Gun-nut wrote:
Even if YOUR fine with it, doesn't mean that others aren't for various reasons. Either way we should NEVER give in to the antis.
Gwion wrote:..... if you don't want to do it or cant afford to, sell a few of your firearms so that you have fewer than 10.
Gwion wrote: Tassy has the second highest crime rate per capita in Australia after NT. Theft & violent crime rates per capita are around 7 times that in Victoria (from memory, check AIC & ABS). Couple that stat with the ever increasing rise of ICE and that makes increasing security all round a good idea in my book.
<<Genesis93>> wrote:Gwion wrote:..... if you don't want to do it or cant afford to, sell a few of your firearms so that you have fewer than 10.
Bazzzinga!!
Aaaand they have won.
Exactly what the plan was... to DISCOURAGE the LAWFUL ownership of firearms, so G-banger suggests you not only bend over for them, but hold the container of lube too!!Gwion wrote: Tassy has the second highest crime rate per capita in Australia after NT. Theft & violent crime rates per capita are around 7 times that in Victoria (from memory, check AIC & ABS). Couple that stat with the ever increasing rise of ICE and that makes increasing security all round a good idea in my book.
While at the same time crime rate are doing what??
Gwion wrote:<<Genesis93>> wrote:Gwion wrote:
You, my friend, and those like you, are the most effective weapon the antis have. Your tired, rabble rousing rhetoric serves only to keep the divide between shooters and non shooters as wide as possible. The "them and us" line is feeble, tired and childish.
Just imagine the headline:
"Shooters Protest Safe Storage of Firearms"
Well done, Genisis, you're really helping the cause!
Gwion wrote:Gwion wrote:..... if you don't want to do it or cant afford to, sell a few of your firearms so that you have fewer than 10.
Bazzzinga!!
Aaaand they have won.
Exactly what the plan was... to DISCOURAGE the LAWFUL ownership of firearms, so G-banger suggests you not only bend over for them, but hold the container of lube too!!Gwion wrote: Tassy has the second highest crime rate per capita in Australia after NT. Theft & violent crime rates per capita are around 7 times that in Victoria (from memory, check AIC & ABS). Couple that stat with the ever increasing rise of ICE and that makes increasing security all round a good idea in my book.
While at the same time crime rate are doing what??
So, I guess you're inferring that all the people who comply with these same regs in other states, without complaint, are also just "anti stooges who are happy to take it up the arse"???
You, my friend, and those like you, are the most effective weapon the antis have. Your tired, rabble rousing rhetoric serves only to keep the divide between shooters and non shooters as wide as possible. The "them and us" line is feeble, tired and childish.
Just imagine the headline:
"Shooters Protest Safe Storage of Firearms"
Well done, Genisis, you're really helping the cause!
<<Genesis93>> wrote:Gwion wrote:Gwion wrote:..... if you don't want to do it or cant afford to, sell a few of your firearms so that you have fewer than 10.
Bazzzinga!!
Aaaand they have won.
Exactly what the plan was... to DISCOURAGE the LAWFUL ownership of firearms, so G-banger suggests you not only bend over for them, but hold the container of lube too!!Gwion wrote: Tassy has the second highest crime rate per capita in Australia after NT. Theft & violent crime rates per capita are around 7 times that in Victoria (from memory, check AIC & ABS). Couple that stat with the ever increasing rise of ICE and that makes increasing security all round a good idea in my book.
While at the same time crime rate are doing what??
So, I guess you're inferring that all the people who comply with these same regs in other states, without complaint, are also just "anti stooges who are happy to take it up the arse"???
You, my friend, and those like you, are the most effective weapon the antis have. Your tired, rabble rousing rhetoric serves only to keep the divide between shooters and non shooters as wide as possible. The "them and us" line is feeble, tired and childish.
Just imagine the headline:
"Shooters Protest Safe Storage of Firearms"
Well done, Genisis, you're really helping the cause!
Perhaps go back and read my comment, s l o w l y if it helps, theres no inference about people complying, its about people REDUCING THEIR FIREARM STOCKS.....
Now go make a knife, or just hammer your anvil maniacally...
Now cease your nonsense.
