NSW: Greyhound industry to be potentially shut down

[on_one_wheel]

I read an interesting article that linked a Senator, a inner citty developor who's interested in the Wentworth Park Greyhound Track and the sudden ban of Greyhound racing..... nothing suss going on here.

Nah, nothing to see here.

Heard an interview on 774 today too, debating the numbers. I know bs flows both ways, but the guy had interesting points, especially about numbers of dogs killed. On top of that, there are existing laws to deal with animal cruelty - why is this not applied? I thought collective punishment was illegal? This is mental, since there are a lot of people who will be out of jobs, properties, everything. Sounds like there's a legal fight in the works.

That's right.
If the regulators had been doing their jobs by way of inspections there would be no problem.
Fancy punishing the whole industry for the actions of a few ( hello FA owners, sound familiar )

I know a couple of people who race dogs, they aren't going to sit still over this.
One of them not only races dogs, she re-homes suitable dogs that have retired.

While live animal baiting for training purposes happens, it's not wide spread.

[Baronvonrort]

Those who liked to bet on the dogs can go to the Casino which is the only place left open late at night since Baird's lockout laws banned people from drinking in clubs and pubs.

The tribe should speak and tell this turkey to go at the next election.

[Oldbloke]

The failing here is the NSW Gov. As is often the case they did not police the industry more than likely due to cost cutting. The industry should in my view continue. And the NSW government kick the arses of those that break the rules. Inocent people must never be punished for the wrong doing of others. The live baiting will then no longer be a problem. The gov have simply taken the cheap option again.

IMO live baiting is not acceptable and in no way can it be compared with fair chase.

[Gwion]

Your opinion Supaduke, and I respect it.

However, I'm not in the least bit concerned about live baiting of animals. Not at all.

I am however concerned at the live baiting of humans, those mesmerised by the pokies, or watching the screen in the sportsbar, clutching their last $50 worth of bets as they watch in vain as they lose AGAIN.....

Those people are idiots, they chose to be there, but the rabbit being live bait didn't get a say.

^^^^^^^^^^^^
That.

[bluerob]

Your opinion Supaduke, and I respect it.

However, I'm not in the least bit concerned about live baiting of animals. Not at all.

I am however concerned at the live baiting of humans, those mesmerised by the pokies, or watching the screen in the sportsbar, clutching their last $50 worth of bets as they watch in vain as they lose AGAIN.....

Those people are idiots, they chose to be there, but the rabbit being live bait didn't get a say.

Yes, they are idiots... there was another 'victim' on the news today... who 'lost' $300,000 and therefore has to sell the family home before the banks do....yes she's an idiot... and her husband who no doubt worked his whole life to pay for the house... is for some reason still sitting net to her...holding it together.

However....

Our government, the filthy so and sos love the revenue and are as addicted as the morons who sit in front of the machines... Victoria has one of if not the highest density of poker 'Electronic Gaming Machines' IN THE WORLD!??... 30,000 machines in VIC....and theres a website that shows you how much money YOUR local 'community' is losing...

https://www.vcgr.vic.gov.au

Example 2014/2015 punter's losses;
OLD ENGLAND HOTEL, HEIDELBERG, $11,533,093.85,
YARRAVILLE CLUB CRICKET CLUB, MAIDSTONE , $13,606,750.17
GLADSTONE PARK HOTEL, TULLAMARINE, $18,744,701.91
KEYSBOROUGH HOTEL, KEYSBOROUGH, $19,705,513.32
SEAFORD TAVERNER, SEAFORD , $16,346,192.56
EDWARDES LAKE HOTEL, RESERVOIR , $13,585,256.44
BERWICK SPRINGS HOTEL, BERWICK , $14,817,705.70
CARDINIA CLUB , PAKENHAM , $11,218,364.30
KEALBA HOTEL, KEALBA , $17,788,348.56
CARDINIA CLUB, PAKENHAM , $11,218,364.30

These are the highest 'losses' per premises from random regions.... there may be higher individual values, but the forth example above represents a loss, per calendar day of about $54,000!!!

