zhuk wrote:Is there a blanket ban forever in ViC? Just asking because in NSW you can have convictions for violence with a firearm, domestic violence/breach AVO *and* convictions for terrorism offences - but after 10 years from the time served etc you don't have to tick 'yes' on those boxes on the licence application.
zhuk wrote:Is there a blanket ban forever in ViC? Just asking because in NSW you can have convictions for violence with a firearm, domestic violence/breach AVO *and* convictions for terrorism offences - but after 10 years from the time served etc you don't have to tick 'yes' on those boxes on the licence application.
Gaznazdiak wrote:Well Tom, your original response to me upon getting the advice you asked for, "GET A LIFE", would seem to show an impulsive temperament.
As I said, I don't know you and can only judge from your original statement and any other comments you make here, but seriously mate, if a stranger told you what you told us, what are you going to think?
Australia is suffering an epidemic of domestic violence, remember John Edwards, another guy with with a record of family violence who insisted it was all taken out of proportion?
He was eventually given access to firearms, that didn't end well.
If your situation is not as it would seem and you are in fact the victim, with all your actions taken out of context and the police, the courts and the education department all getting things wrong, that is truly unfortunate and you would have my sympathy.
Far better for one innocent guy be denied access to firearms than take the risk of another John Edwards.
Gaznazdiak wrote:David Eastman spent 19yrs in jail for the murder of Colin Winchester, a crime he has now been proven not to have committed.
Jäger wrote:I think you may be able to appeal the decision.
I'm guessing you'd end up having to front up to a Magistrate and convince him/her why they should grant you a license.
Gaznazdiak wrote:Well it wouldn't be the first miscarriage of justice Tom.
David Eastman spent 19yrs in jail for the murder of Colin Winchester, a crime he has now been proven not to have committed.
My only suggestion mate, is to seek professional legal advice if your desire to own a firearm is worth what that's likely to cost you.
With over zealous police, teachers with New Age ideas and teenagers being what they are it's far from impossible, so if that's the case, as I said, my sympathies, it would be a monumental embuggerance.
I do hope though, that you can appreciate the concern.
We shooters are some of the most regulation ridden people in the country and every time there is the slightest negative occurrence, whether it's an injury from a negligent discharge or a tragedy like Margaret River, the uninformed anti gun crowd use it as an opportunity to squeeze us further.
I do wish you well with it.
Jäger wrote:Gaznazdiak wrote:David Eastman spent 19yrs in jail for the murder of Colin Winchester, a crime he has now been proven not to have committed.
He may still have committed the crime, and circumstantially there is some evidence he did, but at the retrial there wasn't enough evidence.
The incompetence of the forensics witness is mind numbing.
In any case, this is another reason why you should never have the death penalty. Whether it's incompetence or indeed corruption, innocent people will die.
JakeN wrote:Gday mate
Speak to a lawyer specialising in firearms law
Get your day in court to have this sorted
Good luck
Far better for one innocent guy be denied access to firearms than take the risk of another John Edwards.
Cmon now this is against the whole basis of the so called justice system
It is exactly the argument used for every infringement on common mans rights !
Especially gun control!
This type of authoritarian worshiping boot-licking is surprising and disappointing on a shooting forum
Jäger wrote:zhuk wrote:Is there a blanket ban forever in ViC? Just asking because in NSW you can have convictions for violence with a firearm, domestic violence/breach AVO *and* convictions for terrorism offences - but after 10 years from the time served etc you don't have to tick 'yes' on those boxes on the licence application.
If you don't tick yes, and there is something on your record, you may get a call (or called in to the station) for a please explain why you lied.
If you're unsure if you have something on your record or it was something very long ago (even 20 yrs) and you're not sure if it was a conviction or whatever, just tick yes. They check your record anyway.
I'm trying to recall who said this, may have been the local DFO.
What personal history checks are conducted?
Mandatory police checks are conducted on all applicants to ensure that legislative provisions are being met, including provisions with respect to public safety. Certain criminal history may prevent a person from obtaining a firearms licence in NSW and a licence cannot be issued if a person:
Is subject to an Apprehended Violence Order (AVO) or an Interim Apprehended Violence Order or for a period of 10 years from the expiry of the AVO (unless the AVO has been revoked)
Is subject to a Good Behaviour Bond for a prescribed offence
Is subject to a Firearms or Weapons Prohibition Order
Is a registrable person or corresponding registrable person under the Child Protection (Offenders Registration) Act 2000
Has been convicted within the last 10 years of an offence prescribed by the regulations.
