Elections are pretty close... 2016

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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by AusTac » 16 Jun 2016, 8:09 pm

Bunch of over paid idiots, no one will be getting my " vote "
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 16 Jun 2016, 8:10 pm

Not much I can disagree with..... malcolm turdfull is more 'progressive' than many laborites and as such had no place in a supposedly conservative party and should certainly not lead it and its government..
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by Oldbloke » 16 Jun 2016, 9:14 pm

juststarting wrote:Names, who, etc. That's what I am asking.

In the senate,
Katter
Shooters fishers party
Ricky Muir
Xenophone
Liberal democrats
Even one nation
To name a few.
The greens, liberal, labor all last. They are out of touch and screw the average punter. Driven by self interest intead of "what they can do for the country"

When a single party has control of both houses it is a DICTATORSHIP.

I HOPE LIKE HELL IT IS A HUNG PARLIMENT.
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 17 Jun 2016, 9:00 am

Oldbloke wrote:I HOPE LIKE HELL IT IS A HUNG PARLIMENT.


...and when you say hung... do you mean hung or HANGED....??

I fully support jobs growth too!
Theres at least a couple of weeks worth of work for a gang of carpenters :unknown:
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by adam » 17 Jun 2016, 10:48 am

Tiger650 wrote:Malcolm Turnbull is widely regarded within the Lib rank and file as a Fabian Socialist imposed upon them by a corrupt caucus.


Agreed. I wonder if this whole double disillusion is Malcolms way of getting his friends elected. (Aka Labour). He's more left than most of the Labour party - and I've always felt as though he's a traitor within the Liberal ranks. Probably not - but nothing would surprise me these days which is sad.

My opinion is that Labour & Liberal will both damage this country more than they will fix it - just in different ways. Liberals border policy (which seems warm hearted on the surface, but just invites more loss of lives and illegal trafficing) is a big issue - as is their complete lack of understanding on economic matters and desire to put minorities (except gun owners) and their union buddies above the rest of the population.

It seems as though Labour are more dumb when it comes to handling the country - and a lot of their policies that make things worse are done with ignorance, whereas liberals come along as being more intelligent when handling the country - but are just as dangerous because they use their strength to do intentional damage and put the resources into the hands of their 'friends'. The NBN, privatisation, selling of Australia's gold reserves, giving land to internationals even when they weren't the highest bidder, etc...

The polls are laughable: Which is your preferred prime minister? Might as well have a poll asking which terrorist would you prefer to be killed by. A religious one, or a psychopath, and then when one 'wins' they boast that that's what the people want. :roll:

Very few people I talk to want either in government - but most will vote one way or the other because they 'fear' the other more. Great way to run a country... :crazy:
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by happyhunter » 17 Jun 2016, 10:53 am

The corruption of both major parties has reached epic proportion. The political games being played to secure power by the three major players and keep the electorate scared (therefore people are unable to make constructive chocs based on reason) are deliberate and sinister.

These elections mean nothing because the result is predetermined by people whom we will never know the names.
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by Baronvonrort » 17 Jun 2016, 12:33 pm

Oldbloke wrote:
juststarting wrote:Names, who, etc. That's what I am asking.

In the senate,
Katter
Shooters fishers party
Ricky Muir
Xenophone
Liberal democrats
Even one nation
To name a few.
The greens, liberal, labor all last. They are out of touch and screw the average punter. Driven by self interest intead of "what they can do for the country"

When a single party has control of both houses it is a DICTATORSHIP.

I HOPE LIKE HELL IT IS A HUNG PARLIMENT.


I am not sure about Xenophon he votes with the Greens most of the time, does anyone have anything with his position on firearms?

I agree with Labor-Liberals and the Greens are not only out of touch but appear to be on another planet they deserve the last places.
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by von_klitzing » 17 Jun 2016, 8:52 pm

Check out how this new party works...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_(political_party)
https://voteflux.org/

I am sick of the pollies lies. I'm turning my back on them. I want my say in my hands. I'm not interested in chinese whispers when it comes to how our country is run! Our political system is a joke and everyone knows it. I'm not voting for some clown to ruin my life. I'm voting for a fundamental change in the political system. Goodbye libs, goodbye labs, goodbye lies. .I..

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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by Oldbloke » 18 Jun 2016, 8:38 am

<<Genesis93>> wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:I HOPE LIKE HELL IT IS A HUNG PARLIMENT.


