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Post by pete1 » 28 Apr 2017, 9:02 pm

So heres a idea if we all visited Gun Control Australia's website at one it would crash wouldn't it? I'm not a computer expert. It's not illegal either all where doing is going to view lies at the same time and poor statistical analysis.

Personally i believe in changing peoples opinion on the matter maybe we need to invite our politicians to a come and try day. I know it's been done before, but each one we get from the anti's is a win. In the end we have a sport where there is equality and people just enjoying their self in a safe environment.
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Post by Download » 28 Apr 2017, 10:49 pm

I would suggest not. It's likely a creative lawyer could get you done for DDoS'ing given there is little technical difference between the two. In fact, I suspect intent is key.
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Post by Noisydad » 29 Apr 2017, 6:52 am

"Swarming" by hundreds of shooters of their more stupid posts and comments spontaneously happens anyway and don't they hate it!
Oddly though they tend to leave the more abusive comments and delete/ block those that ask questions they clearly find to tough. I'm starting to think they really, REALLY don't like being challenged lol! That is the nature of and the way of narcissistic, self righteous, holier than thou, control freaks which is the root of their mental disorder and our challenge.
Now that I've been blocked by several of my "favourite" anti's I'm even considering starting a fake FB account just to challenge their lies. I'm kind of missing that particular lunchtime entertainment.
There's still a few of Wile. E Coyote's ideas that I haven't tried yet.
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Post by bigfellascott » 29 Apr 2017, 8:40 am

It was the Anniversary of P.A. yesterday and I didn't hear boo about it - that's a nice change.
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Post by Wylie27 » 29 Apr 2017, 9:27 am

bigfellascott wrote:It was the Anniversary of P.A. yesterday and I didn't hear boo about it - that's a nice change.


Wow bfs I didn't even realise. That was a nice change
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Post by bigfellascott » 29 Apr 2017, 10:03 am

Wylie27 wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:It was the Anniversary of P.A. yesterday and I didn't hear boo about it - that's a nice change.


Wow bfs I didn't even realise. That was a nice change


It was nice not to have to relive it - I guess Trump has got the medias attention and more profit in him now than the P.A. bashing? :unknown:

Speaking of Trump I see he was at some NRA meeting showing his support for the right to own firearms etc. :thumbsup:
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Post by Jd256 » 29 Apr 2017, 11:48 am

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companie ... cid=HPCDHP
Looks like Trump got this contraption on the ok list too
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Post by duncan61 » 29 Apr 2017, 12:08 pm

I have just gone to gun control australia.Wow i can see what you mean they make claims with no proof what so ever.20 drive by shootings a month if I lived there I would move real quick
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Post by RoginaJack » 29 Apr 2017, 1:48 pm

There was a very brief mention on channel 7 News last night - "On this day....'. Actually caught me by surprise, all over in 30sec or less.
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Post by Fritz » 29 Apr 2017, 7:53 pm

pete1 wrote:So heres a idea if we all visited Gun Control Australia's website at one it would crash wouldn't it? I'm not a computer expert. It's not illegal either all where doing is going to view lies at the same time and poor statistical analysis.


Technically yes. BUT, you would need a LOT of people to visit at once before the computer says no.
This would be a DDOS attack (Distributed denial of service attack) and in the case of the GCA website would really be a waste of time. The down time wouldn't be for that long before the server reassigns resources to combat the attack.
I think in reality, you would need 10's of thousands of visits per minute, for hours or days to really do some damage. The thing is, that "Damage" would be denying service for legitimate visitors to see the page, and you must ask yourself this... How many "legitimate visitors" do they actually get??
Deploying mass resources for a DDOS attack just to stop a handful of people (if that) just isn't worth it as the effects would only be temporary.

Nothing to see here, move along!
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Not trying to kill your idea. I know exactly where you're coming from. Looking at some of the crap on their website and in the media just infuriates me to no end.
All that head banging got me thinking as well, and I did have an idea, that unlike a temporary DDOS attack, that idea would be a permanent blow to their "views". Unfortunately this one is about as illegal as a DDOS attack (if performed in this country). I may have stepped over the line a little with my binary (my bad) so will absolutely will not go into detail on a public forum, or probably not at all. Maybe one day I may look into it but not right now

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Post by on_one_wheel » 29 Apr 2017, 8:15 pm

This comes to mind ...
If a tree fell in the forest and nobody was there to hear it, would it make a sound ?

The funny thing is that if you achieved your goal of crashing the site, nobody would notice :lol:

Best thing we can do is sit back and let them do what they do best ... make fools of them selves. :thumbsup:
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Post by on_one_wheel » 29 Apr 2017, 8:23 pm

Fritz wrote:
pete1 wrote:So heres a idea if we all visited Gun Control Australia's website at one it would crash wouldn't it? I'm not a computer expert. It's not illegal either all where doing is going to view lies at the same time and poor statistical analysis.


