Firearms are unethical apparently.

[bladeracer]

Saw this on Facebook.
They use their anti-gun phobia to label firearms as "unethical", but state that they don't think they're unethical at all.
I wonder if they consider self-defence to be unethical as well?
Wankers.

[deadkitty]

I think the interpretation depends on how you read it. They are an ethical investment company and as a company, like all companies, they have to try and please their investors. While I do see the point you have raised, they did say "This does not mean that we think that all use of weapons -by governments or individuals- is unethical". Expecting them to change investments that are contrary to their charter is akin to asking vegetarians to eat meat, I wouldn't be calling it an "anti-gun phobia", I'd call it sticking to their principles. Others will undoubtably see it differently, to each his own I guess. Cheers

[southeast varmiter]

Bill gates, Clinton foundation and George soros groups (who are pathological anti gun) were at one stage going to massively invest in firearms manufacturers then pull the rug out. Many companies picked up on this before they vetted volume small company trades.

[juststarting]

Ethics, a large company with shareholders and profit goals talking about ethics. Interesting. Because them ethical office furniture is made ethically in an ethical sweatshop in China and they can ethically account for every part of the item. Riiiight. Numbnuts. Oooo I am also guessing clothing is vetted too, everything is ethically made locally, right? All executives are stripped, clothing labels inspected and origin traced to an ethical manufacturing organisation? Bah!

[<<Genesis93>>]

Dr Stuart Palmer is a pot smoking, acid trippin comtard.... apparently...
What do they say about arguing with idiots??

The one-worlder oligarchs are not against guns, they are against civilians owning them, theyre more than happy to do Billion dollar arms deals to others and maintain heavily armed private security.... Take feinstein, who was one of the most vocal hoplos.... she had her own personal defence handgun, as well as a detachment of well armed LEOs protecting her and her comrades...

[Gregg]

perpetuate militarism

*sigh*

[bladeracer]

I think the interpretation depends on how you read it. They are an ethical investment company and as a company, like all companies, they have to try and please their investors. While I do see the point you have raised, they did say "This does not mean that we think that all use of weapons -by governments or individuals- is unethical". Expecting them to change investments that are contrary to their charter is akin to asking vegetarians to eat meat, I wouldn't be calling it an "anti-gun phobia", I'd call it sticking to their principles. Others will undoubtably see it differently, to each his own I guess. Cheers

My point was that their charter is flawed in being founded on irrational phobia.
Sticking to their stated charter is fine.
Investing with a company that puts together such a charter is probably idiotic.

[happyhunter]

Dr Stuart Palmer is a pot smoking, acid trippin comtard.... apparently...
What do they say about arguing with idiots??

.

I was going to ask what the hell have they been smoking but you beat me to it

[GLS_1956]

Ethics is knowing the right thing to do. Morals, or morality, is doing the right thing. It appears to me that this company does not fit into either category.

[Pennsylvania Yank]

I think the interpretation depends on how you read it. They are an ethical investment company and as a company, like all companies, they have to try and please their investors. While I do see the point you have raised, they did say "This does not mean that we think that all use of weapons -by governments or individuals- is unethical". Expecting them to change investments that are contrary to their charter is akin to asking vegetarians to eat meat, I wouldn't be calling it an "anti-gun phobia", I'd call it sticking to their principles. Others will undoubtably see it differently, to each his own I guess. Cheers

How do they explain away the fact that investing in wind turbines kill large numbers of birds per year? Wouldn't that be a violation of their charter too?

[<<Genesis93>>]

How do they explain away the fact that investing in wind turbines kill large numbers of birds per year? Wouldn't that be a violation of their charter too?

I think thats a fable... a myth... like polar bears drowning in the arctic because of less ice, when they're one of - if not THE best swimmers in the mammal world... birds being decimated by wind turbines.... sure maybe some are killed, just like some are killed by cars...

ETHICS is an opinion. Nothing more nothing less, a words misused and abused, they used the word in marketing, to sell laundry powder for heavens sake.... it now has little meaning...

To the tards hunters 'killing' thousands of wild animals is unethical.....
To the hunters, considering the harm and destruction caused by those thousands of animal - it unethical NOT to kill them...

To many, wind turbines are unethical as they represent a blight on the landscape... how many pristine landscapes ocean front cliff tops, rolling hills in the countryside, are now covered with countless hundred-metre towers whirring away day and night (except when really windy!) some people see them as horrendous mechanical atrocities, some as beautiful examples of engineering mastery, others as environmental saviors....to others, an 'ethical' soution to a problem they've been convinced exists...

