Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Daddybang » 12 Jan 2018, 10:31 pm

YoungBuck wrote:
Daddybang wrote:I think I dropped a 2 off the mv stated above :unknown: :drinks:

Ah that explains why I though you were taking the piss - 95gr at 980fps :lol: Just Googled it, yes its 2980fps.
Does it really produce a lighter recoil? The PPU 90gr is pretty much the same MV - 2969fps.

edit: scratch that last, it's 3100fps (945m/s).


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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by YoungBuck » 20 Jan 2018, 9:36 pm

This thread is getting well off topic, but for those following along I did put on an after market recoil pad which has made quite the difference ("Smartcells advanced recoil pad").
I fired 20 x rounds at LR range today and my shoulder is only very slightly sore from it. Far less sore than from the 6 shots last time with the stock pad. Feels more like a pulled muscle now rather than bruising. Could have fired another dozen rounds before getting discomfort I reckon.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Oldbloke » 20 Jan 2018, 10:33 pm

Good. Much better then.
Are the group OK?

Reminds me I need a new one on my 3006 must be 25 yr old. Lol. Gone hard.
Will give the old one a good test tomorrow.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Member-Deleted » 24 Jan 2018, 9:05 am

I’ve been shooting the 95gr SST Hornady factory ammo for $53 dollars a box 20, then changed to 80gr GMX Hornday for $67 dollars a box. My gun hated them so now I’m shooting the 87gr OSA buffalo river at $39 dollars and they shoot great. They have 70gr aswell for around the same price. I wouldn’t go any lighter than that on my .243. As to using lighter rounds for less recoil I’ve never really felt a difference in it with all the rounds I’ve tried over the years with .243 it’s not a real kicker.... Shoot more with it and you’ll get use to it and relax a bit. I have a 45/70 1886 Winchester with a steel butt plate and I have seen people shoot that for the first time and hold it so tight it kills them.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by YoungBuck » 24 Jan 2018, 10:29 am

Wadogger wrote:now I’m shooting the 87gr OSA buffalo river at $39 dollars and they shoot great.

Of the 3 different ammo brands I shot, the Buffalo River 70gr was the only one to shoot sub MOA. I would now like to get another couple boxes of the 70gr and a box each of the 87gr and 100gr to see how they perform.
Anyone know a Melb GS that sells Buff River ammo for a decent price?
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Oldbloke » 24 Jan 2018, 12:07 pm

Sounds like YB needs to get into reloading...........Am I repeating myself here?

I can load my 3006 with 130gr proj for $17 a box of 20. I never buy ammo. The LGS is asking $33 a box of 20 150 gr plus my fuel to drive to the LGS.

He doesn't sell 130gr ammo only the bullets. So I get what I want this way.

A Lee kit is about $260 from memory. The kit should pay for its self in about 10 boxes.
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LGS lists 75 gr Hornady vmax at $49 a 100. And ADI lists AR2208 36gr as a middle of the road load. So reloading cost is about $15.40 a box of 20 for you. (not counting your time and brass, but you have that now.)

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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by YoungBuck » 24 Jan 2018, 1:13 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Sounds like YB needs to get into reloading...........Am I repeating myself here?

Lol yes I noticed your repetition!
Didn't think I'd need to look at reloading so soon, then again I suppose the sooner I start the sooner the I start saving coin.
Sh*t looking at those numbers you posted it really does make sense to start sooner than later.
Guess I'll start researching. Gonna need a bench in the garage too now, no way the mrs will let me do this in the house.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Oldbloke » 24 Jan 2018, 2:22 pm

You don’t need heaps of stuff to start reloading. Some can be made or purchased second hand
YOU MUST HAVE *
* O or C Frame press-Any 7/8” press, some come with the priming tool - I have a simplex. The "O" is stronger.
* Priming tool
* Shell holder
* Dies- MUST have for each calibre. Lee RGB are the cheapest to get you started. ~$45
* Loading block(s) Easy to make
* Sizing lube- Any heavy oil will do or Lanox
* Powder funnel-Must have one of these.
* Scales. A MUST. Beam or electronic. I have beam. And everyone winges about the lee scales??
* Components, Powder, Primers Projectiles, Cases
* Access to ADI Powder manual-for loading data.
* Manual on how to do it or someone to show you.