A prescribed offence is a conviction for offences involving firearms or weapons, prohibited drugs/plants, violence, public order, assaults against law enforcement officers, offences of a sexual nature or involving fraud, dishonesty, stealing, robbery, organised criminal groups and recruitment, riot, affray or offences relating to terrorism
sickooli wrote:Hi everyone need some advice please, l applied for a firearm license, when i rang LRD to find out the progress they gave me the bad news that it has been denied, back in april 2012 i slapped my daughter for coming home stoned and drunk, at the time she was 13, went to school the next day and teacher asked why are you so sad? she replied my dad hit me. That was it the police got involved and to cut a long story short I went to court and was convicted with the following; CONTRAVENE FAM VIOLENCE INTERVENTN ORDER UNLAWFUL ASSAULT (2 Charges) FAIL TO ANSWER BAIL Result: Aggregate 1 MONTH imprisonment. Concurrent. Sentence is wholly suspended under Section 27 of the Sentencing Act 1991. Operational period is 12 MONTHS 12/04/2012. l also have a bad driving history mainly low level speeding. I cant even go to magistrates court for application 189 because jail term applies to suspended ones as well.Any advice would be greatly appreciated, l really wanted a license to hunt, best regards and safe shooting Tom.
Jäger wrote:zhuk wrote:Is there a blanket ban forever in ViC? Just asking because in NSW you can have convictions for violence with a firearm, domestic violence/breach AVO *and* convictions for terrorism offences - but after 10 years from the time served etc you don't have to tick 'yes' on those boxes on the licence application.
If you don't tick yes, and there is something on your record, you may get a call (or called in to the station) for a please explain why you lied.
If you're unsure if you have something on your record or it was something very long ago (even 20 yrs) and you're not sure if it was a conviction or whatever, just tick yes. They check your record anyway.
I'm trying to recall who said this, may have been the local DFO.
Bruiser64 wrote:sickooli wrote:Hi everyone need some advice please, l applied for a firearm license, when i rang LRD to find out the progress they gave me the bad news that it has been denied, back in april 2012 i slapped my daughter for coming home stoned and drunk, at the time she was 13, went to school the next day and teacher asked why are you so sad? she replied my dad hit me. That was it the police got involved and to cut a long story short I went to court and was convicted with the following; CONTRAVENE FAM VIOLENCE INTERVENTN ORDER UNLAWFUL ASSAULT (2 Charges) FAIL TO ANSWER BAIL Result: Aggregate 1 MONTH imprisonment. Concurrent. Sentence is wholly suspended under Section 27 of the Sentencing Act 1991. Operational period is 12 MONTHS 12/04/2012. l also have a bad driving history mainly low level speeding. I cant even go to magistrates court for application 189 because jail term applies to suspended ones as well.Any advice would be greatly appreciated, l really wanted a license to hunt, best regards and safe shooting Tom.
If you haven’t already done so I suggest you read this:
https://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.a ... t_ID=34427
:Thanks Bruiser64, l have seen both on vicpol website, i'm thinking about hiring a lawyer from ssaa as they specialize in firearm matters.
https://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.a ... t_ID=34426
You probably need to establish if the police determined that you are a “prohibited person” or “not a fit and proper person” or both. I would suggest speaking to someone at a Community Legal Centre to get advice as to whether or not you have anything to gain by pursuing the matter further. Community Legal Centres provide free legal advice to anyone in the community. They have no vested interest in getting you to take expensive and pointless legal action as some unethical lawyers have been known to do. If you contact them they can advise you if you fall within their scope, as they do have some exclusions.
You have indicated above you were given a custodial sentence that was suspended for 12 months. I think it is reasonable, on that basis, to infer the court considered your offending to be quite serious. You have also admitted a pattern of traffic offences. My experience of the courts is they don’t consider traffic offences (particularly a persistent pattern of them over a long period of time) as trivial. They draw unfavourable conclusions about a persons character. My advice to you is to get advice from a community legal centre. I am going to assume you have stopped speeding, so I would suggest you continue with that. Any additional offences are likely to count against you in my view.
Thanks buddy for your comments, For what its worth, l believe in pro life, nobody should take the life of a human being, whether it's the death penalty or abortions or euthanasia etc. Gods greatest gift to humans is humans in itself.Gaznazdiak wrote:JakeN wrote:Gday mate
Speak to a lawyer specialising in firearms law
Get your day in court to have this sorted
Good luck
Far better for one innocent guy be denied access to firearms than take the risk of another John Edwards.
Cmon now this is against the whole basis of the so called justice system
It is exactly the argument used for every infringement on common mans rights !
Especially gun control!
This type of authoritarian worshiping boot-licking is surprising and disappointing on a shooting forum
That's the US attitude Jake.
How's that working for them?
It's actually one of the reasons we have a justice system mate, to keep us safe from those who just might do something impetuous, not to ensure that everyone can have a gun just because they want one.
I'd love to have a 1911A1, but I have no justification and couldn't be bothered with the frig-around involved, I accept that.
Like it or not, sometimes the greater good is greater than individual desires, the grown ups accept that.