...and when you say hung... do you mean hung or HANGED....??

I fully support jobs growth too!
Theres at least a couple of weeks worth of work for a gang of carpenters :unknown:


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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by bluerob » 18 Jun 2016, 10:38 am

Just finished reading the editorial in the latest edition of the APA magazine.

I've read elsewhere that the SSAA is "apolitical." Is this correct? I've emailed and phoned, but, no response. Lady I spoke with could only "take a message and have one of the guys call you back." Didn't happen.

The largest representative organisation for LAFO is "apolitical" whereas the APA is urging members to support the SFFP. Interesting.....

I know where I'll be writing number 1.

The Adler drama is only the beginning.....
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 18 Jun 2016, 11:00 am

What or who is APA?

Yes, SSAA takes the 'safe' middle ground of apolitique....
They, as an org prefer the status quo.
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by bluerob » 18 Jun 2016, 12:19 pm

<<Genesis93>> wrote:What or who is APA?

Yes, SSAA takes the 'safe' middle ground of apolitique....
They, as an org prefer the status quo.


The APA is the Australian Pistol Association. Google them and have a read of their website. I'm not a spokesperson on their behalf, just a member and really disappointed with what I am reading.

This month's APA magazine discusses the recent "Insight" program on SBS that was promoted as "we are making a programme to dispel the myths about shooting in Australia." Turned into a program where we were hammered. Biased to the eyeballs. The media playing with the truth, yet again. Robert Brown did a great job trying to dispel the lies that are being promoted.

The magazine also discusses some issues that you guys should be aware of.

I don't think that I'm allowed to post the Editorial, but, if you know any pistol shooters, have a read. There's issues mentioned that are very important, whether you shoot .44 mag pistols or .375 rifles.

Mate, the biggest organisation that supports shooters :allegedly: is "apolitical" when we have a dedicated political party that has made enormous efforts to ensure that we aren't shooting single shot .22's only. :clap: Apart from selling useless gear, what has the SSAA actually done to support us, on a political front, where it totally counts? Never!

I've sadly been around for too many years and the shifting attitude towards LAFO is nothing short of extraordinary. The constant attack on us is bordering on a human rights abuse. I don't want to read like a "screamin banshee," but, unless our representatives get more "political" then I don't know that we can't beat the Green loopies on our own?

Its obvious that there's quite a few dissatisfied and disappointed shooters who have formed "break away" organisations like Shooters Union. Why has this happened?

Its a real pity that we can't get all of our representatives under 1 roof, all of them fighting for our right to participate in a sport of our choosing.

The SFFP has a "how to vote card" available on their website if you're unsure about how to complete the card, if you choose to vote for THE ONLY political party that cares about our future.

Here's hoping.....
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by Baronvonrort » 19 Jun 2016, 2:02 pm

Gun laws are a state issue which means it's vital to vote 1 for SFFP in state elections.

This is a federal election which is why I will put LDP at 1 with SFFP at 2, Leyonhjelm is excellent at a federal level and the Shooters Union NSW- LDP rep Peter Whelan is contesting New England.
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by Member-Deleted » 20 Jun 2016, 2:02 pm

I can understand people not wanting to vote, in some cases, especially in the lower house, there is bugger all choice, but in the senate, there is a good range of choice.

Shooters should consider giving their vote to one of the pro firearm parties, there are three that have dedicated pro firearm policies, the SFFP, LDP and Country Minded.

There are those that don't have specific pro firearms policies, yet can be considered as supportive of shooters such as the KAP.

There are some parties that while not being described as pro firearms , are not really against us either, such as Family First and One Nation.

There are those that have expressed sentiments that could be considered as being anti firearm such as Jacqie Lambie Network and the Glen Lazarous Party.

Then there are the obvious demons foremost being the Greens and Labor, followed by the Mature Australia Party and the Coalition.

Those shooters that do not intend to vote at all, I can only ask that they consider at least voting in the upper house, (senate) and vote for the pro shooting parties, even if they put in an informal vote in the lower house, at least it gives a pro shooting party the chance to get a senator up, which is a good chance in NSW.

By giving your number 1 vote to the SFFP, it will send a message that you are voting on shooting issues as a shooter, even if you prefer another pro shooting party, still consider giving your second preference to the SFFP.

