Even the SSAA clubs are sick of how SSAA represents us :-)

[bladeracer]

Why don't all you people afraid of and being caught or breeching safety rules do what I have done for a few of my mates
Go to a scrap steel joint or try and get a piece of 6'' pipe 600mm-1m long with wall thickness not under 8mm fit and weld a piece of 25mm plate in the end
on the top weld a piece of 8mm plate with a hole cut in the middle 35-40mm diameter pour 100-150mm of sand into the pipe to stop side expansion of fragments
They can be painted up to look not out of place in the house also make a wood or steel stand to stabilize it while firing into it
We have fired up to 30-06 into it in the laundry we thought it would buck a bit so the first trial was done out in the open but surprised us greatly
And noise if you fired a 308 into it in the lounge room the neighbours would think you had dropped a small saucepan in the kitchen
Now I wouldn't go below the size and measurements as I have given above up to 30-06 and go thicker with wall and base plate for larger calibre
Maybe wall @12-16mm and base plate 30mm up
All this was made for less than $40, scrap pipe and plate

How does that address the legality of loading your firearm in a populous place though?

[Plinker]

Plinker wrote, "Hi, new to the sport and was thinking about joining local SSAA but after reading the posts on this topic, I'm not sure."

You don't have to be a member of SSAA to shoot at their ranges. They will usually just charge a higher "non-member" range fee for the day. Go to a range and ask. If you are in Kilmore, I really don't think it is too big a task to drive down to Little River for the day. Noiseydad, who's on this forum, shoots at Seymour. Perhaps a shout out to him?
There are plenty of SSAA haters on this forum and they have their reasons,
I personally shoot in various competitions that they run and feel I get good use out of my membership.

Is the organisation perfect? NO.
Have I ever had issues with that? YES.
Have I been to various ranges and had problems with an over-zealous range officer? YES.
Can I just go hunting instead? YES

BUT: I always get over it. I enjoy my sport too much to get all twisted up inside over a couple of bad days or experiences. I can walk out my back door and be in the bush in about 200m, but, I'd rather drive 3-4hrs to spend the week-end at a competition shoot. I encourage you to attend a branch range that suits you and see what is on offer. Then, after attending a few times, make your own mind up. If as you say, you want to learn to shoot better, there is no better way than competition shooting to hone your skills and confidence. Everything you can learn will translate to you being a better shooter, be it at the range or hunting out in the bush.

Thanks gamerancher, this is probably what I'll do. Try to build up some expertise at a SSAA branch/range and then funds permitting, move up to centerfire and get out into the state Forrest

[Plinker]

Plinker wrote, "Hi, new to the sport and was thinking about joining local SSAA but after reading the posts on this topic, I'm not sure."

You don't have to be a member of SSAA to shoot at their ranges. They will usually just charge a higher "non-member" range fee for the day. Go to a range and ask. If you are in Kilmore, I really don't think it is too big a task to drive down to Little River for the day. Noiseydad, who's on this forum, shoots at Seymour. Perhaps a shout out to him?
There are plenty of SSAA haters on this forum and they have their reasons,
I personally shoot in various competitions that they run and feel I get good use out of my membership.

Is the organisation perfect? NO.
Have I ever had issues with that? YES.
Have I been to various ranges and had problems with an over-zealous range officer? YES.
Can I just go hunting instead? YES

BUT: I always get over it. I enjoy my sport too much to get all twisted up inside over a couple of bad days or experiences. I can walk out my back door and be in the bush in about 200m, but, I'd rather drive 3-4hrs to spend the week-end at a competition shoot. I encourage you to attend a branch range that suits you and see what is on offer. Then, after attending a few times, make your own mind up. If as you say, you want to learn to shoot better, there is no better way than competition shooting to hone your skills and confidence. Everything you can learn will translate to you being a better shooter, be it at the range or hunting out in the bush.

Thanks gamerancher, this is probably what I'll do. Try to build up some expertise at a SSAA branch/range and then funds permitting, move up to centerfire and get out into the state Forrest

[Member-Deleted]

Sorry Bladeracer I forgot to explain further
Well it would be a safety device something extra to argue your case if at any time you were checked on by the powers to be
It doesn't make it any more legal or any less for that matter but it would let them know that you had no intension of discharging the rifle on purpose
It would only be there for accidental discharge and if you were unfortunate enough to have that happen then you would be safe and have minimum
noise to alert the whole neighbourhood and bring in the police
The reason we shot into them was to make sure that they could not harm a person in anyway what so ever also to see if they jumped excessively when fired into

As I said earlier lets not split hairs and I really think it would be to peoples advantage to have something like this to prove their argument if they were ever checked on
Most police are practical minded and if they saw that you had gone to some extent for testing ammo through your rifle at home ( other than firing it ) then I don't think there would be a problem
The problem is when they can be seen waving a rifle about by the public or passer by people, otherwise why would they come calling other than rifle and storage checks
So the whole ( legal not legal saga of putting bullets through your rifle to look for faults in them ) is turned into a safety issue ,which in most cases will stand up in
most courts
It would most curtain give you a case to argue

Cheers

[Oldbloke]

Wouldn't it just be easier to remove the firing pin? In most cases anyway.

