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Post by duncan61 » 09 Aug 2017, 8:20 pm

This same clown who nearly shot his mate was stirring me a few days earlier about how I used a case polisher and how they just kept loading and never cleaned their rifles
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Post by juststarting » 09 Aug 2017, 8:25 pm

Reading this, and my opinion is starting to drift, just wow
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Post by JimmyS » 09 Aug 2017, 8:39 pm

I think we all just wanna go to the range and have a good time, why is there even all this bulls**t politics involved? We all want to do the same thing, shoot at targets, pieces of metal, hunt and improve our skills in relation to shooting.
I wonder if America has the same issues as we do here.
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Post by duncan61 » 09 Aug 2017, 8:47 pm

I am greatful we have Ranges to go to as and when we like.They are usually manned by more mature people with a wealth of experiance
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Post by bladeracer » 10 Aug 2017, 3:41 am

duncan61 wrote:I am greatful we have Ranges to go to as and when we like.They are usually manned by more mature people with a wealth of experiance



Mildura is the only range I'm aware of where we can go whenever we wish. There are heaps on non-SSAA ranges around me, but none of them are open every day, even for members. My nearest SSAA range is only open two days per month.
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Post by marksman » 10 Aug 2017, 12:43 pm

duncan61 you tell a very good story,
your question about "how did someone get a stuck round? how is that the ranges fault" highlights ignorant ambiguous thoughts about the responsibility's at a range and give thought to a question "why do you have to get your firearms cleared before you can take them off a firing line?" and " is it the responsibility of the customer to clear his own firearm?" really don't think so it's the RO's job to confirm your firearm is clear before you can take it away and if you shoot comp target shooting you know it, at little river you cannot take a firearm off the firing line without it being cleared unless it is in the to hard basket because the RO's don't know how to deal with it, like this incident we are talking about, I hope you understand this is not you and your mates shooting on some private property we are talking about

you can get a stuck round from factory ammo, seen it heaps, a lot of tikka t3's have tight chambers and don't like ppu ammo as it may be very tight to chamber, some cant chamber ppu factory ammo at all, its not a bad thing a tight chamber is IMO good

what Jimmys said is spot on
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Post by duncan61 » 10 Aug 2017, 10:21 pm

Thanks for not taking it personal.You have made good points
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Post by Archie » 11 Aug 2017, 11:08 am

For what its worth I've usually found the Sydney branch ranges generally pretty good and safety-conscious. Different branch and different state of course.
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Post by marksman » 11 Aug 2017, 1:40 pm

duncan61 wrote:Thanks for not taking it personal.You have made good points


no worries duncan, there was nothing you said that would be taken personal
we all have our way of looking at things
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Post by southwest shooter » 11 Aug 2017, 5:25 pm

I go to eagle park every now and then only ever had good times . Check the zeros , shoot paper and the gongs then check all the rifles on the line .
I'm only a ssaa member because I like the magazine to be truthful !
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Post by Member-Deleted » 11 Aug 2017, 8:01 pm

Archie wrote:For what its worth I've usually found the Sydney branch ranges generally pretty good and safety-conscious. Different branch and different state of course.

Yes they have good ranges but nothing spoils a day at the range more than an over zealous range officer.
Shooting for about 40 years now and love getting treated like a f $$kg 5 year old especially at the St Mary's indoor range.
"Open the lever of the gun".
But it is.(3/4)
"No open it fully"
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Post by marksman » 15 Aug 2017, 5:12 pm

southwest shooter wrote:I go to eagle park every now and then only ever had good times . Check the zeros , shoot paper and the gongs then check all the rifles on the line .
I'm only a ssaa member because I like the magazine to be truthful !


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Post by andreweden » 15 Aug 2017, 9:29 pm

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Archie wrote:For what its worth I've usually found the Sydney branch ranges generally pretty good and safety-conscious. Different branch and different state of course.