OPTIONAL or Can wait a while
Trimmer- I think you need to buy one of these with each cartridge in the lee kit. But a generic one is best. It will do almost any cartridge, most companies sell them. I have a simplex.
Powder scoops-Easy to make
Powder measure. (If you load lots)
Primer pocket cleaner, Easy to make
De burrer, A sharp pocket knife and fine file will do this if you have nothing else
Trickler or very tiny scoop. Easy to make too
Vernier caliper to check case length & OAL. I got away with a dial plastic one for years.
Tumbler, But I use the salt/vinegar solution. Fine for most.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Member-Deleted » 24 Jan 2018, 4:51 pm

A 223 with cheap rounds and no recoil, very accurate could of been perfect!
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Post by Oldbloke » 24 Jan 2018, 4:57 pm

Wadogger wrote:A 223 with cheap rounds and no recoil, very accurate could of been perfect!


I agree. But he went 243
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by YoungBuck » 24 Jan 2018, 5:05 pm

The purpose of the .243 was not only to take foxes at ranges beyond the .22 mag but also to be able to handle some larger pests that a .223 might not be recommended for. i.e. pigs. Hopefully sometime this year I intend to try head to NSW to plug some pigs, thus the .243 was the choice, otherwise I'd have gone .223.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Member-Deleted » 24 Jan 2018, 5:12 pm

Thanks oldbloke. Hopefully you shot a few .243”s and research prices before buying.... how much do you shoot for cost to be an issue young buck? 243 is good at burning barrels aswell if you go do a lot of range shooting.
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Post by Oldbloke » 24 Jan 2018, 5:14 pm

Fair enough
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by sungazer » 24 Jan 2018, 5:16 pm

Getting a bit off track again. i was looking at once fired 223 cases and reloading them (which I will still do) but I found the Buffalo River 55 gameking for $50 box of 50 and the Blitzking 55gr for $55 for 50. I couldn't do it for that, and i get the used brass.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by bladeracer » 24 Jan 2018, 6:15 pm

Wadogger wrote:Thanks oldbloke. Hopefully you shot a few .243”s and research prices before buying.... how much do you shoot for cost to be an issue young buck? 243 is good at burning barrels aswell if you go do a lot of range shooting.


If you back the loads down a bit from "full tilt" they should last a bit longer.
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Post by Member-Deleted » 24 Jan 2018, 6:29 pm

Might aswell shoot a 223 then.... :sarcasm:
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Oldbloke » 24 Jan 2018, 8:26 pm

Wadogger wrote:Might aswell shoot a 223 then.... :sarcasm:


If he's looking at pigs then bullet weight is a factor.

A starting load in 243 will have more punch than a 223.
Will ease the recoil issue and be a fair bit cheaper
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by YoungBuck » 24 Jan 2018, 9:32 pm

All good gents. Looks like I'll be getting into reloading over the next couple of months.
Don't know for sure but I'm thinking I'll end up with a lighter cartridge that I'd use on bunnies and foxes and probably another, heavier one for targets that need more energy to put them down. Not too fussed about the higher recoil as I don't think I'll be shooting a lot of them in a short bursts. Not to mention the new recoil pad is much more forgiving.
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Re: Cost of lighter projectiles in factory ammo

Post by Oldbloke » 24 Jan 2018, 10:39 pm

Then 2206h is probably the powder of choice for you.
It can be used for almost all bullet weights. But also you can use it for reduced loads. You can go down as far as 60% of the max charge. ADI do not recommend going that low with other powders for safety reasons.
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