juststarting wrote:Natural news website? Are you for real? This is a website that was intentionally delisted by Google for spreading malicious, false and fake information. Like natural cures for cancer and how vaccinations... Anyway, you get the point. Nothing on that website can be trusted.
Oldbloke wrote:"They guy might be a cock but he makes a good point."
No criminal checks, no training, no consideration of mental disorders, no storage requirement.
No medicare, almost no assistance for the unemployed, almost no old age pension, a very few own almost everything. High drug use, few people own there own home. Oh and Hollywood makes it look normal to kill people.
Add it all up and there would be a hell of a lot of pissed of nutters.
Just my opinion. Maybe I'm right maybe I'm wrong.
wanneroo wrote:Oldbloke wrote:"They guy might be a cock but he makes a good point."
No criminal checks, no training, no consideration of mental disorders, no storage requirement.
No medicare, almost no assistance for the unemployed, almost no old age pension, a very few own almost everything. High drug use, few people own there own home. Oh and Hollywood makes it look normal to kill people.
Add it all up and there would be a hell of a lot of pissed of nutters.
Just my opinion. Maybe I'm right maybe I'm wrong.
Yes you are wrong and uninformed.
First understand in the USA there is federal gun law, state gun law and local gun laws(depending on the state, some states have a preemption statute).
"No criminal checks" Incorrect. In order to sell firearms for profit, you must have a Federal Firearms License(FFL). Anyone, anywhere in the USA that purchases a gun at an FFL must fill out a ATF Form 4473. Copy of which is here:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473- ... 9/download
Upon submission of this form, the dealer calls the FBI NICS hotline with your information. If you have a clear record approval is granted. If you do not or have something that is not clear, the dealer is not allowed to process the transaction. Lying on the Form 4473 is a crime with a 5 year prison sentence. Also various state laws and forms may need to be submitted or followed as well.
"No Training" Incorrect. Organizations like the CMP and NRA provide extensive subsidized education in all sorts of firearms and safety across the USA. In addition depending on state and local laws, additional training may be required to obtain concealed permits. In addition there is also an extensive firearms training market in the USA.
"No consideration of mental disorders" Incorrect. One night of involuntary commitment bans you for life from firearms ownership in the USA and as long as organizations submit those records to NICS, you'll be in the database. Protective abuse orders and other similar issues and medications also ban you as well.
"No storage requirement". Depends on the state and locality. Personally I do not need big government telling me how to store my firearms at home.
"No Medicare". Incorrect. Old folks end up on Medicare at 65 and poor folks by the tens of millions have access to Medicaid.
"Almost no assistance to the unemployed" I have to laugh and roll on the ground for that one. We have tens of millions on EBT food and cash assistance, WIC, rent assistance, energy bill assistance, unemployment insurance. Poor Americans are dying of obesity not starvation. Over 100 million Americans get some form of Federal assistance. The welfare state is bloated and wasteful.
"Almost no old age pension". Wut? Every American that works for someone or is self employed must pay Social Security tax. You become eligible in your 60s and once you choose to take it, you get a check for the rest of your life every month.
"A very few own almost everything" Not from what I have seen, no.
"High drug use". Too much for sure. But life is about choices and some chose to make poor ones.
"Few people own their home". Actually the USA has some of the highest rates of home ownership around.
"Hollywood makes it normal to kill people" If there is one thing some Australians don't understand is that Hollywood is not America.
Oldbloke wrote:"They guy might be a cock but he makes a good point."
No criminal checks, no training, no consideration of mental disorders, no storage requirement.
No medicare, almost no assistance for the unemployed, almost no old age pension, a very few own almost everything. High drug use, few people own there own home. Oh and Hollywood makes it look normal to kill people.
Add it all up and there would be a hell of a lot of pissed of nutters.
Just my opinion. Maybe I'm right maybe I'm wrong.
on_one_wheel wrote:What I found interesting lately was the lack of reporting in Australian news about Wednesday's American high school stabbing rampage.
Didn't even rate a mention
Archie wrote:on_one_wheel wrote:What I found interesting lately was the lack of reporting in Australian news about Wednesday's American high school stabbing rampage.
Didn't even rate a mention
Got a link?
Baronvonrort wrote:Archie wrote:on_one_wheel wrote:What I found interesting lately was the lack of reporting in Australian news about Wednesday's American high school stabbing rampage.