Now add up all the locations across the 30,000 machines...

....and that above concerns me a whole heap more than this nonsense of live baiting.... sorry if you dont agree.

Revenue raising you mention....

Been reported that in NSW, EVERY Police car will be fitted with speed cameras (GD cars for example).

If you're doing 70 in a 60 zone and a GD car is heading towards you (maybe Highway Patrol will have the same system - they weren't mentioned), your speed will be detected via laser, a photo of your rego plate and the driver (start wearing masks people) will be processed (Police car plugs into a computer cord at end of shift) and you'll get a fine in the mail.

This stops any need for the Police react, as in, the small chase they are allowed now, instead of the old days of driving like a race car to book someone doing 70 in a 60 zone.

[<<Genesis93>>]

I'll bet the infringement notice will be IN the mail - BEFORE the end of the shift, no plug in required....

[on_one_wheel]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NXVtaYCDoLo
And then some days live baiting turns out OK!

That was quite gory.

My missus always barracks for the bulls at rodeos, she likes the show, doesn't have a problem with rodeos .... just gets excited when the bull wins.
She has spent her whole working life breaking in bulls for shows, that might explain it.

[juststarting]

Your opinion Supaduke, and I respect it.
However, I'm not in the least bit concerned about live baiting of animals. Not at all.

Option, don't agree, but whatever, we've been known to disagree

I am however concerned at the live baiting of humans, those mesmerised by the pokies, or watching the screen in the sportsbar, clutching their last $50 worth of bets as they watch in vain as they lose AGAIN.....

This is called Strawman argument. No good.

But... While I personally think it is cruel and disgusting, I then think, well, what about fishing? I don't think that's disgusting. Popping a live bait fish or a worm on a hook? I am not sure about pain sensors there, but I am certain that there's some discomfort, at least... That's live baiting, nobody complains. Then we have rodents, used as pet food for pet reptiles (or zoo reptiles). Again, the rodent didn't get a say in it, but nevertheless killed for happiness of a human, pets make us happy. So is a rabbit somehow worth more than a fish, worm, mouse or rat for entertainment value?

Considering that humans are the apex specie, wouldn't livelihood of a human, someone invested entirely in that industry, who stands to lose everything, be worth more than a rabbit?

A slightly more obscure example. Let's go with an army/police dog that gets sent into a life endangering situation instead of a human... We certainly have a life value/worth ladder here, so how are these live baiting situations different to each other? Some are 100% acceptable by us, but a rabbit is crossing the line somehow?

Food for thought.

[on_one_wheel]

This whole saga is about the rspca having its idealogical way with the rest of the world not greyhounds.
Not a single person has been prosecuted for the alleged acts . If live baiting was happening and they had proof someone would be in front of a judge. ... but nothing.

I just had rspca pop up on my farcebook page in one of their donation funded "sponsored posts"

Naturally I commented.

I put up a picture and a news article link to prove their hypocrisy.

A picture of the photoshoped rabbit

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And a link to the rspca rabbit concrete drowning
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&sour ... om7XRMLuKQ

And a link to tge rspca negligent cattle slaughter

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&sour ... 4EuEH8E86w
With the comment "What a disgraceful waste of donated funds" (as it cost them a 2 million dollar payout to the farmer)

Result : instantaneously banned from the SA rspca facebook page and my comments deleted.

I guess it hit a nerve

May the truth speak louder than lies.

[VICHunter]

lots of dogs going to die

Disclaimer, I don't follow the dogs but....

Is that not the problem already? I hear numbers on the radio like 70,000 in the past some number of years as they kill all but the fastest from litters.

That some will die now is hardly a justification for keeping the sport if/when they continue to keep killing them for as long as it's running.

(Not against the sport, just on that point)