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Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by juststarting » 28 Feb 2016, 3:01 pm

So with elections coming up, I thought it would be a good time to get this thread going - who is who, so to speak. Per state, who has friendly firearms policies, nominations, who get's the preferences, etc.

Be good for everyone to start brain dumping here. That is, who should swinging voters vote for if they are interested in better firearms regulations and all other things being equal (not that they are the same for those of us who vote below the line - you shouldn't ignore other policies, but for this thread lets assume all things being equal, other than firearms policies.
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by Gwion » 28 Feb 2016, 3:19 pm

Ha!
I wonder if i'm going to get a letter saying i didn't vote again. Last election i know of at least 5 people attended the vote and where subsequently fined for not voting. Myself and my wife included.

Our political system is a joke and completely ineffectual.

Rant over. Enjoy your politicking.
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by Oldbloke » 28 Feb 2016, 8:29 pm

I dont vote for pigs.

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I only vote for independents now.
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Post by juststarting » 28 Feb 2016, 8:44 pm

Names, who, etc. That's what I am asking.
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Post by sandgroperbill » 28 Feb 2016, 9:43 pm

Gwion, your problem is you only voted once, so they only removed you once from the head count
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Post by Supporter » 08 Jun 2016, 9:15 am

Gwion wrote:I wonder if i'm going to get a letter saying i didn't vote again. Last election i know of at least 5 people attended the vote and where subsequently fined for not voting. Myself and my wife included.


I've had the same thing a few times.

Systems down, take down your details to show you did try and vote, f*** knows where that goes, failure to vote letter arrives :problem:
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by adam » 08 Jun 2016, 5:23 pm

Gwion wrote:Ha!
I wonder if i'm going to get a letter saying i didn't vote again. Last election i know of at least 5 people attended the vote and where subsequently fined for not voting. Myself and my wife included.

Our political system is a joke and completely ineffectual.

Rant over. Enjoy your politicking.


Vote twice this year - just to be safe. ;)

Did you end up having to pay the fine, or were you able to let them know of their mistake. (The mistake of not having you down as voted that is - not the mistake of letting the two main players and greens get seats :) )
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Post by pete1 » 08 Jun 2016, 6:30 pm

Heard Australian Country Party pro shooting and hunting, but don't know much about them.
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Post by Baronvonrort » 08 Jun 2016, 6:46 pm

The Liberal Democrats have a list of what seats they are contesting, posted about 6 hours ago

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Post by on_one_wheel » 10 Jun 2016, 9:38 am

Oldbloke wrote:I dont vote for pigs.

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I only vote for independents now.

Keep a close eye on where the preference goes with the independents.
I was keen on Nick X in SA until I found out his preferences go to the greens :? according to the fishers shooters farmers party.

Im still waiting to see a how to vote guide from them.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 10 Jun 2016, 9:43 am

The are so many political parties claiming to be "standing up for shooters "
This will dilute our pulling power a great deal.

For me its The Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party.
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 10 Jun 2016, 10:26 am

yep, "vote early, vote often" they say...

"Have you voted elsewhere today sir?" is the standard question..
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"um, there was.... ah... over at... umm......not including.......... No. Not yet"
-pause-
"I'll take that as a 'no' then sir"
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Who do you vote for?
Presently there is NO ONE representative or party that ticks all my boxes....sure, there are some who claim to support gun owners, but to the extent that they dont propose FURTHER restrictions... thats not good enough.

Its all about compromise.

Those who are more so pro-gun, just fall over elsewhere, and frankly if the we are a nation of jobless families with masses who cant feed their children.....but we have less gun control - thats not a worthy solution.

Deals done to sell off a state's electricity asset for ever - while being thrown a very temporary pro-shooters bone..... that is unconscionable.

At the moment I see it as a case of voting for the devil you know, that who will place the commies who support gun control, immigration, open borders and further biasing personal tax toward the high earners to favor the 'proleteriat' LAST. LAST. LAST.

Your vote should ideally go to not a party, but an individual who will take your WILL and that of the electorate - to parliament. Then proposed laws and vote accordingly...novel concept.

Although that is the idea of our system, it has been so utterly corrupted by generations of party politics (along with hypnotised newspaper and tv 'believers') that the system is no longer recognisable. The system doesnt even provide for a prime minister, but we believe it because we told it is so. Its 'convention' which means that it is done... simply because it is done, and was done previously... :wtf: Convention covers a LOT of what these guys do.

But Who to vote in a rigged system where your WILL means less than nothing (suggesting such a frivolity would result in ridicule) so then in some cases that may mean voting Lib. but the preferences must be considered. These guys are expert at flowing preferences to achieve their ambitions. Vote to cause the least damage to our quality of life...

......pending the revolution :allegedly: :P

Labor, should be preferenced with the greens.....regardless of the discourse, they are 2 peas in a philosophical pod.
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Post by Norton » 10 Jun 2016, 11:06 am

<<Genesis93>> wrote:yep, "vote early, vote often" they say...