Yes they have good ranges but nothing spoils a day at the range more than an over zealous range officer.
Shooting for about 40 years now and love getting treated like a f $$kg 5 year old especially at the St Mary's indoor range.
"Open the lever of the gun".
But it is.(3/4)
"No open it fully"
WTF. Little Gestapo pricks.
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Ripley has a 'single shot rule' on the rifle range which no one can explain why when you have a pistol range 20m away where they have semi autos with 10 round mags, but using a bolt action with your magazine......oh nooooooooooooo. Rifles out of cases in the car park, no bags or cases! Pistols much remain cased until you are on the line. Shotgun range it appears anything goes. Nothing highlights dumb rules like inconsistency.
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Post by bigfellascott » 15 Aug 2017, 11:47 pm

I think that single round only comes from Target shooting where single feed seems to be the norm. As has been pointed out it's stupid when other forms of shooting can use fully loaded mags, anyway glad I don't have to worry about any of that crap anymore.
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Post by Smiley » 18 Aug 2017, 7:32 am

Having skimmed through this thread, I think I must belong to one of the best SSAA branches. We are a relatively small club in a rural area and don't have the political bs of larger branches.
We accommodate pistol, shotgun and rifle shooters (generally on different days), members pay $8 range fees and non members $16. You can stay there all day if you wish. We have many people who turn up just to muck around with thier own gear and nothing else.
We allow the use of magazines and muzzle brakes and you can shoot any calibre which fits in with our safety template. Paper targets are free, as is the use of our steel targets and loan of our front rests and rear bags. Once a month we have junior traning days, where we supply the kids with 50rds of ammo and tution for free. We are all volunteers.
We are Saturdays only though, some Sundays with prior arrangement with the land owner.
It's no wonder people keep coming back.

I do, however, have a reserved opinion of the state excutive on some topics.
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Post by bigfellascott » 18 Aug 2017, 11:22 am

Smiley wrote:Having skimmed through this thread, I think I must belong to one of the best SSAA branches. We are a relatively small club in a rural area and don't have the political bs of larger branches.
We accommodate pistol, shotgun and rifle shooters (generally on different days), members pay $8 range fees and non members $16. You can stay there all day if you wish. We have many people who turn up just to muck around with thier own gear and nothing else.
We allow the use of magazines and muzzle brakes and you can shoot any calibre which fits in with our safety template. Paper targets are free, as is the use of our steel targets and loan of our front rests and rear bags. Once a month we have junior traning days, where we supply the kids with 50rds of ammo and tution for free. We are all volunteers.
We are Saturdays only though, some Sundays with prior arrangement with the land owner.
It's no wonder people keep coming back.

I do, however, have a reserved opinion of the state excutive on some topics.


Sounds like Rocksberg - it would be the only SSAA Club I would join. :thumbsup:
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Post by marksman » 18 Aug 2017, 5:43 pm

the single shot rule stops reloaders from function testing there magazines and firearms with the magazines that can lead to hazardous unlawful practices such as checking fit and function of reloaded ammunition at home,
ssaa little river were thinking of using single shot rule as there was an incident in the USA apparently where a customer opened fire on other customers before knocking himself, that is why they have the no magazines on benches during the cease fire rule, because you cant be trusted to not flip out, why do we need the anti's?
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Post by TheDude » 19 Aug 2017, 8:02 am

marksman wrote:the single shot rule stops reloaders from function testing there magazines and firearms with the magazines that can lead to hazardous unlawful practices such as checking fit and function of reloaded ammunition at home,
ssaa little river were thinking of using single shot rule as there was an incident in the USA apparently where a customer opened fire on other customers before knocking himself, that is why they have the no magazines on benches during the cease fire rule, because you cant be trusted to not flip out, why do we need the anti's?


At Ripley you just need to ask the RO if you want to do any mag testing.
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Post by marksman » 19 Aug 2017, 8:30 pm

sungazer wrote:I think that me not be the reason. If you want to test your magazine simply remove the firing pin from the bolt. You can pretty safely test as much as you want that way.


with the firing pin removed you are still loading a firearm at home, still breaking the law
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Post by bigfellascott » 19 Aug 2017, 9:13 pm

marksman wrote:
sungazer wrote:I think that me not be the reason. If you want to test your magazine simply remove the firing pin from the bolt. You can pretty safely test as much as you want that way.


with the firing pin removed you are still loading a firearm at home, still breaking the law


What if you own a farm and it's ya home. :lol:
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Post by marksman » 20 Aug 2017, 10:21 am

