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Banning toy guns - The nanny state hard at work

Post by tucked » 15 Jul 2013, 3:11 pm

Found this online, published by the Newcastle Herald late last week.

TOY guns that significantly resemble real firearms should not be available to the public, Police Minister Mike Gallacher said Thursday.

Mr Gallacher's comment came after he inspected a "toy" gun bought by the Newcastle Herald at a Newcastle tobacconist.

"You wouldn't like that pointed at you," he said. "To the uninitiated, that is a real gun."

The cap gun in question cost $39.95 and was made in Spain. Its box displays a disclaimer stating the item is a toy.

While Mr Gallacher said laws were strict in relation to replica firearms, guns marketed as toys were exempt.

Mr Gallacher took his own photographs of the "toy" provided by the Herald, promising to take them to federal Minister for Home Affairs Jason Clare.

"Outlawing them in NSW is one thing," Mr Gallacher said.

"The question is whether or not there is a need to look at it nationally.’’

Mr Gallacher said despite their political differences the federal and state government would work to find a solution to the problem.

‘‘The issue is for governments to figure out how to work with industry to ensure that these things aren’t being used in hold-ups.’’

Replica guns have been used in at least five serious crimes in the Hunter so far this year, including a robbery this week at a Newcastle CBD convenience store.

‘‘Shops should stop selling dummy guns because they’re really very bad,’’ said the store employee who had one pointed at him during the robbery.

‘‘When people have one of those guns held to their heads, they lose it.’’

Top-ranking Newcastle police have pointed out how a loophole in legislation makes it difficult to take action against retailers selling replicas.

Objects produced and identified as a children’s toy are not regarded as imitation firearms under the NSW Firearms Act of 1996.

Mr Gallacher also outlined concerns yesterday that, after seeing replicas, even children wouldn’t be content with old-style silver cowboy cap guns.

In a Herald survey more than 55per cent of readers believed replicas should be banned if they closely resembled guns.


:roll:

The nanny state hard at work. Apparently nothing more productive to do than ban toys...
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Post by Berper » 15 Jul 2013, 4:03 pm

The question is whether or not there is a need to look at it nationally.’


Our nations greatest priority, toy guns.

We'll get round to addressing education and health later apparently...
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Post by Vati » 16 Jul 2013, 9:40 am

Berper wrote:
The question is whether or not there is a need to look at it nationally.’


Our nations greatest priority, toy guns.

We'll get round to addressing education and health later apparently...


Educating people on the danger of toys :roll:
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Post by Berper » 01 Aug 2013, 2:43 pm

Vati wrote:Educating people on the danger of toys :roll:


I saw something online a while ago about how a kid that was 6 or 7 or something got suspended from school from pointing his finger and saying "bang". :shock:
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Post by Member-Deleted » 19 Nov 2013, 8:47 pm

Berper wrote:
Vati wrote:Educating people on the danger of toys :roll:


I saw something online a while ago about how a kid that was 6 or 7 or something got suspended from school from pointing his finger and saying "bang". :shock:

Yeah my mates were suspended back in year 9 for a week for doing that to each other, the words death threat were used in the report a teacher filled out
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Post by Blackened » 19 Nov 2013, 8:54 pm

Member-Deleted wrote:Yeah my mates were suspended back in year 9 for a week for doing that to each other, the words death threat were used in the report a teacher filled out


Seriously?

A 13 year old kid pointing his finger is a death threat now is it?
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Post by Guliver » 20 Nov 2013, 10:33 am

I agree with toy guns that are lifelike being banned. Check this google search https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en& ... as_rights=

Police PDF on the subject. Looks like they are already banned in Victoria.

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j ... 3253,d.aGc
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Post by Tinked » 20 Nov 2013, 10:54 am

Guliver wrote:I agree with toy guns that are lifelike being banned.


If they're realistic enough that someone could believe it's real and feel threatened then sure.

But getting uppity over a kid pointing his finger though is just out of control.
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Post by Member-Deleted » 20 Nov 2013, 11:23 am

Blackened wrote:A 13 year old kid pointing his finger is a death threat now is it?


Yep, they didn't help by diving on imaginary grenades in the principals office shortly after but what are 13 year olds supposed to do!?
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Post by Bourt » 20 Nov 2013, 12:14 pm

Member-Deleted wrote:Yep, they didn't help by diving on imaginary grenades in the principals office shortly after but what are 13 year olds supposed to do!?


LMAO. That's gold.
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Post by Warrigul » 14 Dec 2013, 1:37 pm

Guliver wrote:I agree with toy guns that are lifelike being banned.


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Post by VICHunter » 15 Dec 2013, 10:06 am

Group forum buy... Of tickets to Canada :lol:
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Post by Turkle » 15 Dec 2013, 10:35 am

VICHunter wrote:Group forum buy... Of tickets to Canada :lol:


I'm in. I hear Edmonton is nice...
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Post by Kaine » 15 Dec 2013, 10:45 am

Guliver wrote:I agree with toy guns that are lifelike being banned. Check this google search https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en& ... as_rights=

Police PDF on the subject. Looks like they are already banned in Victoria.

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j ... 3253,d.aGc


Would you rather they use real weapons instead? Seems a little shortsighted to me.

If people are robbing places using toy guns, the worst thing that they could do is get shot by a cop.

I will also add because no one else has said it yet, if you are that stupid that you think a toy gun is in fact a real gun, you deserve what you get.
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Post by Streamline » 15 Dec 2013, 5:09 pm

Turkle wrote:I'm in. I hear Edmonton is nice...


And a ticket to Banff for me please :D
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Post by headspace » 13 Feb 2014, 5:32 pm

Here's the scenario; some goose goes into a store to do a stick up with his replica/ toy whatever. The owner of the store having been held up a number of times in the past has a shotty under the counter and decides that it's reasonable to use deadly force and shoots the fool sticking the "toy" in his face. Would that stand up in court as a reasonable bit of self defence? I would hope so. Either way it would get messy.
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Post by horter » 13 Feb 2014, 5:50 pm

Gotta say I seriously doubt that would hold up here given some of the stories you read in the media.
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Post by paps » 13 Feb 2014, 8:09 pm

How bout that one in the states where the kid got suspended for chewing his pop-tart into the shape of a gun :lol:
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Post by Bugman » 14 Feb 2014, 5:11 am

The next thing could be a ban on dildo's
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Post by Grrzrr » 14 Feb 2014, 9:39 am

paps wrote:How bout that one in the states where the kid got suspended for chewing his pop-tart into the shape of a gun :lol:


I'd be more worried about the kids living off pop tarts than whatever shape they chew them in to.
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