Technically yes. BUT, you would need a LOT of people to visit at once before the computer says no.
This would be a DDOS attack (Distributed denial of service attack) and in the case of the GCA website would really be a waste of time. The down time wouldn't be for that long before the server reassigns resources to combat the attack.
I think in reality, you would need 10's of thousands of visits per minute, for hours or days to really do some damage. The thing is, that "Damage" would be denying service for legitimate visitors to see the page, and you must ask yourself this... How many "legitimate visitors" do they actually get??
Deploying mass resources for a DDOS attack just to stop a handful of people (if that) just isn't worth it as the effects would only be temporary.

Nothing to see here, move along!
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Not trying to kill your idea. I know exactly where you're coming from. Looking at some of the crap on their website and in the media just infuriates me to no end.
All that head banging got me thinking as well, and I did have an idea, that unlike a temporary DDOS attack, that idea would be a permanent blow to their "views". Unfortunately this one is about as illegal as a DDOS attack (if performed in this country). I may have stepped over the line a little with my binary (my bad) so will absolutely will not go into detail on a public forum, or probably not at all. Maybe one day I may look into it but not right now

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Post by bladeracer » 30 Apr 2017, 4:20 am

I think a much better, simpler, more effective, and legal option would be to set up a site called "Gun Control Australia" focused on precision shooting. It should rapidly push theirs to the bottom of the Google Search Engine.
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Post by Heckler303 » 30 Apr 2017, 9:07 am

bladeracer wrote:I think a much better, simpler, more effective, and legal option would be to set up a site called "Gun Control Australia" focused on precision shooting. It should rapidly push theirs to the bottom of the Google Search Engine.



That would be a better idea, however I feel they may try to pull copywright even though as far as I know personally they have no name patent.

That and the fact they can't remember copywright protection to save themselves. Like that joinup between me and Steve Lee to pull down their video for tighter handgun control. They used his footage without amy credit and because they couldnt deny the copywright claim, off it went.
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Post by bladeracer » 30 Apr 2017, 9:21 am

Heckler303 wrote:
bladeracer wrote:I think a much better, simpler, more effective, and legal option would be to set up a site called "Gun Control Australia" focused on precision shooting. It should rapidly push theirs to the bottom of the Google Search Engine.



That would be a better idea, however I feel they may try to pull copywright even though as far as I know personally they have no name patent.

That and the fact they can't remember copywright protection to save themselves. Like that joinup between me and Steve Lee to pull down their video for tighter handgun control. They used his footage without amy credit and because they couldnt deny the copywright claim, off it went.



I thought copywrite only applied if you tried to register the name in some way?
Alternatively, simply plastering "Gun Control Australia" across the site should be enough to push theirs out of the top searches?
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Post by Ratsmitglied » 30 Apr 2017, 10:14 am

Trademark is registering the name, copyright is a different kettle of fish, still under the umbrella of intellectual property though

So i don't see that there would be too many difficulties in co-opting the phrase, problem comes to trying to influence search results, and that is a black box...
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Post by bladeracer » 30 Apr 2017, 10:18 am

Ratsmitglied wrote:Trademark is registering the name, copyright is a different kettle of fish, still under the umbrella of intellectual property though

So i don't see that there would be too many difficulties in co-opting the phrase, problem comes to trying to influence search results, and that is a black box...



I would assume it hinges on site traffic? And perhaps relevance to the search query? So having lots of instances of the phrase throughout the site should also affect it?
If our site contains actual information about precision shooting plus links out to many other pages firearm related then traffic should be far higher than their site gets.
There could even be a "Jokes" page linking to GCA, The Greens, The RSPCA, Labor Party and such ;-)
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Post by Ratsmitglied » 30 Apr 2017, 10:23 am

Most search engines don't reveal their algorithms for page rank, but occurrence of the search terms is one small bit of it now, convincing them you are a trusted source is one, and with Google making sure you are mobile friendly helps, links out and back to you from other trusted sites also helps...

And then you have the human element, as anything can be manipulated manually
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Post by on_one_wheel » 30 Apr 2017, 10:36 am

bladeracer wrote:

I would assume it hinges on site traffic? And perhaps relevance to the search query? So having lots of instances of the phrase throughout the site should also affect it?
If our site contains actual information about precision shooting plus links out to many other pages firearm related then traffic should be far higher than their site gets.
There could even be a "Jokes" page linking to GCA, The Greens, The RSPCA, Labor Party and such ;-)


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Post by bladeracer » 30 Apr 2017, 10:44 am

Ratsmitglied wrote:Most search engines don't reveal their algorithms for page rank, but occurrence of the search terms is one small bit of it now, convincing them you are a trusted source is one, and with Google making sure you are mobile friendly helps, links out and back to you from other trusted sites also helps...