If the SFFP get a strong primary vote count, this will be noticed by who ever forms government, hopefully it will make them aware that there is significant support for shooting and hunting and less likely to want to annoy us.
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by bluerob » 21 Jun 2016, 8:55 am

Member-Deleted wrote:I can understand people not wanting to vote, in some cases, especially in the lower house, there is bugger all choice, but in the senate, there is a good range of choice.

Shooters should consider giving their vote to one of the pro firearm parties, there are three that have dedicated pro firearm policies, the SFFP, LDP and Country Minded.

There are those that don't have specific pro firearms policies, yet can be considered as supportive of shooters such as the KAP.

There are some parties that while not being described as pro firearms , are not really against us either, such as Family First and One Nation.

There are those that have expressed sentiments that could be considered as being anti firearm such as Jacqie Lambie Network and the Glen Lazarous Party.

Then there are the obvious demons foremost being the Greens and Labor, followed by the Mature Australia Party and the Coalition.

Those shooters that do not intend to vote at all, I can only ask that they consider at least voting in the upper house, (senate) and vote for the pro shooting parties, even if they put in an informal vote in the lower house, at least it gives a pro shooting party the chance to get a senator up, which is a good chance in NSW.

By giving your number 1 vote to the SFFP, it will send a message that you are voting on shooting issues as a shooter, even if you prefer another pro shooting party, still consider giving your second preference to the SFFP.

If the SFFP get a strong primary vote count, this will be noticed by who ever forms government, hopefully it will make them aware that there is significant support for shooting and hunting and less likely to want to annoy us.


I assure you that me and my family, a few neighbours I've spoken to (rusted on Labor supporters) who are keen to support us (one neighbour fishes, even if its 5 degrees, chasing fish he can't eat) and the "oldies" whom remember kids on trains with rifles (never had an incident - had to say that) are voting SFFP this year.

If our representatives aren't doing the job, the politicians we support will (here's hoping).....?

Again, get your hands on the latest APA magazine and have a read of the Editorial.
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by Oldbloke » 26 Jun 2016, 9:09 pm

Good onya Ben. I will be voting along those lines too. Stuff the major parties.

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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by Tiger650 » 30 Jun 2016, 8:36 pm

I voted on Wednesday, will be on the road on Saturday.
Senate paper completed correctly but I made my own for the lower house, crossed out the usual suspects and wrote :

1 Don Trump

2 Vlad Putin

I had considered making Kim Jong Un # 3 but I seriously hate communists.

As previously stated, if a noticeable fraction of the Libs vote evaporates the Party Machine may realise that there is a "market" that is not buying the one party state poop on a stick product which is being offered.
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by Oldbloke » 30 Jun 2016, 8:55 pm

Only the names will change. We will still have a parliament full of:

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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by darwindingo » 30 Jun 2016, 8:59 pm

:lol: And not one to be seen with a decent set of Tusks among them... :lol:
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An "Unintended Discharge" is nothing more than the lack of appropriate safety procedures or the failure to follow them..!

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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 01 Jul 2016, 9:12 am

Tiger650 wrote:I voted on Wednesday, will be on the road on Saturday.
Senate paper completed correctly but I made my own for the lower house, crossed out the usual suspects and wrote :

1 Don Trump

2 Vlad Putin

I had considered making Kim Jong Un # 3 but I seriously hate communists.

As previously stated, if a noticeable fraction of the Libs vote evaporates the Party Machine may realise that there is a "market" that is not buying the one party state poop on a stick product which is being offered.


You're just making a mockery of the whole democratic institution....

NO ONE puts Trump ahead of Putin.... :thumbsdown: :D
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 01 Jul 2016, 11:29 am

I was looking for a current greens 'dangerous is guns them are' policy, and I came across their latest, how do you describe it, load of fanstastically ridiculous non-sense...so pretty much the standard for the greentards.....I just can not imagine how lacking in intelligence those who vote for them must be - if they actually pay attention to what the candidates preach and what they seek....;

http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-r ... n-year-cli

Greens commit to help our hard-hit Pacific island neighbours with $3.6 billion per year in climate finance
media-releases
30 Jun 2016 | Larissa Waters
(<verifiable loon, the one who called for action on Barbie doll female toy stereotypes while wearing a tight figure hugging dress and well done up with makeup)
Climate change

The Australian Greens today committed to do Australia’s fair share in providing climate finance to help developing nations transition to clean energy and adapt to the impacts of global warming.
[[I love the way these tards 'commit' to funding promises when they are neither the government, nor have any chance whatsoever of coming good with the promise]]
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“In Paris, Australia agreed with other developed nations to collectively provide US$100 billion per year by 2020 in climate finance to assist developing nations transition to clean energy and adapt to the impacts of global warming.

