed to display any advertising.


Under what pretense? This seems to be straight out discrimination. What is the reason they've given that they want no advertising. (Or did they simply not give one)?

I think that cricket shouldn't allowed to be advertised... you know... with some of the illegal way cricket bats are used. :roll:
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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by disco2 » 22 May 2016, 9:16 am

What is the reason they've given that they want no advertising. (Or did they simply not give one)?

I have absolutely no idea on how the Rodents from the Council Committee came up with this gem.
Who knows how their tiny, tiny brains operate. However, if I do find out, I will let the Forum know.
Must think that if the place can't advertise it will simply fade away.
Won't happen. Will be taken to court and as usual - Councils lose.
It's just disgusting that it has taken the operator of a small business just over a year to get operational because some rodent State Parliamentarian doesn't like firearms and stirred up the non thinking, brainless, blue rinse brigade to submit objections. At least the committee saw thru that.
Well - I don't like him and will do everything to ensure he does not get re-elected.
We simply cannot afford to have anti small business people in Government.

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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 22 May 2016, 9:59 am

I can not get anything from the website of the Gold Coast Socialist republic.....else there should be info in the meeting minutes (19/5?)

http://www.goldcoast.qld.gov.au/minutes ... -2680.html

The website loads like I have gone back in time and have set the 28.8 to 4800bps!! then the referenced documents simply dont load....they would be trying to keep information from the common people would they (not just shooters) or just playing funny buggers
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 23 May 2016, 10:24 am

finally got something.... interesting read :roll: -

The Shop will be limited to a total gross floor area of 41m²


a year or so to get an ok for a permit that involves no actual 'development' other than being permitted to sell stuff .... in an area obviously populated by other places that sell stuff... or provide services for a fee...:thumbsup: you go red tape!!.... no wonder our nations doing so well....if it was an outreach program for a certain minority of the community that apparently has more support than I expected here... it would have been green-lighted over night

.....due to the nature of the facility and goods sold, it is better suited in areas away from major commercial activity centres.
There you go council, keep perpetuating the stereo types and myths.... what do you say when this attitude is so ingrained, that it bridges the lunatic fringe and passes into the planning authority too :unknown: keep it away from where you know, 'normal' people might see a licensed firearm owner buying a gun or a box of ammo...

It is considered that a proposal of this nature is better suited in a fringe business area away from a major activity centres due to potential negative social, amenity and security impacts.
:unknown: Personal opinion has no place when a proposal is measure against a specific criteria. This individual, or group, believe there is a potential for a licensed gun owner to go postal while entering or departing this business...

There is no prohibition on advertising, it simply requires a further application of approval under the relevant local laws.... it could have been handled under the planning, but this way council can extract / extort more $$$ out of the applicant.
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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by agentzero » 23 May 2016, 11:50 am

It's always mostly about the $$$
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Post by disco2 » 14 Jun 2016, 7:20 am

Hi Guys, (politically incorrect, but who cares), :mrgreen:

Update on the Advertising issue.
I have finally been given a copy of the Decision Notice on this proposal and Clause 18 (Advertising ) states:-

a. The applicant shall ensure that all advertising devices are static and have no characteristic indicating the premise is a Gun Shop. No neon or illuminated signage is permitted.
b. The applicant shall ensure that only one (1) sign is displayed for the shop (Gun Shop). The sign shall be affixed to the premises and shall not display words or images that explicitly promote the sale of guns to the satisfaction of the Chief Executive Officer.

What a load of garbage.
Just goes to show that the person or persons who ensured the inclusion of this nonsense in the decision should be dismissed from the Gold Coast Council as it clearly show they are unable to make decisions without bias or emotionalism.

So now the owner of this no name shop is required to run a business without advertising his wares and as has been pointed out in previous posts,Brothels in the area have very non discrete advertising.

Brothels for the deviates, needle exchanges for the low life drug scum, but Oh! No, no advertising a premises that is / will be frequented by Law abiding people.

Something is clearly wrong in the values of our skewed society. :evil:

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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 14 Jun 2016, 9:50 am

disco2 wrote:.....
a. The applicant shall ensure that all advertising devices are static and have no characteristic indicating the premise is a Gun Shop. No neon or illuminated signage is permitted.
b. The applicant shall ensure that only one (1) sign is displayed for the shop (Gun Shop). The sign shall be affixed to the premises and shall not display words or images that explicitly promote the sale of guns to the satisfaction of the Chief Executive Officer.


