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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by Gaznazdiak » 13 Jan 2019, 2:16 pm

Punt gun, yeah.
First time I saw one (not in the flesh unfortunately) I thought it was a piss take, looked it up and there you go.
Saw a vid of some French guy in, of course, a punt, let off one that was about 8 foot long.
It kicked the punt out of him and set the boat off backkwards down the lake.
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by bigrich » 13 Jan 2019, 2:35 pm

about six months ago there was a WW1 german gewher (mauser 98) large action anti tank rifle for sale on ozguns . it had been set up for 50 BMG . scope kissing eyebrow might be a problem ...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by bigfellascott » 13 Jan 2019, 3:35 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:
bigrich wrote:
JimTom wrote:
cracker wrote:
pomemax wrote:Na do it properly 458 Lott or 458 WM best choice for a beginner shoot what ever you like never have to clean up and once your shoulder is healed you can then go Buy a .223 or .22 hornet till you learn to shoot .


only reason a beginner would ever purchase a 458 win mag would be so they could have it reamed into a 458lott.
100% on the money, cheap too shoot, low recoil, practical and should be decent on anything up too large foxes/ feral dogs.
500grain solids over 80grains of ar2208 work well enough for rabbit hunting or even just abit of plinking


:lol: :lol: :lol:


you guys need to man up and get a real gun . i got a loan from my uncle ( herman the german ) a WW2 surplus 20 mm german flak gun . it comes on it's own handy trailer and has a 20 round magazine and fires 450 rounds per minute. it shoots a 1834 grain explosive anti aircraft projectile (perfect for roo culls , no clean-up required ) or for large pigs with thick shoulder sheilds , uncle herman recomends the 2282 gn anti tank round and has a range of five kilometres . it's amazing what you can find at old military auctions .

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I've always wanted an original .55 Boys Rifle.

No particular reason other than the "FVCK YEAH" factor every time I pulled the trigger.

Ammo might be a bit hard to find in the original so maybe I'll have to settle for the later .50BMG version. :unknown:


50cals are pussies to shoot too, no bad recoil but the muzzle blast is something to behold :lol: Not unusual to get nose bleeds from shooting it (mate had that problem with his from memory) fun to shoot but competely useless to 99% of us really, good for long long range shooting if that's ya thing. :drinks:
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by Gaznazdiak » 13 Jan 2019, 3:43 pm

Check this bad boy, the Lahti 20mm anti tank rifle
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahti_L-39

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Post by cracker » 13 Jan 2019, 9:33 pm

bigrich wrote:about six months ago there was a WW1 german gewher (mauser 98) large action anti tank rifle for sale on ozguns . it had been set up for 50 BMG . scope kissing eyebrow might be a problem ...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

:drinks: :drinks: :thumbsup:

yeah that thing was super interesting...tankgewehr theres not many in the country and they are f***ing massive, really cool piece.
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by cracker » 13 Jan 2019, 9:35 pm

bigfellascott wrote:
pomemax wrote:Na do it properly 458 Lott or 458 WM best choice for a beginner shoot what ever you like never have to clean up and once your shoulder is healed you can then go Buy a .223 or .22 hornet till you learn to shoot .


The 458wm is a pussy to shoot I reckon, I've used my mates and his 375HH and it was fine too, I don't see the big deal in people carrying on about the recoil from em, not like ya sitting down at the range for a session with em (well maybe to sight em in) but not the best cal for a range harlet that's for sure :lol:


458winmag belts the s**t out of me, so does 458lott even more so fair bit of horse power, 375h&h is a pussy cat i love it, my favorite for sure hands down.
keen for a 500 jeffery or .505 gibbs in my next safari gun... but s**ts expensive !
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Post by brett1868 » 13 Jan 2019, 10:08 pm

Go big or go home, 50BMG is definitely the way to go :) Great for emptying the wallet, awesome for clearing the sinus and nothing vaporises kitty cats like the 50. Cat B in NSW and since you're in Sydney there's a shop at Roseville Chase that has several to choose from on the shelf.
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Post by brett1868 » 13 Jan 2019, 10:10 pm

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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by cracker » 13 Jan 2019, 10:16 pm

brett1868 wrote:Go big or go home, 50BMG is definitely the way to go :) Great for emptying the wallet, awesome for clearing the sinus and nothing vaporises kitty cats like the 50. Cat B in NSW and since you're in Sydney there's a shop at Roseville Chase that has several to choose from on the shelf.

in vic your going to need to be able to explain why you need one, eg long range comp shooting, collectors license something along those lines.
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Post by SCJ429 » 13 Jan 2019, 10:23 pm

Tell them "if I have to explain it, then you wouldn't understand"

That's is what I tell my wife, it doesn't work on her either.
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by JimTom » 13 Jan 2019, 11:54 pm

So what did you decide on Mate?
The initial outlay for reloading gear is the same regardless of cartridge. You will need the same gear.
It’s only the component costs that vary with cartridge choice. Plenty of reloading packages on the various websites.
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Post by Harrynsw » 14 Jan 2019, 10:08 am

JimTom wrote:So what did you decide on Mate?
The initial outlay for reloading gear is the same regardless of cartridge. You will need the same gear.
It’s only the component costs that vary with cartridge choice. Plenty of reloading packages on the various websites.


