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Western Australia reloading components storage

Post by penthus » 08 May 2014, 8:20 am

Hey guys been reading the forum for a few months now and noticed a few guys from WA on here and some knowledgeable guys in general that I am sure will be able to point me in the right direction.

I am on the final stage of my licence application and hoping to pick up my rifle and reloading gear soon and just wanted to sort out a few of the points I am still uncertain on.

I have been told that brass is considered ammunition over here so I was wondering if all reloading components are also considered ammunition?

I only have a 4 gun buffalo rivers safe which has a small ammunition compartment in it but not enough for brass, projectiles, powders and primers.

I was wondering if there is something I am missing or do you guys have a separate safe for your reloading components?

Thanks in advance for the help and I am sure it will be something simple I am missing.
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Post by Fozzy » 08 May 2014, 9:48 am

Yes, it is all deemed ammo.

Powder, primers, bass and projectiles need to be stored as per the safe storage requirements. Which actually contradicts the Dangerous goods act when it comes to powder.

But them's the rules...
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Post by DaleH » 08 May 2014, 10:16 am

Powder must be stored in a safe that complies with the same spec as a gun safe and must be stored separately to ammo, primers etc.

I have a gun safe in the house (for the guns, ammo and primers) and a small safe just for powder storage next to the reloading bench in the garage.
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Post by Supporter » 08 May 2014, 2:36 pm

penthus wrote:I only have a 4 gun buffalo rivers safe which has a small ammunition compartment in it but not enough for brass, projectiles, powders and primers.

I was wondering if there is something I am missing or do you guys have a separate safe for your reloading components?


Nope, you're not missing anything.

As discussed, ammo and components have to be stored securely and separately to the rifles (don't put the ammo on the floor in your safe).

If the separate section in your safe will hold the ammo, great. If not you will basically need to get an ammo safe for your reloading components.

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Post by Supporter » 08 May 2014, 2:42 pm

Forgot to say, the requirements for storing ammo are the same as for storing your rifle.

If you haven't it already, here is the cheat sheet on firearms storage from WA Pol.

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Post by AusC » 08 May 2014, 2:48 pm

Meanwhile, in Victoria...

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Post by Bourt » 08 May 2014, 2:49 pm

That's dangerous!

If you threw that brass at someone really hard you might give them a scratch...
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Post by mahna » 08 May 2014, 2:54 pm

Holy crap, where was that AusC? :shock:
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Post by AusC » 08 May 2014, 2:54 pm

Only jokes mates.

That's spent brass at some US army base ;)
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Post by mahna » 08 May 2014, 2:54 pm

I was gunna say... ha ha

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Post by penthus » 08 May 2014, 5:39 pm

Yeah cheers for the replies guys. I had a feeling this would be the case but wasn't 100% sure on the powder. From some of the reloading videos I have been watching it seems some of the powders can be in quite large containers so looks like I will be purchasing a separate ammunition safe.

Is there any need to follow the same procedure as with the fire arms application and send them through pictures of the installation of the new safe that will be containing my reloading components?
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Post by Fozzy » 08 May 2014, 6:14 pm

Nope as long as you have one approved thats fine. Just make sure you install it to the same specs as if they ever inspect it you want it to be able to pass.. I have 3 installed but onle sent pics of one.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 08 May 2014, 8:54 pm

So if I lived in WA and owned a large propety and littered it with spent .22 cases, would that mean that I had un secured ammo.
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Post by Supporter » 11 May 2014, 8:14 am

Yep. Going by the book spent brass is still a 'reloading component' and controlled as per live ammo laws.
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Post by AusC » 11 May 2014, 8:17 am

mahna wrote:I was gunna say... ha ha

:lol:


Yeah,

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Post by MeccaOz » 19 May 2014, 3:02 pm

Bourt wrote:That's dangerous!

If you threw that brass at someone really hard you might give them a scratch...


HAHAHAHAHAHA :lol: , Thanks for the laugh mate .. All this licensing talk is depressing for us WA folk !
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Post by Norton » 19 May 2014, 3:14 pm

I'm keen on getting to Canada to get away from this nonsense.

Who's with me? Group forum buy on tickets? :lol:

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Post by Noisydad » 21 May 2014, 7:33 am

It must suck bad to be a west aussie - think you guys should succeed from the commonwealth to stop the rubbish from spreading! Bit like amputating a gangrenous limb. :-P
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Post by Streamline » 21 May 2014, 11:37 am

Norton wrote:I'm keen on getting to Canada to get away from this nonsense.