Thats laughably ridiculous...
You can advertised but not indicate a gunshop? so maybe word it as "this is NOT a gunshop ;) " then in a small font beneath "we are prohibited from advertising a gunshop on these premises"

The statement doesnt appear in the minutes nor conditions, sound like a random nonsense that wasnt voted on by council, perhaps its the referred 3 page secret attachment.

The would get thrown out by QCAT in no time.... I'd like to think.
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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by disco2 » 14 Jun 2016, 11:24 am

Certainly hope you are correct Genesis93 in that QCAT would throw out this clause on appeal.

I only received the Decision paperwork because I made a written submission in support of the shop.

I'm with you in that I have never heard anything so utterly stupid in my entire life.

As I stated, all I can think of is that it has been added by people who are driven by bias and emotionalism.

They need to be weeded out of councils as how may other decisions do they make, that ultimately all they do is waste both time and money.

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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 14 Jun 2016, 9:40 pm

Although I was convinced a long time ago.... I had a refresher tonight at a council meeting - punter finally got his planning permit to build a house for his family, modest house, nothing spesh..... first submitted the application in 2008. yup, 8yrs....

Councils are full of #$%^* who only want to stop other from doing stuff they should otherwise not need to beg permission for.

They should be deleted from the state law books as they are not recognised by the constitution, neither the commonwealth, even though they throw billions at local councils as 'grants'.... they waste billions of dollars of ratepayers funds that they extort from the home/landowners...while aggrandising their own bureaucratic empires...


This particular application should not have even required a planning permit. It was built, just a matter of rearranging the 'stuff' inside...
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Post by OODAH » 17 Aug 2016, 3:34 pm

So are the rumors true? Is the Gun shop going ahead?
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Re: Burleigh Heads Proposed Gun Shop - BAN

Post by disco2 » 18 Aug 2016, 2:27 pm

Yup,

Past the appealing stage.

Was approved by Council on 24/6/16.

Almost one whole year from the initial date of application. No idea on when it will actually open as has some pretty crazy limits imposed by Council.

Just always remember the name of that Rodent local State Government member who is a Grub and Anti Small Business, except if it is a Brothel or Needle Exchange Service. He did his utmost to stop it. Did not work, so clearly he is useless at getting things done.

MICHAEL HART. Piss him off in the next election.

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Post by Spudman75 » 18 Aug 2016, 7:50 pm

Good to hear.
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Post by Sam45 » 18 Aug 2016, 8:11 pm

disco2 wrote:Yup,

Past the appealing stage.

Was approved by Council on 24/6/16.

Almost one whole year from the initial date of application. No idea on when it will actually open as has some pretty crazy limits imposed by Council.

Just always remember the name of that Rodent local State Government member who is a Grub and Anti Small Business, except if it is a Brothel or Needle Exchange Service. He did his utmost to stop it. Did not work, so clearly he is useless at getting things done.

MICHAEL HART. Piss him off in the next election.

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yep the guy is a parasite! Good to see they won. Now hurry up and build it and take my money :) Michael who? He was a councillor where? Oh that turd :thumbsup:
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Post by bigtone » 18 Aug 2016, 8:24 pm

disco2 wrote:Yup,

Past the appealing stage.

Was approved by Council on 24/6/16.

Almost one whole year from the initial date of application. No idea on when it will actually open as has some pretty crazy limits imposed by Council.

Just always remember the name of that Rodent local State Government member who is a Grub and Anti Small Business, except if it is a Brothel or Needle Exchange Service. He did his utmost to stop it. Did not work, so clearly he is useless at getting things done.

MICHAEL HART. Piss h
im off in the next election.

Cheers

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At least the poor business owner is used to getting a hard time because wait till constable CB from QLD weapons licensing starts making up laws to suit his opinion at the time and then instructs the business owner that he will follow those rules or else! Of course those instructions will be verbal so there is no proof, but it will cost too much in court to challenge the authority of CB.
Good luck to him! He might save himself some pain and move over the border like I did. Then CB won't have any jurisdiction over him.
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