O'Reilly's in Thornbury robbed earlier today.

[juststarting]

Can't see blood stains on black hoodies. Needs to be fresh blood and white hoodie for that. It will dry brown... Can't wear white when hunting. Unless, of course, you're in the snow, then it could work, maybe.

[juststarting]

Maybe the police should just make stealing guns illegal, then we can all live happily ever after

AusTac made a funny. LOL. Gold.

[Sarco]

The thing that ppppps me off is it started in the Vic media as up to 50 handguns, then went to up to 55, then over 55, then up to 60, then over 60.

So how many was it really?

Additionally, the media reports give the impression that ALL of these handguns were on display in a glass case.

Personally, I doubt it.

[juststarting]

Ye, I picked up on that too. But never been to that shop, so who knows... Maybe.

[Archie]

I would put down good money that we'll see private ownership of handguns banned before we see state governments altering carry laws to allow gun shop owners or employees to use them to prevent armed robberies.

If politicians get it into their heads that the only way to stop theft of semi-automatics by criminals is armed guards, then the instinctive response will be "they're just too dangerous to have, either in shops or people's homes, even in a safe" and then it'll be game over.

[Archie]

I would put down good money that we'll see private ownership of handguns banned before we see state governments altering carry laws to allow gun shop owners or employees to use them to prevent armed robberies.

If politicians get it into their heads that the only way to stop theft of semi-automatics by criminals is armed guards, then the instinctive response will be "they're just too dangerous to have, either in shops or people's homes, even in a safe" and then it'll be game over.

[AusTac]

That joint is unfortunately my closest gunshop but i avoid it as much as possible for various reasons, they did have a few handguns in a glass cabinet certainly not 60 or whatever it is now unless they happened to get some epic shipment in the last couple of weeks

[juststarting]

Archie, with spastic danny at the helm, you're probably and unfortunately correct. He's done for, in his out of touch mind, this could be his chance at redemption.

[Corn]

That joint is unfortunately my closest gunshop but i avoid it as much as possible for various reasons,

I’m quite nosy, I’d be interested in knowing those various reasons!
Completely understand if you don’t wish to divulge such information.

[slickncghia]

Sometimes O'Rileys incompetence is in our favour. Got a nice rifle for a great price that they didn't know they had out back that had a basically half price sticker on it.

Also picked up some projos that they seemed to miss price for cheap.

But customer service is their main issue

[bullzeye]

In Australia, if someone points a gun and you, and you happen to have a gun in your possession - surely you can defend yourself?

[No1Mk3]

I know of 2 shops where the counter staff were armed, the last of them only closed last year as the owner retired.

[Wylie27]

In Australia, if someone points a gun and you, and you happen to have a gun in your possession - surely you can defend yourself?

Short answer is Yes.

Long answer is yes with a but..

What were you doing with that firearm, why was it loaded, was it your only alternative. It opens up a whole lot of other questions. Self defence isnt a genuine reason for owning a firearm, however it doesnt necessarily say anything about using it for that purpose.

Its a rabbit hole.

[wanneroo]

It's funny the more they tighten the gun laws and rights in Australia, the more lucrative the illicit gun trade becomes for the gangs.

I'm sure the response of many in the police and state and federal governments is why not ban handguns? I mean that should fix the problem, right?

[Oldbloke]

I'm sure the response of many in the police and state and federal governments is why not ban handguns? I mean that should fix the problem, right?

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[AusTac]

I feared that the life of myself and/or family member was in danger detective

[Wylie27]

In Australia, if someone points a gun and you, and you happen to have a gun in your possession - surely you can defend yourself?

Short answer is Yes.

Long answer is yes with a but..

What were you doing with that firearm, why was it loaded, was it your only alternative. It opens up a whole lot of other questions. Self defence isnt a genuine reason for owning a firearm, however it doesnt necessarily say anything about using it for that purpose.

Its a rabbit hole.

I was just cleaning it officer......

you were cleaning a loaded gun? lol

I know what you mean though.. It is a valid reason, is it justifable in court.. would you go through all that? Like what happened to the Farmer? treated like a criminal etc..

[bullzeye]

Are there any recent court cases in Australia where a LAFO genuinely used their gun in self defence - and by the law was ok to do so?

I’d definitely be interested in reading up on them if so.

[juststarting]

There are... At least a couple.

[bullzeye]

Got any links I could check out?

[juststarting]

I'll need to search...

[Supaduke]

Mick gatto vs Benji Veniamin
Google that,

One of the more famous ones, people involved had a fair bit of noterity.

[BRNO_Bigot]

I seem to remember an 80 year old guy in WA shot home invaders with a shotgun and didn't face charges, but can't remember what happened to his firearms ....

Sorry, couple of years ago.

[anthillinside]

The thing that ppppps me off is it started in the Vic media as up to 50 handguns, then went to up to 55, then over 55, then up to 60, then over 60.

So how many was it really?

Additionally, the media reports give the impression that ALL of these handguns were on display in a glass case.

Personally, I doubt it.

Doubt it? it'd be damb near impossible
4 assailants, 60 Guns, thats 15 each they had to carry out,
Plus the wepons they entered with!
Or did they have wheelbarrows?
Someone is egging the pudding

[Daddybang]

Mick gatto vs Benji Veniamin
Google that,

One of the more famous ones, people involved had a fair bit of noterity.

Yep no worries for a major crime identity to defend himself but not "normal" people!!

[Daddybang]

I seem to remember an 80 year old guy in WA shot home invaders with a shotgun and didn't face charges, but can't remember what happened to his firearms ....

Sorry, couple of years ago.

Feb 2009 (according to Mr Google)

[Baronvonrort]

Mick gatto vs Benji Veniamin
Google that,

One of the more famous ones, people involved had a fair bit of noterity.

Yep no worries for a major crime identity to defend himself but not "normal" people!!

Gatto spent over a year in jail before the court said it was self defence.

Self defence laws vary by state, WA appears to be a little better so check your state laws for this.

[bullzeye]

I don't think a court case involving criminals is what I want to compare to.

Self Defence Law in NSW - http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/view ... /s418.html

"the conduct is a reasonable response in the circumstances as he or she perceives them."

I think if someone is pointing a gun at you/ or shooting at you, a reasonable response is to do the same back..

Be great to read some cases on this. I'll try having a search around.

[Daddybang]

Mick gatto vs Benji Veniamin
Google that,

One of the more famous ones, people involved had a fair bit of noterity.

Yep no worries for a major crime identity to defend himself but not "normal" people!!

Gatto spent over a year in jail before the court said it was self defence.

Self defence laws vary by state, WA appears to be a little better so check your state laws for this.

Do ya know if he was remanded for the shooting or for other offenses? I know eff all about it other than what the media said and we all know they suffer from chopper reed syndrome!!

[Baronvonrort]

Mick gatto vs Benji Veniamin
Google that,

One of the more famous ones, people involved had a fair bit of noterity.

Yep no worries for a major crime identity to defend himself but not "normal" people!!

Gatto spent over a year in jail before the court said it was self defence.

Self defence laws vary by state, WA appears to be a little better so check your state laws for this.

Do ya know if he was remanded for the shooting or for other offenses? I know eff all about it other than what the media said and we all know they suffer from chopper reed syndrome!!

I found this-

Gatto had earlier been released from jail after being acquitted of murdering one of his rivals on the grounds of self defence.
The court heard how Gatto had spent more than 14 months behind bars over the alleged offence, of which 11 months was spent in solitary confinement.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-25/crime-figure-mick-gatto-fined-over-discovery-of-loaded-shotgun-/7657924