Archie wrote:Don't know about you but I don't want to be standing next to the guy who pulls the trigger on a 3d printed polymer firearm in anything much bigger than a .22.
Gaznazdiak wrote:Archie wrote:Don't know about you but I don't want to be standing next to the guy who pulls the trigger on a 3d printed polymer firearm in anything much bigger than a .22.
Me either. That's the right part.
The fact that they are making it an offence carrying up to 14yrs for having what is basically a drawing, or even access to that drawing on the cloud is where they go over the top. As usual.
I'm not quite dumb enough to try it even if I had a 3D printer, but I am interested enough in guns to want to see the plans etc, but that simple, innocent interest could end with me as Bubba's new bitch.
Daddybang wrote:So is it illegal to own a book on gunsmithing with diagrams of firearms in it?
Daddybang wrote:So is it illegal to own a book on gunsmithing with diagrams of firearms in it?
tofu wrote:Daddybang wrote:So is it illegal to own a book on gunsmithing with diagrams of firearms in it?
dont mistake this for arguing because im all for guns but...
if you gave someone your gun smith book and they used it to make a working firearm and they point the finger at you when they are in trouble, you will likely be charged.
also, its about availability of materials. with a 3d printed firearm, you could go to aldi and pick up a 3d printer and the plastic. with a gun smith book, you'll still need to get all the materials which is harder to get.
Gaznazdiak wrote:tofu wrote:Daddybang wrote:So is it illegal to own a book on gunsmithing with diagrams of firearms in it?
dont mistake this for arguing because im all for guns but...
if you gave someone your gun smith book and they used it to make a working firearm and they point the finger at you when they are in trouble, you will likely be charged.
also, its about availability of materials. with a 3d printed firearm, you could go to aldi and pick up a 3d printer and the plastic. with a gun smith book, you'll still need to get all the materials which is harder to get.
Not quite right.
Gunsmithing books are readily available, and legal to buy and own.
https://www.gungods.net/five-of-the-bes ... nsmithing/
tofu wrote:
also, its about availability of materials. with a 3d printed firearm, you could go to aldi and pick up a 3d printer and the plastic. with a gun smith book, you'll still need to get all the materials which is harder to get.
Wombat wrote:tofu wrote:
also, its about availability of materials. with a 3d printed firearm, you could go to aldi and pick up a 3d printer and the plastic. with a gun smith book, you'll still need to get all the materials which is harder to get.
You could make a working slam fire shotgun with some pipe and fittings from Bunnings and a screw for a firing pin. I reckon if you took more than five minutes to source the parts its because it wasn't your local Bunnings.
Of course you would need the extensive tooling of a drill and bit.
tofu wrote:Gaznazdiak wrote:tofu wrote:Daddybang wrote:So is it illegal to own a book on gunsmithing with diagrams of firearms in it?
dont mistake this for arguing because im all for guns but...
if you gave someone your gun smith book and they used it to make a working firearm and they point the finger at you when they are in trouble, you will likely be charged.
also, its about availability of materials. with a 3d printed firearm, you could go to aldi and pick up a 3d printer and the plastic. with a gun smith book, you'll still need to get all the materials which is harder to get.
Not quite right.
Gunsmithing books are readily available, and legal to buy and own.
https://www.gungods.net/five-of-the-bes ... nsmithing/
yes but what im saying is if you provide someone that book and go they go and make a firearm illegally then its a problem. same as if you were to make one illegally.
tofu wrote:doesnt really matter what either of us think...i've asked police officers today at work and this is what they have said...now none of us (including the officers) are lawyers so who knows
Ratsmitglied wrote:I have 3D printer, and have to say anyone printing a 'gun' using the damn thing and expecting it not to blow up in your face is rather foolish (or, if it doesn't blow up in your face, getting any more than one shot). As Archie said, I wouldn't want to be standing next to someone using it for anything larger than a .22.
Perhaps on an industrial grade metal printer you could get something that works as expected (or more than once), but a regular home 3D printer is often printing PLA, which has a melting point between 180 and 200 degrees (depending on source), and you're also printing in layers, so effectively have a laminate for the receiver, barrel and everything else, and it is not unknown for prints to split along these layers when simply removing it from the print bed.
Gaznazdiak wrote:Ratsmitglied wrote:I have 3D printer, and have to say anyone printing a 'gun' using the damn thing and expecting it not to blow up in your face is rather foolish (or, if it doesn't blow up in your face, getting any more than one shot). As Archie said, I wouldn't want to be standing next to someone using it for anything larger than a .22.
Perhaps on an industrial grade metal printer you could get something that works as expected (or more than once), but a regular home 3D printer is often printing PLA, which has a melting point between 180 and 200 degrees (depending on source), and you're also printing in layers, so effectively have a laminate for the receiver, barrel and everything else, and it is not unknown for prints to split along these layers when simply removing it from the print bed.
G'day Alderman,
That's why I think it's so stupid to put outrageous penalties on simply having the plans.
Anyone dumb enough to try to fire one they made on an Aldi home 3D printer probably should be allowed to, just to weed the d!ckheads out of the gene pool.