"Have you voted elsewhere today sir?" is the standard question..
-Pause-
"um, there was.... ah... over at... umm......not including.......... No. Not yet"
-pause-
"I'll take that as a 'no' then sir"
:lol:


Today? Depends on which time zone you're referring to :lol:
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Post by adam » 10 Jun 2016, 12:54 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:I was keen on Nick X in SA until I found out his preferences go to the greens :?


Seriously?!? I thought Nick seemed like a switched on kinda guy. I disagreed with some of the stuff he said, but in the whole he seemed like one of the better politicians I've seen in a while.

The greens........ Nick...... ? :wtf:

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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 10 Jun 2016, 2:26 pm

YES. Nick Xenophia is 'better'.... but the bar is quite low.

Remember Nick supports the changes to the voting system because it will tend to keep the lower ranks of the unwashed independents out of parliament....He was one proclaiming how this somehow strengthens demo-crazy... sure, whatever. Hw only supports the changes because he knows he doesnt need preference deals to get in...
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Post by adam » 10 Jun 2016, 2:29 pm

Does it matter who Nick (or anyone else supports) - if the voter votes below the line. (ie, does voting below the line null and void their preferences and override it with the voters)?

Seems like the better option would be to vote below the line on each one if that's the case?
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 10 Jun 2016, 2:36 pm

below the line voids their deals....
But you're voting for a fraud. refer previous comment
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Post by Tiger650 » 16 Jun 2016, 7:45 pm

For the second time I will not vote for the Libs and I have never voted for labor and will not this time around.
We had a Prime minister who worked hard to contain Govt for the sake of Govt and a bunch of slimy self interested cowards knifed him, the grubs were cowed by the incessant hatred spewed by the ABC and Fairfax.
Witness the complete and abrupt change from spend less to tax more and also the completely different attitude of the ABC and Fairfax toward their new pet Malcolm.
I reckon it is about time a chunk of the Libs vote vapourised, if an acceptable independent is not a choice I suggest that we do not endorse "the least worst".
My feeling is that the Libs will win but I hope not or at least returned with a razor thin majority, they then may consider who they have pissed off with their conduct.
Malcolm Turnbull is widely regarded within the Lib rank and file as a Fabian Socialist imposed upon them by a corrupt caucus.
That bloody Bronwyn Bishop is the nastiest piece of work amongst them.
We as LFAOs are neither respected nor represented, Turnbull and his grubby crew will sell our rights at the drop of a hat to curry favour with the media elites.
Just my two bobs worth but consider it, I for one have no desire to live in what is rapidly becoming a one party state.
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Post by AusTac » 16 Jun 2016, 8:09 pm

Bunch of over paid idiots, no one will be getting my " vote "
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 16 Jun 2016, 8:10 pm

Not much I can disagree with..... malcolm turdfull is more 'progressive' than many laborites and as such had no place in a supposedly conservative party and should certainly not lead it and its government..
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Post by Oldbloke » 16 Jun 2016, 9:14 pm

juststarting wrote:Names, who, etc. That's what I am asking.

In the senate,
Katter
Shooters fishers party
Ricky Muir
Xenophone
Liberal democrats
Even one nation
To name a few.
The greens, liberal, labor all last. They are out of touch and screw the average punter. Driven by self interest intead of "what they can do for the country"

When a single party has control of both houses it is a DICTATORSHIP.

I HOPE LIKE HELL IT IS A HUNG PARLIMENT.
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 17 Jun 2016, 9:00 am

Oldbloke wrote:I HOPE LIKE HELL IT IS A HUNG PARLIMENT.


...and when you say hung... do you mean hung or HANGED....??

I fully support jobs growth too!
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Post by adam » 17 Jun 2016, 10:48 am

Tiger650 wrote:Malcolm Turnbull is widely regarded within the Lib rank and file as a Fabian Socialist imposed upon them by a corrupt caucus.


Agreed. I wonder if this whole double disillusion is Malcolms way of getting his friends elected. (Aka Labour). He's more left than most of the Labour party - and I've always felt as though he's a traitor within the Liberal ranks. Probably not - but nothing would surprise me these days which is sad.

My opinion is that Labour & Liberal will both damage this country more than they will fix it - just in different ways. Liberals border policy (which seems warm hearted on the surface, but just invites more loss of lives and illegal trafficing) is a big issue - as is their complete lack of understanding on economic matters and desire to put minorities (except gun owners) and their union buddies above the rest of the population.

It seems as though Labour are more dumb when it comes to handling the country - and a lot of their policies that make things worse are done with ignorance, whereas liberals come along as being more intelligent when handling the country - but are just as dangerous because they use their strength to do intentional damage and put the resources into the hands of their 'friends'. The NBN, privatisation, selling of Australia's gold reserves, giving land to internationals even when they weren't the highest bidder, etc...

