Title_II wrote:I watched about 1/3 of the video. These guys are about 20 years behind the times. Has any of them ever met Wayne LaPierre? I have. He practically stared down the barrel of my loaded AR-15 and went so bananas about "Assault Weapons Bans" that I thought he might whip something out and shoot all 3,000 of us there if anybody contested it.
Like I said, NRA has some Fudds, but NRA leadership is all in, Gun Generation 2.0 now, and has been for quite a while. 2A for the sake of 2A. Weapons for the sake of defense and independence. You guys saw the two video series we had on here a couple months ago. It is pretty clear what they stand for and it is their public face.
They do still support hunting and sport, and there is nothing wrong with it. The most common classes NRA instructors teach are self defense classes.
I think these two bumpkins have been hanging out too much at some Fudd gunshop or at Arfcom and have not spent enough time paying attention to what is going on or getting involved in it. They are very uniformed. Even the idea that the one guy first heard the term "Fudd" a few days ago suggests he doesn't drop his sister and get outside much.
Title_II wrote:No worries, mate.
I know exactly how you feel!
We have Fudd problems as well. I was just explaining that the video was a little off-base in my opinion. NRA has a Fudd history, but their American Rifleman magazine has a black rifle on the cover almost every issue and they added a new magazine 10 years ago dealing strictly with 2A and killing bad guys. Others might disagree with me, but these two seemed kind of out of touch.
anthillinside wrote:As an IT acronym about 20 years ago Fear Uncertainty and Doubt (the spreading of)
Basically a negative form of "Spin”
Just another way to sway others to your point of view.
But the Elmer reference works for me to.
Title_II wrote:If you carry a fun in Australia you will go to jail.
Heckler303 wrote:anthillinside wrote:As an IT acronym about 20 years ago Fear Uncertainty and Doubt (the spreading of)
Basically a negative form of "Spin”
Just another way to sway others to your point of view.
But the Elmer reference works for me to.
I thought a fudd was like the sound a useless cartridge makes when you fire it.
Guess fudds really are useless
pajamatime wrote:Heckler303 wrote:anthillinside wrote:As an IT acronym about 20 years ago Fear Uncertainty and Doubt (the spreading of)
Basically a negative form of "Spin”
Just another way to sway others to your point of view.
But the Elmer reference works for me to.
I thought a fudd was like the sound a useless cartridge makes when you fire it.
Guess fudds really are useless
I was shown this recently and if you watch the whole thing you come to realize that it was the Fudds that caused our problems to begin with and if that makes you mad at their behavior then you have ever right to be but its probably best you politely tell them that you won't tolerate what they are doing to gun rights in this country.
Title_II wrote:If you carry a fun in Australia you will go to jail.
Heckler303 wrote:pajamatime wrote:Heckler303 wrote:anthillinside wrote:As an IT acronym about 20 years ago Fear Uncertainty and Doubt (the spreading of)
Basically a negative form of "Spin”
Just another way to sway others to your point of view.
But the Elmer reference works for me to.
I thought a fudd was like the sound a useless cartridge makes when you fire it.
Guess fudds really are useless
I was shown this recently and if you watch the whole thing you come to realize that it was the Fudds that caused our problems to begin with and if that makes you mad at their behavior then you have ever right to be but its probably best you politely tell them that you won't tolerate what they are doing to gun rights in this country.
Exactly. Put into a different scenario, here is an equivalent scenario to what fudds in the shooting community are like:
Imagine you have a favourite restaurant you like eating at, it serves really good food and fine drinks, so you go there to have some really great dishes. Some people like spicy food, others like the deserts, some stick with juicy steaks, but then you get to the ones who only decide to eat the one dish everytime, and it as basic as basic can be, so bland and uninteresting, but they don't want anything else. Lets say its just a plate with one bit of tofu on it, and a glass of water.
Suddenly, the restaurant's rivals and people who dislike the restaurant start to file complaints. Saying stuff like the spicy food is too spicy and dangerous to be given to people. Restaurant now can't sell the spicy food, so everybody who liked suddenly go without it. Guy with tofu doesn't even try to stop it from happening, he keeps on being stuck in his own universe eating tofu. He might even be supporting that dish off the menu.
Now we have a batch of those in the restaurant still who want to keep going there, they join up with the desert crew, and really enjoy their cakes and ice cream. Suddenly, rival companies and people who dislike shop start up again and spin yarns that the deserts cause diabetes and rot kids teeth. For public safety, they take all the deserts off the menu. The people who liked the deserts protest, but to no avail, the cakes are gone. The guy with his tofu still doesn't care one bit.