Who's with me? Group forum buy on tickets? :lol:

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Post by Lyam » 21 May 2014, 11:39 am

Noisydad wrote:It must suck bad to be a west aussie - think you guys should succeed from the commonwealth to stop the rubbish from spreading!


Someone floated the idea of a group buy of a private island for hunting/shooting.

I'm keen ;)

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Post by FiftyCal » 19 Nov 2018, 4:23 pm

Supporter wrote:
penthus wrote:I only have a 4 gun buffalo rivers safe which has a small ammunition compartment in it but not enough for brass, projectiles, powders and primers.

I was wondering if there is something I am missing or do you guys have a separate safe for your reloading components?


Nope, you're not missing anything.

As discussed, ammo and components have to be stored securely and separately to the rifles (don't put the ammo on the floor in your safe).

If the separate section in your safe will hold the ammo, great. If not you will basically need to get an ammo safe for your reloading components.

Welcome to shooting in WA :(


Just thought I would add to this thread, I know it's old, but I think it's important to note a change to storage of powder as this is now the jursidiction of Department of Mines and Petroleum. http://www.dmp.wa.gov.au/Black-powder-p ... 18581.aspx
It's no longer a good idea to store powder in your safe, needs to be as per DMP requirements.

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Post by DJCoopes » 22 Nov 2018, 3:52 pm

Noisydad wrote:It must suck bad to be a west aussie - think you guys should succeed from the commonwealth to stop the rubbish from spreading! Bit like amputating a gangrenous limb. :-P


We tried that a while ago, and the results are sitting on some brit's desk to this day... damned monarchist commonwealth
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Post by Bruiser64 » 22 Nov 2018, 10:17 pm

The reason for the powder storage rule is so that it can be easily removed in the event of an emergency such as a fire. You need to have a label identifying your powder container as “explosives” so attending emergency services personnel can identify it as a risk and easily remove it if they have to. I am of the opinion that the rule is actually a sensible one in that context.
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Post by zhuk » 24 Nov 2018, 10:29 am

Could be an apocryphal "WA-is-crazy" story we in the eastern States hear, but is it the case that if you're shooting in WA with a mate who is using a different calibre to the one you're licensed, picking up one of their brass would mean committing an offence?

I mean, I wouldn't surprise.me lol
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Post by DJCoopes » 29 Nov 2018, 4:24 pm

Lyam wrote:
Noisydad wrote:It must suck bad to be a west aussie - think you guys should succeed from the commonwealth to stop the rubbish from spreading!


Someone floated the idea of a group buy of a private island for hunting/shooting.

I'm keen ;)

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Post by kb1 » 29 Nov 2018, 9:34 pm

so let me get this correct , my spent brass cases are cosidered as ammo and need to be locked away in the ammo compartment of my safe ????
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 29 Nov 2018, 10:40 pm

It's been said before, but needs saying again.

The tragedy is WA is simply awful.
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Post by No1_49er » 29 Nov 2018, 11:34 pm

kb1 wrote:so let me get this correct , my spent brass cases are cosidered as ammo and need to be locked away in the ammo compartment of my safe ????

It is my understanding that even a spent 22 rimfire case (never mind that it can't be re-loaded) is considered to be "ammunition".
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Post by kb1 » 30 Nov 2018, 8:13 am

id better get rid of the 3 jerry cans of mower fuel i have in the garden shed also i guess that will be the next thing banned or illegal.
you can honestly see why joe citzen wouldnt even bother to obtain a firearms licence in west oz or be put off the idea from the start , theres just so many pathetic rulings.
if spent 22 cases are considered ammo well the SSAA is in for a fight . every rimfire range ive been to has wheel barrows full of spent cases laying around so whats the go with that.
if my firearms licence can and will be cancelled or revoked due to fired cases not locked away then this is a serious issue
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Post by 1Fatman » 30 Nov 2018, 9:18 am

My pistol club has already been given the heads up to clean up and get rid of all of the empty 22 shells that are lying around.
This came direct from W.A.P.A after meeting with the police. The issue is that the police are worried that Joe public can get in and collect the shells, reload them (yes it can be done) and use them in illegal firearms.
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