Didn't even rate a mention
Got a link?
This is an older one, 21 stabbed in an American high school, the gun grabbers downplay it saying at least they weren't shot
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/22/us/pennsylvania-teen-high-school-stabbing-prison-sentence/index.html
Archie wrote:Baronvonrort wrote:Archie wrote:on_one_wheel wrote:What I found interesting lately was the lack of reporting in Australian news about Wednesday's American high school stabbing rampage.
Didn't even rate a mention
Got a link?
This is an older one, 21 stabbed in an American high school, the gun grabbers downplay it saying at least they weren't shot
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/22/us/pennsylvania-teen-high-school-stabbing-prison-sentence/index.html
Well, the bigger point from the media’s point of view is that in that attack, unlike the Florida shooting, no one died. But I’m still curious as to the one that occurred on Wendnesday?
Oldbloke wrote:Well I must be way off the mark then. Everyone in the US is as happy a pig in s**t. And law abiding citizens. Educated, healthy, wealthy and sane. Ooops and live very long lives.
Soooo, why are they shooting each other so bloody often? What is the root cause?
marksman wrote:I have to say that what wanneroo said about the US is what I have heard from my daughter and son in law who live in the US
and I have asked a heap of questions about especially what is reported from our media sources
we don't get the same perspective from the media here in Australia,
some of the things that I have asked about because that is what has been in our news has made them roll around laughing
our media is that full of s**t
Oldbloke wrote:Soooo, why are they shooting each other so bloody often? What is the root cause?
wanneroo wrote:marksman wrote:I have to say that what wanneroo said about the US is what I have heard from my daughter and son in law who live in the US
and I have asked a heap of questions about especially what is reported from our media sources
we don't get the same perspective from the media here in Australia,
some of the things that I have asked about because that is what has been in our news has made them roll around laughing
our media is that full of s**t
Well one, it is always interesting to see and watch Australian media, especially left wing organizations like ABC, describe or discuss the United States and reason being most of the time it is totally detached from reality and facts to the point it's hysterical.
Archie wrote:on_one_wheel wrote:What I found interesting lately was the lack of reporting in Australian news about Wednesday's American high school stabbing rampage.
Didn't even rate a mention
Got a link?
grandadbushy wrote:Well wanneroo that last statement rings fairly true to me ''The only real places to Worry about are the places with
the strictest gun laws '' it looks like the laws don't work there
My thinking is that people should be allowed to carry and have hand guns providing they go through the right channels
to aquire them such as finger prints ,ballistics on the firearm , training , background checks, medical check for mental
stability and probably a few more that I can't think of at the moment
In the end you are completely in charge of that gun and say for instance you have an argument and shoot and kill some
one then you do life imprisonment not manslaughter or a trade off its ''LIFE'' for murder
Now if you shoot and kill someone in self defence due course should be taken to prove that this is exactly what happened
and not be treated as a criminal until such times as it is or is not proven
This reason that the police give of they don't want everyone armed and taking things into their own hands is flawed
the crims do that now only the legal owners don't so doesn't that say something
And all the anti gun people wouldn't buy guns '' so they say '' then there is the ownership of the gun with the name of the owner
attached to the ballistics of that gun easy to find out who done what ''or a lot easier anyway'
The benefits would be that criminals would think twice before entering a dwelling with intent to commit a crime while knowing that the
occupant was armed
At the moment these mongrels are picking on the easy targets like old people and the less capable
Hand to hand training has merit but how do you get an eighty year old to kick the crap out of an eighteen year old offender for
defence
My question to the anti gun people is '' If the guns are so dangerous and have a mind of their own so as to shoot people then ban them
from law abiding peoples hands then why do police and security guards have them strapped to their sides and then why ban a gun on its
looks because it will frighten people when police and security guards have them in full view of these so easily frightened people''
It makes no sense and what don't make sense usually doesn't work proven fact
sungazer wrote:The US has much harsher sentencing laws than we do. In some states the three strikes rule applies and they can be very minor crimes. A lot of banned for life from owning a gun again for some very minor stuff. In Australia you might be ineligible to hold a license for two years perhaps 5. Very hard to compare, I do think in the US they make more generalizations when it come to sentencing that are on the harsher side rather than having the mitigating circumstances that is so often used here. I do think that each case needs to be dealt with and decided individually though not a one size fits all.