I get what you are saying LOL
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Post by Oldbloke » 20 Aug 2017, 11:52 am

"with the firing pin removed you are still loading a firearm at home, still breaking the law«

Mmmmm,, never really thought of that. Is that right?
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Post by bigfellascott » 20 Aug 2017, 12:53 pm

Got any links to where it is mentioned in the Regs that you can't load a firearm at home?
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Post by marksman » 20 Aug 2017, 2:12 pm

sorry I don't and to be truthful could not be buggered looking but rule number 8 in the vic firearm safety rules states "never have loaded firearms in the Home, car or camp"
I'm sure all vic licence holders know that LOL
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Post by Archie » 20 Aug 2017, 4:01 pm

marksman wrote:sorry I don't and to be truthful could not be buggered looking but rule number 8 in the vic firearm safety rules states "never have loaded firearms in the Home, car or camp"
I'm sure all vic licence holders know that LOL


Yeah but thats not the same thing. You can legally load a firearm at home (of course, depending on where you live, you maybe shouldn't); what you can't do is leave a gun loaded when is not in use, for example when it's in the safe.

But there's nothing to say that you can't load it to check the magazine and then unload it before putting it away. Although personally if I lived in a non-rural area I probably wouldn't but thats a safety thing.
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Post by marksman » 20 Aug 2017, 5:50 pm

take a look at S.130(1) of the vic firearms act and make up your own mind

the act does not actually say you cant check the fit and function of ammunition at home
but it does say you cannot carry or use a loaded firearm in a town or populous place, there are people exempt eg: police, security guards ect

IMO if you are loading the mag and checking function fit of ammo in your rifle you have a loaded firearm
this is something I would not push I think having a loaded firearm at home even to check your ammo is irresponsible
but to be certain I will ask the dfo in my area for the proper answer and get back to you about it as I would not want someone to think it was ok, rural or not
I will be seeing him on thursday
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Post by Oldbloke » 20 Aug 2017, 6:01 pm

Well, most re-loading manuals say after completing the reloading to check the ammo feed out of the magazine and chambers ok. Personally if I load 20 or 40 I would select say 3 or 4 at random and check them before boxing them.

What are we meant to do? Drive an hour to the range to check them?
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Post by bladeracer » 20 Aug 2017, 6:15 pm

marksman wrote:take a look at S.130(1) of the vic firearms act and make up your own mind

the act does not actually say you cant check the fit and function of ammunition at home
but it does say you cannot carry or use a loaded firearm in a town or populous place, there are people exempt eg: police, security guards ect

IMO if you are loading the mag and checking function fit of ammo in your rifle you have a loaded firearm
this is something I would not push I think having a loaded firearm at home even to check your ammo is irresponsible
but to be certain I will ask the dfo in my area for the proper answer and get back to you about it as I would not want someone to think it was ok, rural or not
I will be seeing him on thursday



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Post by bigfellascott » 20 Aug 2017, 7:11 pm

marksman wrote:take a look at S.130(1) of the vic firearms act and make up your own mind

the act does not actually say you cant check the fit and function of ammunition at home
but it does say you cannot carry or use a loaded firearm in a town or populous place, there are people exempt eg: police, security guards ect

IMO if you are loading the mag and checking function fit of ammo in your rifle you have a loaded firearm
this is something I would not push I think having a loaded firearm at home even to check your ammo is irresponsible
but to be certain I will ask the dfo in my area for the proper answer and get back to you about it as I would not want someone to think it was ok, rural or not
I will be seeing him on thursday


Maybe you should ring them up and ask permission before you do it hey? :D
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Post by Member-Deleted » 20 Aug 2017, 9:07 pm

bigfellascott wrote:I think that single round only comes from Target shooting where single feed seems to be the norm. As has been pointed out it's stupid when other forms of shooting can use fully loaded mags, anyway glad I don't have to worry about any of that crap anymore.

This is where in Sydney is rediculous -
At the St Mary's indoor range 50m I can fully load a rifle magazine and even stand at the bench and shoot.But at silverdale 25m- 200m bench outdoors you have to load 1 bullet at a time even if it's a tube feed .22.F@@kg stupid if you ask me. :roll:
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