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Re: Winchester Powder

Post by Gamerancher » 07 Jan 2019, 12:44 pm

marksman wrote:what some are not aware of is that win 760 is H414/H4350 that is ADI 2209 :wtf: just rebranded, (source berger bullet reloading manual pg 109)
what other win powders are made by ADI that people are aware of :unknown:


Don't know about that statement ol' mate.
Winchester 760 is a fine ball powder while ADI 2209 is a stick powder.
I have both, and can compare them side by side, they 'aint the same.
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Re: Winchester Powder

Post by marksman » 07 Jan 2019, 2:42 pm

Gamerancher wrote:
marksman wrote:what some are not aware of is that win 760 is H414/H4350 that is ADI 2209 :wtf: just rebranded, (source berger bullet reloading manual pg 109)
what other win powders are made by ADI that people are aware of :unknown:


Don't know about that statement ol' mate.
Winchester 760 is a fine ball powder while ADI 2209 is a stick powder.
I have both, and can compare them side by side, they 'aint the same.


yea I haven't used win powder for many many years, not stable enough for me but I did think the same as what you have said

what is printed in the berger manual pg 109 is that win 760 is made by hodgen and is H414,
I assumed it is the same as 2209 because adi makes hodgdon powders and H414/H4350 is the equivalent of 2209
win 760 is hodgdon H414 as berger says
you know what an assumption is though, hey, my mistake thanks for making it right :thumbsup:
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Re: Winchester Powder

Post by rustypic » 18 Mar 2019, 9:40 am

TassieTiger wrote:
rustypic wrote:Hi guys,
Just thought I would show you (brag) one of my results after going through the old trial and error method with my Win 748 powder. :D

What happened? Did you call the flyer or just twitch on the trigger?


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No flyer, like it says 3 shots. the target backing was 2 foot square with no other holes. Believe it or not I really don't care :roll:
I wondered why the ball was getting bigger. Then it hit me.

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Re: Winchester Powder

Post by TassieTiger » 19 Mar 2019, 1:48 am

rustypic wrote:
TassieTiger wrote:
rustypic wrote:Hi guys,
Just thought I would show you (brag) one of my results after going through the old trial and error method with my Win 748 powder. :D

What happened? Did you call the flyer or just twitch on the trigger?


2017_06_03_22_39_02_OneShot.jpg



No flyer, like it says 3 shots. the target backing was 2 foot square with no other holes. Believe it or not I really don't care :roll:


Believe it or not - it was sarcasm...thought it would be pretty darn obvious given all holes were touching. Speaking of touchy...lol
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Re: Winchester Powder

Post by Oldbloke » 19 Mar 2019, 4:14 pm

[/quote]

Don't know about that statement ol' mate.
Winchester 760 is a fine ball powder while ADI 2209 is a stick powder.
I have both, and can compare them side by side, they 'aint the same.[/quote]

yea I haven't used win powder for many many years, not stable enough for me but I did think the same as what you have said

what is printed in the berger manual pg 109 is that win 760 is made by hodgen and is H414,
I assumed it is the same as 2209 because adi makes hodgdon powders and H414/H4350 is the equivalent of 2209
win 760 is hodgdon H414 as berger says
you know what an assumption is though, hey, my mistake thanks for making it right :thumbsup:[/quote]



Mmm, is it possible that ADI make it for Winchester but change the shape to ball?

The result would be same powder but slightly different burning profile.
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Re: Winchester Powder

Post by bladeracer » 19 Mar 2019, 5:03 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Mmm, is it possible that ADI make it for Winchester but change the shape to ball?

The result would be same powder but slightly different burning profile.


They merely list it as an "equivalent" powder, they don't claim it's the same powder at all.
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Re: Winchester Powder

Post by Oldbloke » 19 Mar 2019, 5:18 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:Mmm, is it possible that ADI make it for Winchester but change the shape to ball?

The result would be same powder but slightly different burning profile.


They merely list it as an "equivalent" powder, they don't claim it's the same powder at all.


And they dont claim Varget is 2208 either. Im just suggesting that its a possibility.
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Re: Winchester Powder

Post by bladeracer » 19 Mar 2019, 5:25 pm

Oldbloke wrote:
bladeracer wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:Mmm, is it possible that ADI make it for Winchester but change the shape to ball?

The result would be same powder but slightly different burning profile.


They merely list it as an "equivalent" powder, they don't claim it's the same powder at all.


And they dont claim Varget is 2208 either.


Actually, they do. AR2208 is marketed as Varget in the US market.
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Re: Winchester Powder

Post by Apollo » 19 Mar 2019, 6:00 pm

Hodgdon don't make any powder at all, it's all made by some other company.

If you go to their site page and look up the Safety Data Sheet for any of the powders they distribute you will see the name of the manufacturer of the powder and where they are located plus a heap of other stuff like what it's made from.
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Re: Winchester Powder

Post by straightshooter » 21 Mar 2019, 6:34 am

Oldbloke wrote:

Mmm, is it possible that ADI make it for Winchester but change the shape to ball?

The result would be same powder but slightly different burning profile.


Kinda difficult, as two completely different manufacturing processes are involved.
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