POLL - should gun laws be tightened?

[<<Genesis93>>]

The % was edging higher and higher.....another day and it would have reach 98% I suspect...

[happyhunter]

How do you "tighten" gun laws? The phrase means nothing.

[adam]

How do you "tighten" gun laws? The phrase means nothing.

Well, going from previous examples it means targeting LFO's and making life harder for us.

Maybe introducing laws that mean we have to pick up every empty shell or case because it's part of ammunition and if empties are unsecured we commit a felony...

Maybe introducing laws telling us that we must notify LRD every time we take our firearms out, and everytime we bring them back...

Maybe limiting magazines to 1 round each...

Anything really that works towards the end goal of total confiscation of all legally owned firearms - whilst doing jack all about criminals...

But you're right - the phrase "tightening gun laws" has a very sinister and deliberate omission of certain important details.

[<<Genesis93>>]

The tards continually bleat over how the gradual winding back of the NFA is placing the community in danger, driving the increase in gun crime and other blah blah...more laws more more .....

So I thought I'd have a bit of a look, and see how the 'effective' gun laws of 96 are being loosened, whittled away or 'frayed' at the edges in Victoria.....

1996, 1996 Firearms Act -- 164 pages = 1st version of NFAish gun law
2000, 1996 Firearms Act -- 193 pages
2004, 1996 Firearms Act -- 272 pages
2008, 1996 Firearms Act -- 319 pages
2012, 1996 Firearms Act -- 322 pages
2016, 1996 Firearms Act -- 329 pages

Gee, I hope we come to our sense soon and stop winding back the laws.......
Seriously, at this rate the Act will be in volumes like Corporate and Tax law.... FFS, would it be that crazy to maybe simplify the laws?? Would we descent into pure anarchy if we trimmed a bit here and there??

Lets look at history;

Firearm Act of 1958 (in force until 1996), 29 pages!!
Firearm Act of 1951, 33 pages
Firearm Act of 1928, 20 pages
Firearm Act of 1921, 25 pages
Pea rifle and saloon gun Act of 1912, 4 pages

And what I believe was the first gun law in Vic;
The Swivel Gun Act 1887 (Controlling punt guns) in full took up just 1 page!

From what I can tell, shotguns (greater than 30in o/a, greater the 16in barrel) were defined as NOT firearms until licensing in 1972.... when 3 categories of guns were introduced,
Cat A - Shotgun
Cat B - Pea rifle (max 0.229inch cal., 22s/l/lr, 3gr charge max, 56gr proj. max or shot)
Cat C - other

Of course handguns have been regulated/licensed/registered since 1921 ! ... I just wish someone would send a memo to the criminal world....But think about it, regulated for almost a century, and if you believe the hype, mostly from the popo, the streets are flooded with handguns (going for as little as a grand$ apparently)

How did we do it??

[Tomotron]

The tards continually bleat over how the gradual winding back of the NFA is placing the community in danger, driving the increase in gun crime and other blah blah...more laws more more .....

So I thought I'd have a bit of a look, and see how the 'effective' gun laws of 96 are being loosened, whittled away or 'frayed' at the edges in Victoria.....

1996, 1996 Firearms Act -- 164 pages = 1st version of NFAish gun law
2000, 1996 Firearms Act -- 193 pages
2004, 1996 Firearms Act -- 272 pages
2008, 1996 Firearms Act -- 319 pages
2012, 1996 Firearms Act -- 322 pages
2016, 1996 Firearms Act -- 329 pages

Gee, I hope we come to our sense soon and stop winding back the laws.......
Seriously, at this rate the Act will be in volumes like Corporate and Tax law.... FFS, would it be that crazy to maybe simplify the laws?? Would we descent into pure anarchy if we trimmed a bit here and there??

Lets look at history;

Firearm Act of 1958 (in force until 1996), 29 pages!!
Firearm Act of 1951, 33 pages
Firearm Act of 1928, 20 pages
Firearm Act of 1921, 25 pages
Pea rifle and saloon gun Act of 1912, 4 pages

And what I believe was the first gun law in Vic;
The Swivel Gun Act 1887 (Controlling punt guns) in full took up just 1 page!

