Gwion wrote:Have a look here:
enoughgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8494
bigrich wrote:How often should you aneal your case necks anyway? Is this a caliber specific thing ? Just starting to get into reloading so any advice would be appreciated
brett1868 wrote:marksman pretty much nailed it for the budget approach and is correct in that brass doesn't need to be quenched in water. I invested in the Vertex Benchsource annealing machine, the one that looks like an old school record player. It'll hand anything from 17Hornet up to 50BMG with no further investment required unlike the AMP machine which costs almost double and needs case specific shell holders. I did notice they have updated the software where the machine can now self learn new cases, Aztec mode is what they are calling it. Depending on how much you have and how often you're thinking to anneal then possibly it's cheaper to outsource the job to some one local.
sungazer wrote:I use a turning method and a MAP gas torch the yellow one and then drop them into water. The turning method is much better than the standing them in water as it heats the case evenly. Yes cooling down can be done quickly or slowly apparently it doesn't matter with brass. I am having a play with a cheap ebay induction coil will see how that goes.
marksman wrote:I use a plumbers gas torch, the blue bottle one
I have in the past used a small paint brush handle in the primer pocket to hold the case
but for quite a while I have used a socket on a cordless drill to hold the case as the drill slowly turns the case
the flame is held on the shoulder/neck region, only wanting to heat up the top of the shoulder and neck
IMO you are better to anneal at night as the light is better for seeing change in colour, especially with a white background
first you see the case dry out, then a gold colour followed by a blue tinge before the case goes a red glow, I like to stop at the blue tinge
then I drop the case on my clean wooden bench to cool,
once you have done a couple you will have figured out how many seconds to turn them in the flame
you get a sort of rhythm going and do your count in your head, its not really difficult, I have shown my method to a few people who use it
some people have told me about dropping your case into water or standing it up in water so you dont heat up the case head
I believe that this does sound like good advise but is a Myth IMO and is not necessary
bigrich wrote:How often should you aneal your case necks anyway? Is this a caliber specific thing ? Just starting to get into reloading so any advice would be appreciated
brett1868 wrote:marksman pretty much nailed it for the budget approach and is correct in that brass doesn't need to be quenched in water. I invested in the Vertex Benchsource annealing machine, the one that looks like an old school record player. It'll hand anything from 17Hornet up to 50BMG with no further investment required unlike the AMP machine which costs almost double and needs case specific shell holders. I did notice they have updated the software where the machine can now self learn new cases, Aztec mode is what they are calling it. Depending on how much you have and how often you're thinking to anneal then possibly it's cheaper to outsource the job to some one local.
Rod_outbak wrote:Stix,
I'm about to build my own blow-torch annealer; pretty sure I have assembled the gear I should need, and then some extra odds & ends to tweak the design.
It might be a month or so before I'm underway, but I should have an idea of what gear I've bought will work, and what is a waste of time.
The parts required have been a confusing mess to figure out, and it's been pretty frustrating at times.
[If you do go the path of making your own, let me know if you'd like a short length of nylon rod, to use for the drum that picks up a case from the hopper. I ended up buying a metre of heat-tolerant nylon rod 80mm diameter, and I'm pretty darn sure I wont ever use half of it. It's supposed to be tolerant of temps up to around 100 degrees.
See http://www.engineeringplasticsonline.co ... ory/30-rod for specs]
I'll let you know how I get on.
Cheers,
Rod.
bigfellascott wrote:Never done it, still using cases that are around 30yrs old (222) the primer pockets seem to wear out (get loose) more than anything else I've noticed.
YoungSC wrote:sungazer wrote:I use a turning method and a MAP gas torch the yellow one and then drop them into water. The turning method is much better than the standing them in water as it heats the case evenly. Yes cooling down can be done quickly or slowly apparently it doesn't matter with brass. I am having a play with a cheap ebay induction coil will see how that goes.
I'd appreciate if you shared your findings as they progress. I recently put an order down for my first centrefire and have been researching induction coils over the last few days. I saw some of the ebay coils and was thinking of combing with a power supply, pump, timer and solenoid based trap door. Once I've bought some reloading equipment of course.
brett1868 wrote:marksman pretty much nailed it for the budget approach and is correct in that brass doesn't need to be quenched in water. I invested in the Vertex Benchsource annealing machine, the one that looks like an old school record player. It'll hand anything from 17Hornet up to 50BMG with no further investment required unlike the AMP machine which costs almost double and needs case specific shell holders. I did notice they have updated the software where the machine can now self learn new cases, Aztec mode is what they are calling it. Depending on how much you have and how often you're thinking to anneal then possibly it's cheaper to outsource the job to some one local.
Stix wrote:G'day Apollo...is that an all round invite or just for Brett...?
Maybe i should come for a visit with a boot load of brass... (& maybe a nice malt or 2 eh..!?!)
Yes the amp annealers are pretty schmick & very quick & easy to use...but i csn buy snother rifle & set of new brass for what it costs...!!!
Apollo wrote:Yep, expensive... Life is short and I'm having fun for the few months or so I have left.