And then you have the human element, as anything can be manipulated manually



That's all beyond me I'm afraid :-)
I made myself a small website in the nineties that was really just a place for me to dump information about whatever I was working on. I even had a domain name for a few years, but I don't have the inclination anymore to mess with html and Java stuff.
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Post by Ratsmitglied » 30 Apr 2017, 10:59 am

I leave it to the people who are paid to deal with it
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Post by WatchyShooter » 30 Apr 2017, 3:13 pm

Just a google of GCA shows how inept they are, onto the 2nd page and still nothing.

Type in SSAA or IPSC and see how relevant the results are.

That's what GCA is now, irrelevant, they've been fudging their member numbers for years now, they're running out of steam and that's the best time for us to act.

Share SSAA posts on your Facebook, LDP, shooters unions, anything that supports us, start trying to get people at the range onto forums like this to help us actually pull together and fight for our rights.
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Post by bladeracer » 30 Apr 2017, 5:35 pm

WatchyShooter wrote:Just a google of GCA shows how inept they are, onto the 2nd page and still nothing.

Type in SSAA or IPSC and see how relevant the results are.

That's what GCA is now, irrelevant, they've been fudging their member numbers for years now, they're running out of steam and that's the best time for us to act.

Share SSAA posts on your Facebook, LDP, shooters unions, anything that supports us, start trying to get people at the range onto forums like this to help us actually pull together and fight for our rights.



Yep, been doing all that as well as discussions on FB trying to change the minds of the sheep that don't actually understand which soapbox they're on.
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Post by dpskipper » 30 Apr 2017, 9:16 pm

Google takes into account lots of things in determining what order to display stuff in the search results. Obviously if you want to dominate the Google front page, you consult an SEO expert. I do know that google factors in: URL, query, site traffic and now SSL cert.
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Post by WatchyShooter » 01 May 2017, 12:53 am

LOL

GCA have no SSL or HTTPS hahahaha.

I'd be worried if I'd used there site to store my information in any form at all.
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Post by doc » 01 May 2017, 5:17 pm

LOL guncontrolaustralia.com is currently available for registration. It's an international domain (ie, not .au) so you don't need an ABN/Organisation/etc registration to register it - anyone can.

(I'm betting that it won't be available by the time I check again tomorrow)...

I like the idea of creating a website with the same name (at least for someone who knows what they're doing ;) ) - and putting actual facts on their that prove the lies of GCA themselves. Great idea blaceracer!
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Post by GLS_1956 » 01 May 2017, 6:51 pm

When you are fighting for your freedom, you don't give the enemy a break, or an advantage. Those who wish you ill will take every opportunity to attack you, and will criticize you for defending yourselves.

Here in the USA on occasions where guns have been used in horrible acts, you immediately see the anti-gun groups leap into action spouting what ever lie and line they desire. But when pro-gun forces also speak out they, the anti-gun persons, will decry those organizations for "Not having the decency to wait until the dead are buried", to speak in defense of the gun owning population. However they, the anti-gun groups, feel no need to restrain themselves from going on the attack.
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Post by Gwion » 02 May 2017, 1:41 pm

doc wrote:LOL guncontrolaustralia.com is currently available for registration. It's an international domain (ie, not .au) so you don't need an ABN/Organisation/etc registration to register it - anyone can.

(I'm betting that it won't be available by the time I check again tomorrow)...

I like the idea of creating a website with the same name (at least for someone who knows what they're doing ;) ) - and putting actual facts on their that prove the lies of GCA themselves. Great idea blaceracer!



If i wasn't already paying fees on 5 domains i would jump on this! :thumbsup:
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Post by WatchyShooter » 02 May 2017, 9:30 pm

I've seen the comments on lots of post going our way, check these out

https://www.facebook.com/abc/posts/10154973171719550

https://www.facebook.com/usydconservati ... 06/?type=3

https://www.facebook.com/DavidShoebridg ... 9484062902

https://www.facebook.com/Firearmownersu ... 8623127820

This is good, those first two just look at those comments, people are waking up and finally speaking up!
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Post by hobbit » 03 May 2017, 10:39 am

Gwion wrote:
doc wrote:LOL guncontrolaustralia.com is currently available for registration. It's an international domain (ie, not .au) so you don't need an ABN/Organisation/etc registration to register it - anyone can.

(I'm betting that it won't be available by the time I check again tomorrow)...

I like the idea of creating a website with the same name (at least for someone who knows what they're doing ;) ) - and putting actual facts on their that prove the lies of GCA themselves. Great idea blaceracer!



If i wasn't already paying fees on 5 domains i would jump on this! :thumbsup:


Guess who has a new domain :D
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