Select fire R4's for off duty QLD police soon?

[on_one_wheel]

Really? Where does the whole on duty/off duty thing come from then?

Or have I see too many movies and not enough reality... ?

They are cops in the eyes of scum bags whether on duty or off duty, go ahead and make yourself a target for outlaw biker gangs and see how safe you feel.

They don't care if you're on or off.

[Tonit]

They are cops in the eyes of scum bags whether on duty or off duty, go ahead and make yourself a target for outlaw biker gangs and see how safe you feel.

They don't care if you're on or off.

Never mind, crossed wired here... I was just talking about in general 'on/off' duty. Not being targeted by some crim.

[Warrigul]

Bring on the R4 .223 carbines and give police a year round open seson to hunt outlaw bikers. People are talking about home defence... surely random home invasion isnt that much of a problem here in Australia ?

What rock do you live under? There have been at least six that readily come to mind this year, in every case the Police arrived AFTER the fact. In all the cases except the one where that sixty year old in Sydney was beaten unconscious and not discovered for 24 hours they arrived within less than an hour but until they did arrive the victims were without any form of defence. A home invasion is not headlines unless someone dies or they need a human interest story as the rest of the news is quiet.

Stilll we hear that defence is not a legitimate reason to have a firearm but the government is unable to defend its people, I don't consider Police arriving after the fact to take a statement and try and track down the criminal as defence, only post event management. It really sucks if the victim is yourself or a family member.

If it is adequete for the average joe to have to wait for a cop and deny them firearms for defence then it is hypocrisy for a cop to be allowed firearms for the very same purpose.

There is no evidence to say they are targeted any more than Judges, lawyers etc etc. If they feel threatened then get another job..

As far as declaring an open season on Outlaw bikers then pull your head in.

[Farmjer]

Bring on the R4 .223 carbines and give police a year round open seson to hunt outlaw bikers. People are talking about home defence...

Here is one of the articles on them taking their service firearms home for self defence - posted on couriermail.

There are others too if you care to search for them.

[Bourt]

It really sucks if the victim is yourself or a family member.

Yep, so many people are happy with it the way it is... Until they're the victim. Then it's a different story

[JC102]

Bring on the R4 .223 carbines and give police a year round open seson to hunt outlaw bikers. People are talking about home defence... surely random home invasion isnt that much of a problem here in Australia ?

What rock do you live under? There have been at least six that readily come to mind this year, in every case the Police arrived AFTER the fact. In all the cases except the one where that sixty year old in Sydney was beaten unconscious and not discovered for 24 hours they arrived within less than an hour but until they did arrive the victims were without any form of defence. A home invasion is not headlines unless someone dies or they need a human interest story as the rest of the news is quiet.

Stilll we hear that defence is not a legitimate reason to have a firearm but the government is unable to defend its people, I don't consider Police arriving after the fact to take a statement and try and track down the criminal as defence, only post event management. It really sucks if the victim is yourself or a family member.

If it is adequete for the average joe to have to wait for a cop and deny them firearms for defence then it is hypocrisy for a cop to be allowed firearms for the very same purpose.

There is no evidence to say they are targeted any more than Judges, lawyers etc etc. If they feel threatened then get another job..

As far as declaring an open season on Outlaw bikers then pull your head in.

There's been a lot more than 6, mate. Have a look at the police Facebook pages, they are weekly occurrences. And those are just the reported ones.

Have a listen to the police radio online sometime. It can be interesting to say the least.

[agentzero]

Have a listen to the police radio online sometime. It can be interesting to say the least.

Ah yes, busting out the UHF radio for a nights entertainment.

[Kaine]

The thing that hasn't come up yet, is escalation, cops get better guns, so the crims follow suit.
The biggest reason why I am against this move, is that I don't trust cops, whether on or off duty. This is not against anyone in particular, if you are a cop reading this, good for you. But when you consider that if you wish to join one of the armed forces, you mast pass a psychological evaluation. Cops do not, and these are the people that are supposed to be protecting and serving the people. Though in this day and age they really only protect and serve politicians.

Don't get me wrong, I have met some fine police officers in my time, but I have also met quite a few that should never have been allowed on the force. Those are the ones I am worried about, one day when the bubble bursts, or the stress gets too much, something bad is gonna happen. It usually does.

Don't worry, even I think I am paranoid.

[JC102]

The thing that hasn't come up yet, is escalation, cops get better guns, so the crims follow suit.
The biggest reason why I am against this move, is that I don't trust cops, whether on or off duty. This is not against anyone in particular, if you are a cop reading this, good for you. But when you consider that if you wish to join one of the armed forces, you mast pass a psychological evaluation. Cops do not, and these are the people that are supposed to be protecting and serving the people. Though in this day and age they really only protect and serve politicians.

Don't get me wrong, I have met some fine police officers in my time, but I have also met quite a few that should never have been allowed on the force. Those are the ones I am worried about, one day when the bubble bursts, or the stress gets too much, something bad is gonna happen. It usually does.

Don't worry, even I think I am paranoid.

What do you mean cops don't have psych evaluations? They are psychologically tested during the medical testing stage.

[Aster]

But when you consider that if you wish to join one of the armed forces, you mast pass a psychological evaluation. Cops do not, and these are the people that are supposed to be protecting and serving the people.

Hmm, I'm not sure about that. Surely there is some sort of 'psych profile' as part of becoming a fully fledged officer?

[JC102]

But when you consider that if you wish to join one of the armed forces, you mast pass a psychological evaluation. Cops do not, and these are the people that are supposed to be protecting and serving the people.

Hmm, I'm not sure about that. Surely there is some sort of 'psych profile' as part of becoming a fully fledged officer?

There is, mate. After you complete the entrance exam your general health is tested, both psychologically and physically.

[Kaine]

You know, it looks like I am going to have to apologise. They do in fact have to pass a personality assessment, some form of two page questionnaire. With the possibility of a follow-up with a shrink.
Though the ADF has you sit down with a shrink on your assessment session.
Looks like I was given bad info. Not that it particularly changes my view.

[Antie]

Though the ADF has you sit down with a shrink on your assessment session.

Fair enough.

Not saying being a cop would be all roses, but being a career soldier could put you in some real bad spots obviously.