herman wrote:Hi,
I'm in Victorian and are looking to get my collectors license - part of the requirement is that if you have more than five firearms, you require am intruder alarm system that complies with Australian Standard 2201.1:2007 which I don't mind but, I can't find any alarm systems that state that they comply with this standard. Can anyone assist with what brand model I should be looking at?
Thanks,
Herman
herman wrote:Thanks Bladeracer, what brands and models of alarms did they think were suitable to comply with the AS?
Hooper22 wrote:As far as I know any system sold in Au needs to comply. Obviously avoid anything Chinese made. I have installed a lot of Ness d8 panels. Very user/installer friendly. Also, I thought that to comply it would need to be installed by a licensed technician? (I am licensed, I forget whats actually in there as the industry is not particularly well regulated. Unlike electrical)
bladeracer wrote:herman wrote:Thanks Bladeracer, what brands and models of alarms did they think were suitable to comply with the AS?
I think most systems would comply. From memory, all the AS requires is something that will trigger an externally-mounted alarm and flashing light if anybody tries to access your firearms storage. PIR sensors covering the room you store your firearms in, movement sensors, door sensors, IR beams, etc. As I said, it's the most basic level of intruder alarm you can get.
I don't know if a collector's licence requires a higher level than the basic "more than fifteen A/B firearms". If it does, just copy the specific requirement and stress to the installer that whatever they give you must be compliant.
I went with a Bosch 6000 system, which is way more than I actually need. Wireless and tamper-proof PIR sensors, sirens and strobe light, wireless movement sensors on the inside of the safe doors, battery backup, tamper-proof box, key fob activation, etc. I've also got a second siren inside close to the safes to make it untenable for somebody to continue trying to access them after triggering the alarm. I also recommend setting PIR sensors covering each other, that way attempting to obscure one will trigger the other one.
Ideally, I'd like to add a smoke generator in the room but that starts at $2000 on its own.
I would contact CTC and ask their advice, they weren't any more expensive than other places I tried and were very helpful with me.
Mr.Seacucumber wrote:A smoke generator? Oh dude that’s awesome. Thanks for the information as well. I thought it needed to be back to base.
Wombat wrote:Here you go - https://infostore.saiglobal.com/en-au/S ... 07-364548/ $130 odd dollars (which is cheap for a standard) for a one use PDF.
You would think that it would be in the public interest for the Government printers to make copies of standards available at minimum cost, not the way it works unfortunately. I've spent thousands on useless standards for various work projects, all part of our level playing field.
Hooper22 wrote:Wombat wrote:Here you go - https://infostore.saiglobal.com/en-au/S ... 07-364548/ $130 odd dollars (which is cheap for a standard) for a one use PDF.
You would think that it would be in the public interest for the Government printers to make copies of standards available at minimum cost, not the way it works unfortunately. I've spent thousands on useless standards for various work projects, all part of our level playing field.
Yes this is something that has bothered me in past. Especially when they update them constantly and expect you to buy new copies every time
brett1868 wrote:Who needs an alarm when I have 400 acres, a shovel and a ute with a tray liner? .
brett1868 wrote:"But how does the ute and tray liner help"
Not good to get blood on paint, it can cause fading
brett1868 wrote:"But how does the ute and tray liner help"
Not good to get blood on paint, it can cause fading
bladeracer wrote:herman wrote:Hi,
I'm in Victorian and are looking to get my collectors license - part of the requirement is that if you have more than five firearms, you require am intruder alarm system that complies with Australian Standard 2201.1:2007 which I don't mind but, I can't find any alarm systems that state that they comply with this standard. Can anyone assist with what brand model I should be looking at?
Thanks,
Herman
I had trouble trying to get a copy of the AS as well. I think it's because the AS is pretty basic and the installers don't want people to know that. I can't find the info I eventually found, but it was very basic.
What I ended up doing was sending the requirement from the Act to an installer, stressing that the _primary_ requirement of the alarm system is that it comply with the Firearms Act. I dealt with CTC Communications, but being two hours out of Melbourne I simply bought the stuff they specified and installed it myself, with excellent assistance from CTC whenever I got stuck. My DFO had no problem with the setup I have here when he inspected. I additionally wanted a system that could message our phones whenever it gets triggered. Then we can remotely log into our CCTV system to see if anything is happening on site before calling Police.
brett1868 wrote:Who needs an alarm when I have 400 acres, a shovel and a ute with a tray liner? No such requirement in NSW (Yet) though I've got a fairly comprehensive security setup anyway.
bigfellascott wrote:Will that messaging setup work if you are in a dead spot with no phone reception?
bladeracer wrote:bigfellascott wrote:Will that messaging setup work if you are in a dead spot with no phone reception?
Probably not, but I haven't found anywhere with no reception yet other than out on the Nullabor.
bladeracer wrote:Also causes corrosion on ferrous metal, very annoying.
bladeracer wrote:bladeracer wrote:Also causes corrosion on ferrous metal, very annoying.
Having posted that, I've just cleaned the blood off my rifle. I was dragged out very early this morning to knock off a big buck 'roo hit by a quarry truck up the road. Three-inches of his left femur are just splinters on the road
Had a mob of four bouncing along the fence line looking for him so I dragged him all the way back to the house. Hopefully the rest have gone back to the bush now, but if not they can follow the drag back to his body for closure. Then Rose discovered two of our rabbits were out, so we had to chase them down. During which I managed to collect a rear foot across the left side of my face, bloody hell - gonna need a box of bandaids and a nice lie down after this morning!