So suddenly, we find the last group enjoying the juicy steaks that , mixed in with people who still really want to keep going there are one of the only ways this restaurant can make a profit and keep going. Rivals and the people who dislike the shop come in again, then complain about how the steaks cause heart disease, bringing up biased evidence and literally junk so that they can have the steaks removed from the menu. Then, the store takes off them too. Even after all the protests to keep them up there, they no longer can produce them to the public that really like the shop. This goes on and on, removing this drink, this bread, this cracker, down and down, while the guy who only eats tofu still gos there and sits in the corner, watching as the place turns into a hollow shell. Yet, he still couldn't give a damn about it.
finally, he goes to the restaurant, when no one else is there, only to find out it has been closed down due to bankruptcy. He sits at the doors and screams that he can't get his own way, shouting at passing people that they never helped stop this from happening. So whatnow? He realises his selfishness cost him everything, because he never understood that really, they all were in it together. This is the reason our gun rights have been stripped away, because selfish asshats never stood up and fought. They only care when its their firearm that is in the eyes of big brother. Then we all have to gang up with them to stop it from happening, though they never did it for us.
juststarting wrote:I was pretty sure that fudd is - Elmer Fudd. That is, a dude or dudette who cares about their thing - in this instance, for example, hunting rifle, but nothing else, like handguns or semi-auto rifles, etc. Pretty much the Australian shooting community in the past. Well, I don't shoot this, so I don't care rather than having a united front.
This is different to FUD https://tails.boum.org/news/index.en.htmlwhich is an IT acronym for 'fear, uncertainty and doubt', another name for a scare campaign.
BBJ wrote:Elmer Fudd is right.
Only cares about their one specific discipline and not the bigger picture.
pajamatime wrote:Heckler303 wrote:pajamatime wrote:Heckler303 wrote:anthillinside wrote:As an IT acronym about 20 years ago Fear Uncertainty and Doubt (the spreading of)
Basically a negative form of "Spin”
Just another way to sway others to your point of view.
But the Elmer reference works for me to.
I thought a fudd was like the sound a useless cartridge makes when you fire it.
Guess fudds really are useless
I was shown this recently and if you watch the whole thing you come to realize that it was the Fudds that caused our problems to begin with and if that makes you mad at their behavior then you have ever right to be but its probably best you politely tell them that you won't tolerate what they are doing to gun rights in this country.
Exactly. Put into a different scenario, here is an equivalent scenario to what fudds in the shooting community are like:
Imagine you have a favourite restaurant you like eating at, it serves really good food and fine drinks, so you go there to have some really great dishes. Some people like spicy food, others like the deserts, some stick with juicy steaks, but then you get to the ones who only decide to eat the one dish everytime, and it as basic as basic can be, so bland and uninteresting, but they don't want anything else. Lets say its just a plate with one bit of tofu on it, and a glass of water.
Suddenly, the restaurant's rivals and people who dislike the restaurant start to file complaints. Saying stuff like the spicy food is too spicy and dangerous to be given to people. Restaurant now can't sell the spicy food, so everybody who liked suddenly go without it. Guy with tofu doesn't even try to stop it from happening, he keeps on being stuck in his own universe eating tofu. He might even be supporting that dish off the menu.
Now we have a batch of those in the restaurant still who want to keep going there, they join up with the desert crew, and really enjoy their cakes and ice cream. Suddenly, rival companies and people who dislike shop start up again and spin yarns that the deserts cause diabetes and rot kids teeth. For public safety, they take all the deserts off the menu. The people who liked the deserts protest, but to no avail, the cakes are gone. The guy with his tofu still doesn't care one bit.
So suddenly, we find the last group enjoying the juicy steaks that , mixed in with people who still really want to keep going there are one of the only ways this restaurant can make a profit and keep going. Rivals and the people who dislike the shop come in again, then complain about how the steaks cause heart disease, bringing up biased evidence and literally junk so that they can have the steaks removed from the menu. Then, the store takes off them too. Even after all the protests to keep them up there, they no longer can produce them to the public that really like the shop. This goes on and on, removing this drink, this bread, this cracker, down and down, while the guy who only eats tofu still gos there and sits in the corner, watching as the place turns into a hollow shell. Yet, he still couldn't give a damn about it.
finally, he goes to the restaurant, when no one else is there, only to find out it has been closed down due to bankruptcy. He sits at the doors and screams that he can't get his own way, shouting at passing people that they never helped stop this from happening. So whatnow? He realises his selfishness cost him everything, because he never understood that really, they all were in it together. This is the reason our gun rights have been stripped away, because selfish asshats never stood up and fought. They only care when its their firearm that is in the eyes of big brother. Then we all have to gang up with them to stop it from happening, though they never did it for us.
excellent post m8! Thank you.
Title_II wrote:If you carry a fun in Australia you will go to jail.
on_one_wheel wrote:I don't think it's fair to label individuals in the shooting community as " fuds " or " part of the problem "
We have 2 distinct players
Shooters and anti gun activists
Most shooters simply enjoy shooting and some are passionate enough and have the time to activity lobby in our favor ... most just shoot.
Anti gun activists have only 1 job to do ... activity campaign against us.
I think the real dease of the shooting community is anti gun activists.
Title_II wrote:If you carry a fun in Australia you will go to jail.
on_one_wheel wrote:I don't think it's fair to label individuals in the shooting community as " fuds " or " part of the problem "
We have 2 distinct players
Shooters and anti gun activists
Heckler303 wrote:on_one_wheel wrote:I don't think it's fair to label individuals in the shooting community as " fuds " or " part of the problem "
We have 2 distinct players
Shooters and anti gun activists
Most shooters simply enjoy shooting and some are passionate enough and have the time to activity lobby in our favor ... most just shoot.