The polls are laughable: Which is your preferred prime minister? Might as well have a poll asking which terrorist would you prefer to be killed by. A religious one, or a psychopath, and then when one 'wins' they boast that that's what the people want. :roll:

Very few people I talk to want either in government - but most will vote one way or the other because they 'fear' the other more. Great way to run a country... :crazy:
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Post by happyhunter » 17 Jun 2016, 10:53 am

The corruption of both major parties has reached epic proportion. The political games being played to secure power by the three major players and keep the electorate scared (therefore people are unable to make constructive chocs based on reason) are deliberate and sinister.

These elections mean nothing because the result is predetermined by people whom we will never know the names.
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Post by Baronvonrort » 17 Jun 2016, 12:33 pm

Oldbloke wrote:
juststarting wrote:Names, who, etc. That's what I am asking.

In the senate,
Katter
Shooters fishers party
Ricky Muir
Xenophone
Liberal democrats
Even one nation
To name a few.
The greens, liberal, labor all last. They are out of touch and screw the average punter. Driven by self interest intead of "what they can do for the country"

When a single party has control of both houses it is a DICTATORSHIP.

I HOPE LIKE HELL IT IS A HUNG PARLIMENT.


I am not sure about Xenophon he votes with the Greens most of the time, does anyone have anything with his position on firearms?

I agree with Labor-Liberals and the Greens are not only out of touch but appear to be on another planet they deserve the last places.
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Post by von_klitzing » 17 Jun 2016, 8:52 pm

Check out how this new party works...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_(political_party)
https://voteflux.org/

I am sick of the pollies lies. I'm turning my back on them. I want my say in my hands. I'm not interested in chinese whispers when it comes to how our country is run! Our political system is a joke and everyone knows it. I'm not voting for some clown to ruin my life. I'm voting for a fundamental change in the political system. Goodbye libs, goodbye labs, goodbye lies. .I..

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Post by Oldbloke » 18 Jun 2016, 8:38 am

<<Genesis93>> wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:I HOPE LIKE HELL IT IS A HUNG PARLIMENT.


...and when you say hung... do you mean hung or HANGED....??

I fully support jobs growth too!
Theres at least a couple of weeks worth of work for a gang of carpenters :unknown:


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Post by bluerob » 18 Jun 2016, 10:38 am

Just finished reading the editorial in the latest edition of the APA magazine.

I've read elsewhere that the SSAA is "apolitical." Is this correct? I've emailed and phoned, but, no response. Lady I spoke with could only "take a message and have one of the guys call you back." Didn't happen.

The largest representative organisation for LAFO is "apolitical" whereas the APA is urging members to support the SFFP. Interesting.....

I know where I'll be writing number 1.

The Adler drama is only the beginning.....
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 18 Jun 2016, 11:00 am

What or who is APA?

Yes, SSAA takes the 'safe' middle ground of apolitique....
They, as an org prefer the status quo.
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Post by bluerob » 18 Jun 2016, 12:19 pm

<<Genesis93>> wrote:What or who is APA?

Yes, SSAA takes the 'safe' middle ground of apolitique....
They, as an org prefer the status quo.


The APA is the Australian Pistol Association. Google them and have a read of their website. I'm not a spokesperson on their behalf, just a member and really disappointed with what I am reading.

This month's APA magazine discusses the recent "Insight" program on SBS that was promoted as "we are making a programme to dispel the myths about shooting in Australia." Turned into a program where we were hammered. Biased to the eyeballs. The media playing with the truth, yet again. Robert Brown did a great job trying to dispel the lies that are being promoted.

The magazine also discusses some issues that you guys should be aware of.

I don't think that I'm allowed to post the Editorial, but, if you know any pistol shooters, have a read. There's issues mentioned that are very important, whether you shoot .44 mag pistols or .375 rifles.

Mate, the biggest organisation that supports shooters :allegedly: is "apolitical" when we have a dedicated political party that has made enormous efforts to ensure that we aren't shooting single shot .22's only. :clap: Apart from selling useless gear, what has the SSAA actually done to support us, on a political front, where it totally counts? Never!

I've sadly been around for too many years and the shifting attitude towards LAFO is nothing short of extraordinary. The constant attack on us is bordering on a human rights abuse. I don't want to read like a "screamin banshee," but, unless our representatives get more "political" then I don't know that we can't beat the Green loopies on our own?

Its obvious that there's quite a few dissatisfied and disappointed shooters who have formed "break away" organisations like Shooters Union. Why has this happened?

Its a real pity that we can't get all of our representatives under 1 roof, all of them fighting for our right to participate in a sport of our choosing.

The SFFP has a "how to vote card" available on their website if you're unsure about how to complete the card, if you choose to vote for THE ONLY political party that cares about our future.

Here's hoping.....
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