Cal-ApeR wrote:Now before I cop the manbun quotes, hear me out.
Everyone's favourite online gunstore is selling Howa, stainless sporter in 6.5 creedmoor for $595. Now, I've never been interested in this cartridge myself but it is a great deal. The 6.5creedmoor doesn't look like it's going anywhere soon, I think it will remain a good while.
I really wanted to get my hands on a 6.5 x55 in New condition for a reasonable price.... It seemed a bit far fetched. This Howa however, might be my ticket into 6.5's for hunting. Personally I would get a little Grendel if they had gained more of a following. Everything is still very expensive for them.
Anyway, what do you guys reckon. I think I might go ahead with this one. Give me reasons for and against (no creedmoor jokes... Please! I'm after factual advice)
bigrich wrote:the 6.5 CM is a accurate caliber that fits in short action rifles . 6.5x55 needs a longer action , and i believe with it's larger case can be loaded up more in a modern action rifle . if it was me, i would wait and get the swede . howa do that caliber, tikka or sako would be nice. i know someone who has just bought a zastava m70 in 6.5 swede. i'm very curious to see how this rifle performs
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SCJ429 wrote:Why can't Howa make a 338 Lapua for under $600?
SCJ429 wrote:Why can't Howa make a 338 Lapua for under $600?
bladeracer wrote:bigrich wrote:the 6.5 CM is a accurate caliber that fits in short action rifles . 6.5x55 needs a longer action , and i believe with it's larger case can be loaded up more in a modern action rifle . if it was me, i would wait and get the swede . howa do that caliber, tikka or sako would be nice. i know someone who has just bought a zastava m70 in 6.5 swede. i'm very curious to see how this rifle performs
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One thing I do wonder about, the 6.5CM is short-action, which is great, but does the action length restrict how far out you can seat the longest bullets? Basically, would the 6.5CM actually be "better" in a longer action?
I haven't measured the throats in the Portuguese Mausers yet, but the necked-down brass was bottoming out in the throat so I had to trim it before I could chamber it. The throats do not seem to be worn at all.
marksman wrote:it does come down to what you want but IMO I would go a creedmore anyday before a grendaland the howa looks good to me for price
but that's just my opinion and I'm not interested in either cartridges
my recommendation would be build a 6.5 x 284on an old mauser 98 action but really that's not what you want
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it's good to get a different perspective but it's what you want
and blade you did hit the nail on the head, the short actions will restrict the type of projectile that will make the 6.5 worthwhile
it has to be able to mag fit a long throated 140-142gr vld projectile to be worth it
SCJ429 wrote:How fast can a CM sling a 143 ELDX?
JimTom wrote:G'day mate
I am loading the 143 ELDX in my Creedmoor and have them loaded so they are a poofteenth of the lands. I haven't found any restrictions associated with the short action of the 6.5 Manbun and the 143 ELDX are a long projectile.
I am by no means saying it's any better than the 6.5x55. I was tossing up between the two, I did however opt for the Manbun for a number of reasons.
In saying that I would happily own a Swede.
JimTom wrote:I read an article just recently about a 7x57. Seemed like a good cartridge.
Don’t know a lot about it though. Do you have one mate?
bladeracer wrote:JimTom wrote:G'day mate
Rough comparisons, but some tweaking can exceed these numbers by decent margins of course (particularly with some of the military loads):
6.5mm Creedmoor (case length 48.8mm) 140gn at 2650fps.
6.5x50mm 140gn at 2500fps.
6.5x52mm 140gn at 2200fps.
6.5x54R 140gn at 2200fps.
6.5x55mm 140gn at 2600fps.
6.5x58mm 140gn at 2500fps.
.260Rem (case length 51.5mm) 140gn at 2700fps.
6.5mm Grendell (case length 38.5mm) 140gn at 2350fps.
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SCJ429 wrote:bladeracer wrote:JimTom wrote:G'day mate
Rough comparisons, but some tweaking can exceed these numbers by decent margins of course (particularly with some of the military loads):
6.5mm Creedmoor (case length 48.8mm) 140gn at 2650fps.
6.5x50mm 140gn at 2500fps.
6.5x52mm 140gn at 2200fps.
6.5x54R 140gn at 2200fps.
6.5x55mm 140gn at 2600fps.
6.5x58mm 140gn at 2500fps.
.260Rem (case length 51.5mm) 140gn at 2700fps.
6.5mm Grendell (case length 38.5mm) 140gn at 2350fps.
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The poor old 6.5x55 Swede always gets sold short, I know you qualified this in your opening line. I feel it has to be said that the Swede can easily shoot a 140 grain projectile out of a modern action at 3,000 fps, giving it a considerable advantage over the 260 and CM.
Flyer wrote:I just looked up my load data and we chronoed the 143 ELD-X with 42.5gr of 2209 at 2710fps.
At the ADI/Hornady max recommended 41.5gr - which is Jim Tom's load - it was going 2650fps.
I haven't finished load development yet, so I still have 42.8 and 43.0 to go - maybe a little higher if I find a node - so there's potential for over 2750fps and the Lappy brass seems to handle it easily. That's in a new 24" barrel, so it might also get a little quicker as the barrel seasons.
OAL for the 143 ELD-X in my Sako is 2.932" and maximum mag length is 2.900", so I've been loading 2.890" or 0.042" off the lands.
The 143 ELD-X is 1.430" long - about as long as you're going to load in a Creedmoor, and longer than a Berger 140gr VLD (1.420"). That's plenty long enough for mag loading just about any bullet on the market. Anyone who's serious about bench rest or F-Class is going to single load anyway.