Will start poking around for reloading packages, then start reloading for my 223 and see if it gives me a stuffy. If yes wanna get something in 270 or 30/06.
Thank you every one for your input and prodding in the right direction
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Post by Stix » 14 Jan 2019, 10:53 am

bigrich wrote:you guys need to man up and get a real gun... ... . it comes on it's own handy trailer and has a 20 round magazine and fires 450 rounds per minute. it shoots a 1834 grain explosive anti aircraft projectile (perfect for roo culls , no clean-up required ) ... ... ...
:drinks: :drinks: :thumbsup:


However a dozer is required to re-level the terrain after each shot...yes...? :sarcasm:
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by pomemax » 14 Jan 2019, 10:58 am

Loading 223 is good to learn on but the cost involved in reloading them works out bout the same as buying factory .
I would recommend you learn with 223 but you will move from there to say 30-06 or 270 quickly .
I find reloading 223 or 9mm if you doing it for cost sorta pointless for accuracy that's a different thing .
Next to consider is the Press and dies set up
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Post by Harrynsw » 14 Jan 2019, 11:23 am

pomemax wrote:Loading 223 is good to learn on but the cost involved in reloading them works out bout the same as buying factory .
I would recommend you learn with 223 but you will move from there to say 30-06 or 270 quickly .
I find reloading 223 or 9mm if you doing it for cost sorta pointless for accuracy that's a different thing .
Next to consider is the Press and dies set up

More great info, thanks pomemax.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 14 Jan 2019, 11:25 am

pomemax wrote:Loading 223 is good to learn on but the cost involved in reloading them works out bout the same as buying factory .
I would recommend you learn with 223 but you will move from there to say 30-06 or 270 quickly .
I find reloading 223 or 9mm if you doing it for cost sorta pointless for accuracy that's a different thing .
Next to consider is the Press and dies set up


I would imagine the difference between factory ammo cost vs reloading would depend on where you are.
For example, I was paying over $1/round for 55gn Buffalo River SP at the nearest gun shop. Great ammo, but I am loading my own with 55gn Roo Max for a bit over a third of that.
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by Stix » 14 Jan 2019, 11:42 am

Yea good point Gaz... :thumbsup:

It does depend on what you can buy ammo vs components for...
Here is SA prices are over the top...bit of a monopoly here really...unless you have a good relationship with someone...!!

Look at the price of those wini 45gr .22 cal bullets...sheesh man thats cheap even with freight...!
Some good cheap ADI/OSA brass & 4kg of powder & provided they shoot in your rifle & fit the bill for what they are hitting & you couldnt complain at the cost...

Like everything though, im not saying pomme is wrong :) , all down to price affordability & availability...

But thats the bonus of starting with a .223 (or 308)--its cheap either way-reloads or factory...

My 7-08 is a very different matter!...no such thing as cheap reloads...there is just the cheaper end...!!

I priced some Hdy ELDX other day for maybe one day some long range goats--FMD a dollar per bullet... :wtf:
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by pomemax » 14 Jan 2019, 11:47 am

Gaznazdiak:
Plus factoring in the time cost makes a big difference too if you can discount time it would make it worth while for sure .
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 14 Jan 2019, 1:12 pm

Jesus Stix, a buck a pill, that is rude eh?

I thought paying 47c for Nosler 50gn BT was steep.

Sounds like my nearest gun shop.
If you go in there you've got walk around with your arse cheeks clenched to stop him shoving his hand up there and grabbing one of your kidneys when you're not looking :roll: :lol:
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Post by Stix » 14 Jan 2019, 3:57 pm

:roll:

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Post by Stix » 14 Jan 2019, 4:05 pm

Gaznazdiak
Of course, factoring in ones time cost is all part of weighing up affordability.
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by bigrich » 14 Jan 2019, 4:12 pm

cracker wrote:
bigrich wrote:about six months ago there was a WW1 german gewher (mauser 98) large action anti tank rifle for sale on ozguns . it had been set up for 50 BMG . scope kissing eyebrow might be a problem ...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

:drinks: :drinks: :thumbsup:

yeah that thing was super interesting...tankgewehr theres not many in the country and they are f***ing massive, really cool piece.



yeah i thought it was interesting :thumbsup:
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by Oldbloke » 14 Jan 2019, 4:20 pm

Bull s**t thread. Until the OP indicates the use it's a waste of everyone's time..
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by Stix » 14 Jan 2019, 4:31 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Bull s**t thread. Until the OP indicates the use it's a waste of everyone's time..


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Yep...i think thats why its gone stupid...nothing to focus on...!! :lol:
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Post by bladeracer » 14 Jan 2019, 4:40 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Bull s**t thread. Until the OP indicates the use it's a waste of everyone's time..


The OP explained in the OP.
"...looking for info/opinions on an ideal calibre and rifle (if that has any bearing) for a beginner to start reloading".
He wants to learn to reload ammo...
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Post by Harrynsw » 14 Jan 2019, 5:02 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Bull s**t thread. Until the OP indicates the use it's a waste of everyone's time..

No iv gained valuable information about reloading. And thanks to the blokes that have contributed. As for you take back your 2 cents worth.
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Post by Stix » 14 Jan 2019, 6:03 pm

Maybe i missed something in this thread...
Apologies IF i said something out of line harry...
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Post by bigfellascott » 14 Jan 2019, 6:05 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Bull s**t thread. Until the OP indicates the use it's a waste of everyone's time..


He did indicate what he wanted to do with it early on in the thread, shoot a few sheep for tucker and roll the odd bunny, apparently you need to spend up around $3k+ to do it and a hubble telescope to achieve it at 200m max which I doubt ol mate will be even close to achieving being new at firearms :unknown: :lol:
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by SCJ429 » 14 Jan 2019, 6:05 pm

F you get a 270 or 300 make sure that it says WSM on the box.
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Re: Ideal larger calibre and rifle recommendation for beggin

Post by bigfellascott » 14 Jan 2019, 6:06 pm

OOps wrong thread :lol: :drinks:
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