How dumb can a gun club be?

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Re: How dumb can a gun club be?

Post by Gwion » 21 Nov 2017, 12:25 pm

doc wrote:
cflake wrote:I joined this club a while ago and yes you must provide a full list (inc serial #) of all longarms and handguns when joining


It does sound then as though the club has overstepped it's requirements. The regulations only mention handguns.

I question why a club needs to keep more records on firearms than what is legally required. What benefit can come out of it? (Just like our current registry - it seems as though the potential for abuse is far greater than any benefit - especially if it's not legally required).



Yep. I'd be steering well clear of these clubs. All you need to record in Tas, as a club, is Name and licence number of members. Dunno about handgun clubs but for rifles, this is all. As a club executive member, i wouldn't want the responsibility of being liable for any further sensitive info...
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Re: How dumb can a gun club be?

Post by marksman » 22 Nov 2017, 7:13 am

I think the title should be "How dumb can a state be"
to expect a club to be able to keep all this info safe is asking for trouble and why would you want a club to keep this info for, what does it help :unknown:
its as bad as the Vic LRD letting the info out this year
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Re: How dumb can a gun club be?

Post by doc » 22 Nov 2017, 4:46 pm

marksman wrote:I think the title should be "How dumb can a state be"


After a bit of research and what I can gather so far - I think it's both at fault.

I can't see that everything they've recorded (Make, Model, etc) is a requirement by VicPol. Especially for the longarms. This appears to be above and beyond what is required - and thus at the least reckless of the club to store the extra information that is not required.

However I also agree that the states are dumb for asking information to be stored as well. At the very least if they're not going to get rid of the registry -they should be asking for records stored that give them the information they require, but nothing else.

Firearm dealers could record the firearms license number of the person doing the transfer and omit name and address. VicPol can find out from that license number the rest of the details. They don't need the name and address recorded which opens up issues. That would make it far safer for us - but they seem as though they don't care about real security and real crims - they just want info on us, and crims finding and stealing firearms is apparently better than one legit shooter not being able to be tracked down as easy. :roll:

Same with clubs. Store the license number of the shooter and serial no of the gun if they really feel the need to. But full names, addresses, make and model numbers of firearms is straight out dangerous.
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Re: How dumb can a gun club be?

Post by shouta » 28 Nov 2017, 6:50 am

Even if the Club Database didn't have firearm information, it would have had Name, Address & other Contact Details.

So I would be very concerned if this database got into the wrong hands because there is a very good chance that by being a member of a pistol club there may be a very good chance that you actually own a gun and store it at the address listed on the database.
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Re: How dumb can a gun club be?

Post by bullzeye » 28 Nov 2017, 11:38 am

Some of the pistol clubs still operate in an old fashioned way. Yes they have to record all hand guns owned and their serial numbers.

But this information is stored in the Secretary's book and locked in the club safe after each meet.

Probably still the safest way to keep this kind of information. Too easy for computers and online systems to be hacked these days.
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Re: How dumb can a gun club be?

Post by No1Mk3 » 28 Nov 2017, 7:16 pm

G'day doc,
You are wrong. It IS a requirement, and it is one of my jobs, in conjunction with our Secretary, to do this.(Handguns only, for those who wonder). Firearms Act 1996 V.80, Part 6A, Division 1, Sections 123B and 123C. we must KEEP records of who, and their details re: licence, address etc, as well as attendance, details of firearms used etc. 123C are our annual reporting obligations, so we must KEEP all these records for at least 24 months. We have had numerous meetings with the various Inspectors in charge of LRD and the results are always the same, we MUST have this information and provide it when requested.As I posted before, never keep the database on a net connected device, never email info, transfer by hard copy in person or by USB.
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Re: How dumb can a gun club be?

Post by doc » 29 Nov 2017, 10:19 am

Hi No1,

Thanks for correcting me - I've been given the wrong information by the sounds of it.

I just don't get it. I've heard cops give people hard times because they have stickers on the backs of their vehicles "I shoot, I vote", etc saying that this gives information to people who might want to rob your place. (Which I understand their logic)...

But then there's laws that do just the same but worse: The VicPol registry, DEWLP registry for hunting licenses, firearm dealers, and now I find out gun clubs as well - all forced to store the critical information together on a multitude of people at various locations - all just opportunities waiting to be taken advantage of.

How can the government not see just how much risk this all adds for no benefit.
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