[Wylie27]

Or not pull the trigger......

[Oldbloke]

Isn't this waaaay of topic?

[Member-Deleted]

Boys I didn't say you had to make one or have one it was just a suggestion
we're back splitting hairs remember every thing on this forum is optional nobody makes anybody do anything they don't wont to do
If you want to remove the firing pin do so each to his/her own and as far as don't pull the trigger there is a thing called accidents believe it
or not and people have been shot
Yes Oldbloke probably is off topic didn't mean to just thought i'd let people know a way to be safe at home whilst cycling ammo through their rifles
Best of luck

BYE

[bigfellascott]

Boys I didn't say you had to make one or have one it was just a suggestion
we're back splitting hairs remember every thing on this forum is optional nobody makes anybody do anything they don't wont to do
If you want to remove the firing pin do so each to his/her own and as far as don't pull the trigger there is a thing called accidents believe it
or not and people have been shot
Yes Oldbloke probably is off topic didn't mean to just thought i'd let people know a way to be safe at home whilst cycling ammo through their rifles
Best of luck

BYE

If you had a Howa with 3 stage safety you wouldn't need to remove the firing pin, the bolt can be cycled with the safety on which is another great feature of the mighty Howa

[Daddybang]

Boys I didn't say you had to make one or have one it was just a suggestion
we're back splitting hairs remember every thing on this forum is optional nobody makes anybody do anything they don't wont to do
If you want to remove the firing pin do so each to his/her own and as far as don't pull the trigger there is a thing called accidents believe it
or not and people have been shot
Yes Oldbloke probably is off topic didn't mean to just thought i'd let people know a way to be safe at home whilst cycling ammo through their rifles
Best of luck

BYE

If you had a Howa with 3 stage safety you wouldn't need to remove the firing pin, the bolt can be cycled with the safety on which is another great feature of the mighty Howa

Same for the mod 70..

[Daddybang]

Does it have a firing pin mechanical stop? Stopping the trigger being pulled is a good safety but if your cycling the bolt and hard and fast the pin can go off.

Mod 70 stops the pin. I don't have a howa so not sure.

[Oldbloke]

Boys I didn't say you had to make one or have one it was just a suggestion
we're back splitting hairs remember every thing on this forum is optional nobody makes anybody do anything they don't wont to do
If you want to remove the firing pin do so each to his/her own and as far as don't pull the trigger there is a thing called accidents believe it
or not and people have been shot
Yes Oldbloke probably is off topic didn't mean to just thought i'd let people know a way to be safe at home whilst cycling ammo through their rifles
Best of luck

BYE

Not having a go. Good suggestion, just seems a lot of work when in most cases just remove the firing pin. But yes at a range great idea.

Higher numbers = higher risk.

[Member-Deleted]

Yeah little bit of work about 1/2 hour good for rifles like lever action where pins are harder to remove, hand guns as well
The local club has 2 now they're thinking of making it a rule that all guns be checked in one before moving around with them from club to car
Most law enforcement buildings have a similar thing like a box where the weapon is placed in and checked before and after use
The club is only small 40-50 members they were tied up with SSAA but I think its private now too much BS they say money was going away from the area
instead of being used to upgrade the range so local farmer loaned the land for a 800yrd range and runs a grader over it once in awhile
I'm not a member but I do shoot there some times also I pay what all the other guys pay probably $2-$3 more for insurance plus $15 per day to shoot
All up about $75 per year + B B Q at end of year
I might use it twice in 3 years clubs are not my thing too many rules although they're there for good reason
Years ago when I did do a bit of shooting with the club we could only shoot on weekends when there wasn't a comp on even though there was plenty of room
for us to do so some times it could be 3weeks before non comp members could shoot so I moved on but now its private I think you can buy a key for $9
and shoot when you like ,this was done because SSAA tried to run it with an iron fist and they ended up loosing 1/2 the members
So the farmer a shooter himself derailed it all pulled rank and made it a private range its still run as a business just a little less hassle

Cheers

[scaredyet]

SSAA NSW president retires don't know what that means but I guess it's a good start

[Oldbloke]

I can remove the firing pin from my mod 70 or Marlin x7 in about one minute. But many take a fair bit longer. One of the reasons my Marlin 30-30 went.

But if your reloading I don't know why you would run all the rounds through the action. I just select a small sample. Say 2 or 3 per box

[Member-Deleted]

Yeah mate that's heaps can't think of a reason to do more unless you found a bad one but then you would do them all ( maybe )

[Member-Deleted]

Yeah mate that's heaps can't think of a reason to do more unless you found a bad one but then you would do them all ( maybe )

[marksman]

you don't need to run your cases through your rifle chamber to check them for fit
you can use a case gauge from wilson and have the same results without breaking the law in a populous place or risking an unintentional discharge or having to pull your rifle apart http://www.lewilson.com/casegage.html this shows there is no reason to be doing it at home for fit, case gauges don't cost much and could save you a lot of crap in your life

[Gwion]

if your only neck sizing the case body can become just that slightly bit sticky that would be embarrassing not to mention a disqualification if you were at a competition.

I'm a little confused. Wouldn't a case that is 'sticky' to feed be sticky to extract on the previous firing?