“The Greens would make sure Australia pulls its weight, by mobilizing $3.2 billion per year by 2020 from a combination of public and private finance.

“The Greens would raise Australia’s contribution from $200 million per year to $1.6 billion per year by 2019-20 mainly for grants to support climate adaptation, and would mobilise an equivalent level of private finance,” Senator Waters said.


Yes, all for increase the ridiculous and offensively criminal wasteful give away of our grand children's money (goes on the tab) for an absolutely intangible action and result.....because of global consensus of the 1000 global scientists (of the how many million scientists who probably question at best and disagree at worst with the anthropogenic global warming theories)

While.....those remaining scientists who have retained their sanity - are looking at the actual SUN, that big bright star out side, that is, the actual warming mechanism of the earths surface...... is suspiciously sun-spot free for a particularly extended period this year, indicating the possibility of a very concerning potential precursor to an earth cooling period, AKA a (mini) ICE AGE!!!!

Imagine the horrific irony, should our children find themselves paying off immense interest bill in 30 years time to prevent the theorised/lied about warming of pacific island, while the snowline has descended from the peaks of the Victorian and NSW alpine regions... to somewhere near the once sunny metropolitan beaches.... :lol: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

Just see how the mini ice age question is avoided/rejected/ridiculed by the 'warmers'... they know best.
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by Supaduke » 01 Jul 2016, 11:56 am

Well according to most predictions in the late 90's when this hysteria gathered momentum we should all be under water by now. And whatever happened to the ozone layer? And the big hole in it over Antartica? Is that not cool anymore?
Can't help but think it's just to create new industry like the Y2K bug nonsense. And distract the general populace from how crap our politicians are.
"Yes yes" said the politician, " I know I'm crap at my job but hey everybody look up there , it's a giant hole in the sky...."
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by Wylie27 » 01 Jul 2016, 1:53 pm

The hole in the ozone layer.. It was on the news yesterday that it's repairing itself and getting smaller....

Hmmm
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 01 Jul 2016, 2:24 pm

Hopefully one day ozone depleting CFCs wil be outlawed .....
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by bluerob » 01 Jul 2016, 2:35 pm

Supaduke wrote:Well according to most predictions in the late 90's when this hysteria gathered momentum we should all be under water by now. And whatever happened to the ozone layer? And the big hole in it over Antartica? Is that not cool anymore?
Can't help but think it's just to create new industry like the Y2K bug nonsense. And distract the general populace from how crap our politicians are.
"Yes yes" said the politician, " I know I'm crap at my job but hey everybody look up there , it's a giant hole in the sky...."


Exactly.....on so many issues, it ain't funny at all......
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by happyhunter » 01 Jul 2016, 4:32 pm

<<Genesis93>> wrote:I was looking for a current greens 'dangerous is guns them are' policy, and I came across their latest, how do you describe it, load of fanstastically ridiculous non-sense...so pretty much the standard for the greentards.....I just can not imagine how lacking in intelligence those who vote for them must be - if they actually pay attention to what the candidates preach and what they seek....;

http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-r ... n-year-cli

Greens commit to help our hard-hit Pacific island neighbours with $3.6 billion per year in climate finance
media-releases
30 Jun 2016 | Larissa Waters
(<verifiable loon, the one who called for action on Barbie doll female toy stereotypes while wearing a tight figure hugging dress and well done up with makeup)
Climate change

The Australian Greens today committed to do Australia’s fair share in providing climate finance to help developing nations transition to clean energy and adapt to the impacts of global warming.
[[I love the way these tards 'commit' to funding promises when they are neither the government, nor have any chance whatsoever of coming good with the promise]]
.....
“In Paris, Australia agreed with other developed nations to collectively provide US$100 billion per year by 2020 in climate finance to assist developing nations transition to clean energy and adapt to the impacts of global warming.

“The Greens would make sure Australia pulls its weight, by mobilizing $3.2 billion per year by 2020 from a combination of public and private finance.