What is this ethics.

Anyone using the premise of ethics to change the lives, unnecessarily of countless peaceful law abiding people, whether by changing their eating habits, their cultural eploits or recreational activities... should pack up their operation and f*** off IMHO

[bigfellascott]

Woopee, if they don't want to invest in firearms co's who cares, plenty of people do (us who buy em) so all good.

[Pennsylvania Yank]

How do they explain away the fact that investing in wind turbines kill large numbers of birds per year? Wouldn't that be a violation of their charter too?

I think thats a fable... a myth... like polar bears drowning in the arctic because of less ice, when they're one of - if not THE best swimmers in the mammal world... birds being decimated by wind turbines.... sure maybe some are killed, just like some are killed by cars

That is simply wrong. Wind turbines are notorious bird killers. A simple google search easily confirms this

It's gotten so bad, that some newer models of wind turbines are being equipped with radar to detect incoming birds and stop the blades. This technology however does not seem to be totally reliable as of yet, and also results in a large increase in cost..

[bigfellascott]

The thing I find funny about wind turbines is they can't operate in high winds - WTF pretty sure a coal powered station operates 24/7 regardless of weather, it's the biggest crock of ****** this eco friendly stuff, just a great con if you ask me.

[happyhunter]

The thing I find funny about wind turbines is they can't operate in high winds - WTF pretty sure a coal powered station operates 24/7 regardless of weather, it's the biggest crock of ****** this eco friendly stuff, just a great con if you ask me.

Everything has it's limits in extreme weather I guess. Like a sail boat has to collapse it's sales in a storm, or you don't put the boat in the water if the sea is too rough.

[<<Genesis93>>]

How do they explain away the fact that investing in wind turbines kill large numbers of birds per year? Wouldn't that be a violation of their charter too?

I think thats a fable... a myth... like polar bears drowning in the arctic because of less ice, when they're one of - if not THE best swimmers in the mammal world... birds being decimated by wind turbines.... sure maybe some are killed, just like some are killed by cars

That is simply wrong. Wind turbines are notorious bird killers. A simple google search easily confirms this

It's gotten so bad, that some newer models of wind turbines are being equipped with radar to detect incoming birds and stop the blades. This technology however does not seem to be totally reliable as of yet, and also results in a large increase in cost..

So its simply wrong because google says?
I did not say 'no' birds die...I just disagree that its 'so' bad. Older style truss type / lattice towers were more prone to killing birds as they would nest/roost/ prop on the many smaller members available to them - then fly through the (relatively) slow moving blades....

With current single element tubular towers there are 'less' bird impacts..

If of course you refer to humane society / RSPCA / WWF sites they n doubt paint a picture of bird Armageddon near any tower installation...


Towers are a great complement to an energy source containing solar, thermal, and conventional coal and gas generation... NOT a substitute, Google 'South Australia state wide power outage'.... and see how a system reliant on Wind (and solar) just doesnt work, although it ticks all the green boxes, and helps many people sleep at night (without lights on) as it is not a safe and reliable energy source...

AND NOW the great socialist republic of Victoria will be losing 25% of its generating capacity, because the government made it too onerous, difficult for the company to keep the generator online... so its shutting down shortly, many will rejoice removing this coal generator (possibly relocating the capacity) while our bills will go up, by 8% immediately they say.. thanks

[Pennsylvania Yank]

So its simply wrong because google says?
I did not say 'no' birds die...I just disagree that its 'so' bad.

Well I didn't say to believe everything on Google now did I? There are loads of reliable sources on Google on this issue. A quick search pulls up The Audubon Society among them, and the Smithsonian another. I can provide links if you care to read them.

When you used the word "myth", that sort of implies that it's not a problem at all.

Well it is a problem, a big one actually, and not just according to the enviro-wackos either. Of course, if you take the position that a lot of birds dying is not a big problem because it's not really a high enough number of dead birds worth worrying about in your opinion, then there is probably no use trying to convince you otherwise.

[bigfellascott]

The thing I find funny about wind turbines is they can't operate in high winds - WTF pretty sure a coal powered station operates 24/7 regardless of weather, it's the biggest crock of ****** this eco friendly stuff, just a great con if you ask me.

Everything has it's limits in extreme weather I guess. Like a sail boat has to collapse it's sales in a storm, or you don't put the boat in the water if the sea is too rough.

True enough mate, those in SA found that out recently hey. I'd rather stick with the coal powered or hydro myself, at least it's not affected by weather events like the wind and solar are.