Bills Shed wrote:
OK children, now go back to you reloading room and think about what you have done
I do not think you two are getting anywhere. Go build bullets
Bill
Gwion wrote:Bills Shed wrote:
OK children, now go back to you reloading room and think about what you have done
I do not think you two are getting anywhere. Go build bullets
Bill
OK... sorry uncle Bill....
Gwion wrote:<<Genesis93>> wrote:Gwion wrote:..... if you don't want to do it or cant afford to, sell a few of your firearms so that you have fewer than 10.
Bazzzinga!!
Aaaand they have won.
Exactly what the plan was... to DISCOURAGE the LAWFUL ownership of firearms, so G-banger suggests you not only bend over for them, but hold the container of lube too!!Gwion wrote: Tassy has the second highest crime rate per capita in Australia after NT. Theft & violent crime rates per capita are around 7 times that in Victoria (from memory, check AIC & ABS). Couple that stat with the ever increasing rise of ICE and that makes increasing security all round a good idea in my book.
While at the same time crime rate are doing what??
So, I guess you're inferring that all the people who comply with these same regs in other states, without complaint, are also just "anti stooges who are happy to take it up the arse"???
You, my friend, and those like you, are the most effective weapon the antis have. Your tired, rabble rousing rhetoric serves only to keep the divide between shooters and non shooters as wide as possible. The "them and us" line is feeble, tired and childish.
Just imagine the headline:
"Shooters Protest Safe Storage of Firearms"
Well done, Genisis, you're really helping the cause!
<<Genesis93>> wrote:You know that the primary consideration of 'safe storage' is removing access to the OWNER..... though it's 'marketed' as keeping the firearms safe from theft and access by unlicensed, particularly kids.....
Safe storage = no defensive use.... therefore it should be up to the owner whether or not they lock the guns up... as a kid my old man had a cupboard full of ammo, just out of reach..... and the guns not locked up.... SOMEHOW I resisted to temptation to not combine A with B.
Common sense SHOULD NOT be legislated....
TheGreenwolf wrote:safe storage is about the only part of firearms laws that makes sense.
TheGreenwolf wrote:unless your a criminal you dont need guns in aus for self defence, unless the indonesians invade.
use a short sword its quieter
seriously tho, it removes the accidental shootings. and prevents the school shootings which mean that we can still have guns. more shooting of people = more restrictions.
keeping your firearms locked up means they don't get stolen as easy which considering the cost is also a bonus.
Gwion wrote:
I have no issue storing my firearms in a safe but having to keep bolt separate, magazine unloaded, etc. is a real drag. Not from a self defense point of view but from a practical point of view. More than once i have missed a chance at feral cats wandering across my back paddock because it is such a bloody process to unlock two doors, fit the bolt, load the ammo.......
I would never store a loaded gun but a few rounds in a mag and the bolt already in would make life a hell of a lot easier sometimes.
Gwion wrote:TheGreenwolf wrote:unless your a criminal you dont need guns in aus for self defence, unless the indonesians invade.
use a short sword its quieter
seriously tho, it removes the accidental shootings. and prevents the school shootings which mean that we can still have guns. more shooting of people = more restrictions.
keeping your firearms locked up means they don't get stolen as easy which considering the cost is also a bonus.
I have no issue storing my firearms in a safe but having to keep bolt separate, magazine unloaded, etc. is a real drag. Not from a self defense point of view but from a practical point of view. More than once i have missed a chance at feral cats wandering across my back paddock because it is such a bloody process to unlock two doors, fit the bolt, load the ammo.......
I would never store a loaded gun but a few rounds in a mag and the bolt already in would make life a hell of a lot easier sometimes.
While i'm not part of the WE NEED GUNS FOR SELF DEFENCE brigade, i will pick up on your comments by saying we have never had a school shooting and the history of mass shootings in Australia is well dominated by the government shooting indigenous people. There have been a total of exactly BUGGER ALL mass shootings in Australia; so that argument is mute. If you look into the real figures of firearms violence in Australia, it is almost (not quite) entirely the domain of the "underworld" types who are not, in any way, constrained by any form of firearms laws or regulations.
Diesel wrote:
There is no requirement to remove the bolt in Tasmania.