“The Greens would raise Australia’s contribution from $200 million per year to $1.6 billion per year by 2019-20 mainly for grants to support climate adaptation, and would mobilise an equivalent level of private finance,” Senator Waters said.


Yes, all for increase the ridiculous and offensively criminal wasteful give away of our grand children's money (goes on the tab) for an absolutely intangible action and result.....because of global consensus of the 1000 global scientists (of the how many million scientists who probably question at best and disagree at worst with the anthropogenic global warming theories)

While.....those remaining scientists who have retained their sanity - are looking at the actual SUN, that big bright star out side, that is, the actual warming mechanism of the earths surface...... is suspiciously sun-spot free for a particularly extended period this year, indicating the possibility of a very concerning potential precursor to an earth cooling period, AKA a (mini) ICE AGE!!!!

Imagine the horrific irony, should our children find themselves paying off immense interest bill in 30 years time to prevent the theorised/lied about warming of pacific island, while the snowline has descended from the peaks of the Victorian and NSW alpine regions... to somewhere near the once sunny metropolitan beaches.... :lol: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

Just see how the mini ice age question is avoided/rejected/ridiculed by the 'warmers'... they know best.


Stick to pot stirring and veiled propaganda. You don't do science well.
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 01 Jul 2016, 5:12 pm

happyhunter wrote:Stick to pot stirring and veiled propaganda. You don't do science well.


Stop pretending you're not voting for the greens tomorrow, assuming you're 'of age' of course....
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by Gamerancher » 01 Jul 2016, 5:18 pm

Australia's self appointed EXPERT on climate change, Tim Flannery, has NO actual qualifications in Climate Science. He's a Paleontologist! After numerous people calling his bluff on this fact the University of Newcastle awarded him an "Honorary Doctorate in climate science". That 'aint qualification!
Sea level rise? It has been rising since the end of the last Ice-age, 10 000 years ago. Check up on the continental shelf around Australia, that used to be the coastline.
The reason they have changed their tune, it was "global warming" now it's "climate change" is that the numbers, no matter how they skewed them, just weren't showing up the "catastrophic warming" that was supposed to happen. I studied Climate Science at uni back in the 90's, if you think the media ignores fact and actualities when reporting about firearms issues, their total lack of knowledge with regards climate is 10 times worse. Their take on El-nino/La nina is totally wrong and the latest headline grabber, East-coast Low,is also applied to weather systems that have nothing to do with that particular phenomena.
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 01 Jul 2016, 11:37 pm

ok, I'm calling it

Coalition retain government.

Current representation

Lower House
Libs + Nats <89 seats (45.2%)>
Labs <55 seats (33.4%)>

Post Election?

Libs + Nats <86 seats>
Labs <56 seats >

- I can not see the Labs increasing their vote by much, with BS and his endless BS, drop some, pick up others.

- Though the Libs arent much better, they'll retain around 30 seats over the Labs.
- Seats will probably go towards indeps.


The Senate.... this is where the confused hordes will vote for the Greens with some fantasy of them 'keeping the lower house honest' The rest? I'm not even going to guess. But I'm sure the changes will benefit the big guys...

Plibersek will lead the Labor party within 2 days. :P

Plebiscite will be held, negative returned :thumbsup:
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Re: Elections are pretty close... 2016

Post by Tiger650 » 05 Jul 2016, 7:30 pm

LOL Genesis, with the benefit of current information I can say [not intending to wind you up] you could have been that little devil sitting on Malcolm's shoulder telling him that he is a heap smarter than everybody excepting his master George who lives in Switzerland.
Both Libs and Labor were served notice by the Proles that we are tiring their self indulgent nonsense, the employer is unhappy.
I was particularly pleased that Kathy McGowan retained Indi, Sophie Mirabella is a party apparatchik and the people North of here recognised that.
The pink/yellow trendites in the Liberal Party should take note that a fair proportion of their traditional support base are not buying that labor party swap leader rubbish.
NSW Labor provided precedent [in spades] and the last fed labor govt followed suit, I personally was disgusted when the Libs thought it was acceptable behaviour.
I think that right wing voters are by and large more intelligent, not a prejudice but rather an observation based on long experience.
Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumber will now have to deal with the results, certainly not an ideal situation for we Proles but a damn sight better than the way things were headed.
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