Anti gun activists have only 1 job to do ... activity campaign against us.
I think the real dease of the shooting community is anti gun activists.
The ones that will accept legislation willy nilly, argue against ownership of certain types of firearms e.t.c are the assholes that are just plain lazy. Fudds are what gun control advocates love, so naturally we should do our best to remove as many as possible.
Wylie27 wrote:Heckler303 wrote:on_one_wheel wrote:I don't think it's fair to label individuals in the shooting community as " fuds " or " part of the problem "
We have 2 distinct players
Shooters and anti gun activists
Most shooters simply enjoy shooting and some are passionate enough and have the time to activity lobby in our favor ... most just shoot.
Anti gun activists have only 1 job to do ... activity campaign against us.
I think the real dease of the shooting community is anti gun activists.
The ones that will accept legislation willy nilly, argue against ownership of certain types of firearms e.t.c are the assholes that are just plain lazy. Fudds are what gun control advocates love, so naturally we should do our best to remove as many as possible.
Why would we remove anyone from our incredibly small user base???
Yes there are fuds, there are fuds in every day life for every hobby, sport and recreation.
So whether we have fuds or not is irrelevant as their number needs to be counted in our overall strength..
Where our problem lies is representation. Like the anti's keep saying the "gun lobby"
How can you expect shooters to be unified when our so called gun lobby is fractured.
We have the
SSAA
Shooters Union
NRAA
And then the Facebook groups
FOU
OSA
Vic firearms council
Etc
And not one of them speaks for ALL disciplines..
There is nearly 1,000,000 shooters in Australia politicians should be scared of that number but the reality is we are fractured so badly from the individual to our representation.
I don't know what the answer is. We need a clean out at the ssaa and they to start being more like the NRA as they already have the numbers and no one else is close to those numbers.
Removing fuds as I see it would hurt our numbers too much.
Title_II wrote:If you carry a fun in Australia you will go to jail.
Wylie27 wrote:Heckler303 wrote:on_one_wheel wrote:I don't think it's fair to label individuals in the shooting community as " fuds " or " part of the problem "
We have 2 distinct players
Shooters and anti gun activists
Most shooters simply enjoy shooting and some are passionate enough and have the time to activity lobby in our favor ... most just shoot.
Anti gun activists have only 1 job to do ... activity campaign against us.
I think the real dease of the shooting community is anti gun activists.
The ones that will accept legislation willy nilly, argue against ownership of certain types of firearms e.t.c are the assholes that are just plain lazy. Fudds are what gun control advocates love, so naturally we should do our best to remove as many as possible.
Why would we remove anyone from our incredibly small user base???
Yes there are fuds, there are fuds in every day life for every hobby, sport and recreation.
So whether we have fuds or not is irrelevant as their number needs to be counted in our overall strength..
Where our problem lies is representation. Like the anti's keep saying the "gun lobby"
How can you expect shooters to be unified when our so called gun lobby is fractured.
We have the
SSAA
Shooters Union
NRAA
And then the Facebook groups
FOU
OSA
Vic firearms council
Etc
And not one of them speaks for ALL disciplines..
There is nearly 1,000,000 shooters in Australia politicians should be scared of that number but the reality is we are fractured so badly from the individual to our representation.
I don't know what the answer is. We need a clean out at the ssaa and they to start being more like the NRA as they already have the numbers and no one else is close to those numbers.
Removing fuds as I see it would hurt our numbers too much.
Title_II wrote:If you carry a fun in Australia you will go to jail.
Wylie27 wrote:Heckler303 wrote:on_one_wheel wrote:I don't think it's fair to label individuals in the shooting community as " fuds " or " part of the problem "
We have 2 distinct players
Shooters and anti gun activists
Most shooters simply enjoy shooting and some are passionate enough and have the time to activity lobby in our favor ... most just shoot.
Anti gun activists have only 1 job to do ... activity campaign against us.
I think the real dease of the shooting community is anti gun activists.
The ones that will accept legislation willy nilly, argue against ownership of certain types of firearms e.t.c are the assholes that are just plain lazy. Fudds are what gun control advocates love, so naturally we should do our best to remove as many as possible.
Why would we remove anyone from our incredibly small user base???
Yes there are fuds, there are fuds in every day life for every hobby, sport and recreation.
So whether we have fuds or not is irrelevant as their number needs to be counted in our overall strength..
Where our problem lies is representation. Like the anti's keep saying the "gun lobby"
How can you expect shooters to be unified when our so called gun lobby is fractured.
We have the
SSAA
Shooters Union
NRAA
And then the Facebook groups
FOU
OSA
Vic firearms council
Etc
And not one of them speaks for ALL disciplines..
There is nearly 1,000,000 shooters in Australia politicians should be scared of that number but the reality is we are fractured so badly from the individual to our representation.
I don't know what the answer is. We need a clean out at the ssaa and they to start being more like the NRA as they already have the numbers and no one else is close to those numbers.
Removing fuds as I see it would hurt our numbers too much.
Title_II wrote:If you carry a fun in Australia you will go to jail.