From what I can tell, shotguns (greater than 30in o/a, greater the 16in barrel) were defined as NOT firearms until licensing in 1972.... when 3 categories of guns were introduced,
Cat A - Shotgun
Cat B - Pea rifle (max 0.229inch cal., 22s/l/lr, 3gr charge max, 56gr proj. max or shot)
Cat C - other

Of course handguns have been regulated/licensed/registered since 1921 ! ... I just wish someone would send a memo to the criminal world....But think about it, regulated for almost a century, and if you believe the hype, mostly from the popo, the streets are flooded with handguns (going for as little as a grand$ apparently)

How did we do it??

The Firearms Act 1996 (Vic) is now 367 pages as of the 01/07/2020.
https://content.legislation.vic.gov.au/ ... orised.pdf

[Madang185]

In this writers opinion it is right and proper that there are sane and sensible laws that control and licence firearm owners and firearms. There are however major problems within Australia appertaining to such laws.

Firstly neither the Politicians nor the media will acknowledge that only honest citizens obey such laws.

Secondly, it is evident that Politicians are ill informed. They listen to those who agree with their dubious laws that attack the law abiding licenced firearm owners but not the criminal element in our society who are literally getting away with murder

Thirdly, any Politician who wants attention, and they all do, merely has to utter the words, Gun Control, and the media will be on his doorstep post haste.

Finally, whenever there is a problem in society involving firearms of any sort, the licensed owners are immediately attacked by Police Command and the media, we are simply convenient scapegoats. As an example. A Police Officer in Victoria of recent date claimed that many firearms are simply stolen because of the flimsy containers in which they are kept. I may be mistaken but I understood that within Victoria it was incumbent on the local Firearms Officer to inspect all such containers within his Jurisdiction? Mine certainly were and so were those of my mates. Perhaps a case of not enough Police Officers to do the job?

[bladeracer]

In this writers opinion it is right and proper that there are sane and sensible laws that control and licence firearm owners and firearms. There are however major problems within Australia appertaining to such laws.

Firstly neither the Politicians nor the media will acknowledge that only honest citizens obey such laws.

Secondly, it is evident that Politicians are ill informed. They listen to those who agree with their dubious laws that attack the law abiding licenced firearm owners but not the criminal element in our society who are literally getting away with murder

Thirdly, any Politician who wants attention, and they all do, merely has to utter the words, Gun Control, and the media will be on his doorstep post haste.

Finally, whenever there is a problem in society involving firearms of any sort, the licensed owners are immediately attacked by Police Command and the media, we are simply convenient scapegoats. As an example. A Police Officer in Victoria of recent date claimed that many firearms are simply stolen because of the flimsy containers in which they are kept. I may be mistaken but I understood that within Victoria it was incumbent on the local Firearms Officer to inspect all such containers within his Jurisdiction? Mine certainly were and so were those of my mates. Perhaps a case of not enough Police Officers to do the job?

The onus is on us to have security that complies with the requirements, regardless of whether Police have time to inspect them. As law-abiding owners there is no reason the Police should have to bother inspecting our security, we know the legal requirement, we obey it.

Our firearms get stolen because Police have no interest in preventing crime and our justice system has no interest in dealing with those that do get caught. It is far far easier and more economically advantageous to ignore crime and simply fine people for silly misdemeanours on the road. If Police enforced the laws we already have, and Justice dealt with those miscreants to the extent of our laws, we wouldn't so often become victims of crime.

[mickb]

In this writers opinion it is right and proper that there are sane and sensible laws that control and licence firearm owners and firearms. There are however major problems within Australia appertaining to such laws.

Firstly neither the Politicians nor the media will acknowledge that only honest citizens obey such laws.

Secondly, it is evident that Politicians are ill informed. They listen to those who agree with their dubious laws that attack the law abiding licenced firearm owners but not the criminal element in our society who are literally getting away with murder

Thirdly, any Politician who wants attention, and they all do, merely has to utter the words, Gun Control, and the media will be on his doorstep post haste.

Finally, whenever there is a problem in society involving firearms of any sort, the licensed owners are immediately attacked by Police Command and the media, we are simply convenient scapegoats. As an example. A Police Officer in Victoria of recent date claimed that many firearms are simply stolen because of the flimsy containers in which they are kept. I may be mistaken but I understood that within Victoria it was incumbent on the local Firearms Officer to inspect all such containers within his Jurisdiction? Mine certainly were and so were those of my mates. Perhaps a case of not enough Police Officers to do the job?

You do realise your agreement with the first pararaph( licencing and control) are the reason all the other problems you mention occur.