tom604 wrote:he did a 911 call saying he was doing it in the name of isis and the fbi had investigated him a couple of times
Pennsylvania Yank wrote:Oldbloke wrote:I guess christianity is also a religion of violence and war. Just look at history.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war
Heckler303, Perhaps we should jail all christians?
Practicing this type of moral relativism will get you a lot of accolades in certain circles, but is not really a sound and logical analysis of the problems we face in dealing with the dangers of radical Islam, and the threat Islam currently poses to Western Democracy.
In fact, it plays right into the hands of those who seek to destroy us.
There is a very good reason that Australia has a very strict immigration policy w/respect to so-called "refugees". I only wish my country(and Europe) had the stones to do the same thing.
Pennsylvania Yank wrote:Oldbloke wrote:I guess christianity is also a religion of violence and war. Just look at history.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war
Heckler303, Perhaps we should jail all christians?
Practicing this type of moral relativism will get you a lot of accolades in certain circles, but is not really a sound and logical analysis of the problems we face in dealing with the dangers of radical Islam, and the threat Islam currently poses to Western Democracy.
In fact, it plays right into the hands of those who seek to destroy us.
There is a very good reason that Australia has a very strict immigration policy w/respect to so-called "refugees". I only wish my country(and Europe) had the stones to do the same thing.
brett1868 wrote:Genesis93...Go back to my theory posted at 16:34 before some of this information was released. I maybe wrong to assume he was in the closet but targeting a Gay nightclub as an act of terrorism just doesn't make sense. Like another other recent "Terrorist" attack in the U.S there was an underlying need for personal revenge as the primary motive followed then by beliefs. Maybe he had a bad hookup on "Grinder" and sought revenge...
wrenchman wrote:i have muslin freinds and coworkers islam is not whats at fault its the person that will use it to hurt others there has been others that hurt and killed and used bible to hurt other the first one off the top of my head would be the kkk.
there are nut jobs all around we need to target them like the kkk was in the 60s the fbi would go into souther churchs and watch for them most are stomped out now
Make no mistake.We are again horrifically reminded that our nation and the free world are in a long war declared upon us by global militant Islamists and their salafi jihadi ideology.
www.aifdemocracy.org/aifd-keeps-victims ... lse-attack
<<Genesis93>> wrote:Remember the first words were he was not on the FBIs RADAR......even though he was investigated twice??
If you're investigated by the Feds, whether in the US or here in Aus..... you would then be well planted on the RADAR in perpetuity. FBI dropped the ball.
Now it turns out wifey says she helped scout with him and purchase ammo with him.....
I predict this story will keep evolving and evolving - the father knew, maybe encouraged his sons martyrdom, to make up for his sexual peccadilloes, there was a boyfriend at the club, so many knew him...
Trouble is once its no longer an attack 'on' the gay community, but becomes an attack 'within' the gay community... the lefty tard progressive commie anti straight while male media.... will drop this like a scorching hot potato.
Orlando: This is where the investigative road divides spectacularly: was Orlando gunman Omar Mateen driven by a love of Islamic State, or by a deep sense of self-loathing – possibly triggered by an awareness that he was gay?
happyhunter wrote:A detailed report on the shooters life that does not blame guns as the problem.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/orlando- ... pjooz.htmlOrlando: This is where the investigative road divides spectacularly: was Orlando gunman Omar Mateen driven by a love of Islamic State, or by a deep sense of self-loathing – possibly triggered by an awareness that he was gay?
Pennsylvania Yank wrote:happyhunter wrote:A detailed report on the shooters life that does not blame guns as the problem.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/orlando- ... pjooz.htmlOrlando: This is where the investigative road divides spectacularly: was Orlando gunman Omar Mateen driven by a love of Islamic State, or by a deep sense of self-loathing – possibly triggered by an awareness that he was gay?
Islam is entirely woven into the shooter and his family's actions. This is the guy whos school classmates remember him celebrating on 9/11 after seeing the twin towers go down when he was 14 years old. His wife is now known to have been involved in some way. She is seen on camera purchasing ammunition for him and drove to the shooting location with him to scout. His Father hosts an anti-american radio show and is now his son's biggest apologist it seems. The shooter called 911 to proclaim his allegence to ISIS because he was allied with ISIS. Whether he was self loathing or not is quite irrelevent. By all accounts we see yet another Muslim who is seemingly living the American dream and working a very good job but who is still bitter and angry and wanting to murder innocent people because his religion compels him to do it and he brings down his entire family with him.. It's Fort Hood and San Bernadino all over again. Also more importantly, the authorities have known all about him and his issues with co-workers and his associations with known terrorists for years but let him slip out of their grasp solely because of Political correctness.
happyhunter wrote:Pennsylvania Yank wrote:happyhunter wrote:A detailed report on the shooters life that does not blame guns as the problem.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/orlando- ... pjooz.htmlOrlando: This is where the investigative road divides spectacularly: was Orlando gunman Omar Mateen driven by a love of Islamic State, or by a deep sense of self-loathing – possibly triggered by an awareness that he was gay?
Islam is entirely woven into the shooter and his family's actions. This is the guy whos school classmates remember him celebrating on 9/11 after seeing the twin towers go down when he was 14 years old. His wife is now known to have been involved in some way. She is seen on camera purchasing ammunition for him and drove to the shooting location with him to scout. His Father hosts an anti-american radio show and is now his son's biggest apologist it seems. The shooter called 911 to proclaim his allegence to ISIS because he was allied with ISIS. Whether he was self loathing or not is quite irrelevent. By all accounts we see yet another Muslim who is seemingly living the American dream and working a very good job but who is still bitter and angry and wanting to murder innocent people because his religion compels him to do it and he brings down his entire family with him.. It's Fort Hood and San Bernadino all over again. Also more importantly, the authorities have known all about him and his issues with co-workers and his associations with known terrorists for years but let him slip out of their grasp solely because of Political correctness.
Religion was just the mask. It was something the shooter falsely identified with to hide the truth about what really drove him to such an irrational action. The truth is he could not face the reality of his own sexuality. Blaming religion, in this case, is like blaming the AR15 rifle which is exactly what the gun contrl freaks do. The fact he used an AR is coincidental. The real issue and real cause is mental illness.
Saying that, I'm no apologist for islam. IMO it has no place in western society. All I'm saying is in the case of Orlando the shooters religion is coincidental.
adam wrote:The problem with the definition of mental illness is that it's as fluid as you want it to be.
Case in point: Nazi Germany - only 50 years ago... murdering women and children en masses in concentration camps.
Someone questioning the mental condition of someone who walks into a place and kill ~50 people - would they give the Nazi's in concentration camps or those who gave the orders the same benefit of the doubt with their mental condition? There were millions of women & children murdered... ?
Never underestimate the commitment of someone to fight for their ideology cause - whether it be religious or otherwise (such as in WW2).