bigrich wrote:Gaznazdiak wrote:As to the general character of those with membership in these organizations.
I worked briefly with a young guy in 2005 who was a prospect with a well known group, he was told that if he wanted in, his brothers wanted to "run a train" on his fiance, as brothers should share things.
For those unfamiliar with this charming railroad themed concept, his fiance was supposed to let every member in the local chapter have a ride, one after the other.
To his credit he told them to stick it.
The beat the sh!t out of him and his girl and trashed his bike.
Stirling individuals indeed.
stories like that are very common with outlaw clubs around brisbane/ gold cost reigion for a loooong time. i woke up to what they were about a long time ago , and i wont associate with anybody who has links to these outlaw groups. still they are tame compared to some mexican and south american groups trying to get a foothold in this country . these groups have no regard for the law whatsoever and make outlaw bike gangs look mild . very scary these guys would car bomb a judges or cops family just as a threat.
TassieTiger wrote:bigrich wrote:Yeah well, that’s about the behaviour of some people in the bike club scene. Probably would have been worse if it wasn’t so public. Anyone associated with outlaw clubs should never hold a firearms license I’m my opinion
Sorry Stix - this is the bit I disagree with.
Hypocrisy has a strange way of uncovering the truth.
I'm a supporter of the vietnam vets and a huge supporter of our armed forces. Yet, those same forces whom our puppet masters command (referring to the bulldust political wars) have been / are killing, maiming, orphaning, way more innocents than any outlaw bike group EVER did...for what end purpose were those wars fought again ? Political gain in many cases - nothing more.
Go to church much ? How many priests have raped and abused young boys and men over hundreds of years, in the name of the Father ? A lot more than any outlaw bike group ever did.
How many people have police shot and killed and injured during their "investigations" ? I'd hazard a guess, that it would be a lot more than any bike club...
How many fathers are not seeing their kids, are committing suicide this year, a living on poor street - because of the insane family court system, that is a self perpetuating legal fraternity, that care nothing about this kids themselves - within this country ? A lot more than any bike club ever did.
I could go on and on...but at first glance, it appears that many are brainwashed by media beat ups and their own one offs...or just 3rd party "stories". The pollies have a remarkable way of manipulating media stories...but you all should already be aware of that...ie the Federal report into 2500 confiscated firearms ring a bell ?
If we are content to sit back and accept that we can sling mud at an "entire group" of people, of whom we do not know individually- then surely, we have no right to complain when that same mud is thrown our way, and we are ALL deemed to be potential murderers and killers or worse - by those that we today - believe to be ignorant ?...is it not effectively the same thing?
TassieTiger wrote:bigrich wrote:Yeah well, that’s about the behaviour of some people in the bike club scene. Probably would have been worse if it wasn’t so public. Anyone associated with outlaw clubs should never hold a firearms license I’m my opinion
Sorry Stix - this is the bit I disagree with.
Hypocrisy has a strange way of uncovering the truth.
I'm a supporter of the vietnam vets and a huge supporter of our armed forces. Yet, those same forces whom our puppet masters command (referring to the bulldust political wars) have been / are killing, maiming, orphaning, way more innocents than any outlaw bike group EVER did...for what end purpose were those wars fought again ? Political gain in many cases - nothing more.
Go to church much ? How many priests have raped and abused young boys and men over hundreds of years, in the name of the Father ? A lot more than any outlaw bike group ever did.
How many people have police shot and killed and injured during their "investigations" ? I'd hazard a guess, that it would be a lot more than any bike club...
How many fathers are not seeing their kids, are committing suicide this year, a living on poor street - because of the insane family court system, that is a self perpetuating legal fraternity, that care nothing about this kids themselves - within this country ? A lot more than any bike club ever did.
I could go on and on...but at first glance, it appears that many are brainwashed by media beat ups and their own one offs...or just 3rd party "stories". The pollies have a remarkable way of manipulating media stories...but you all should already be aware of that...ie the Federal report into 2500 confiscated firearms ring a bell ?
For every horror story repoeted attributed to a bike group, I could spin 2 that were positive.
Yep - some, advice already stated - should be...what %*^%# and the prospecting story given above sounds horrific if true...but if they really truly treated prospective members like this - they would fade into obscurity. I’ve seen what college frats do to their future members - some (not all) are not much different...albeit most are for at least 12 months lol.
If we are content to sit back and accept that we can sling mud at an "entire group" of people, of whom we do not know individually- then surely, we have no right to complain when that same mud is thrown our way, and we are ALL deemed to be potential murderers and killers or worse - by those that we today - believe to be ignorant ?...is it not effectively the same thing?
TassieTiger wrote:bigrich wrote:Yeah well, that’s about the behaviour of some people in the bike club scene. Probably would have been worse if it wasn’t so public. Anyone associated with outlaw clubs should never hold a firearms license I’m my opinion
Sorry Stix - this is the bit I disagree with.
Hypocrisy has a strange way of uncovering the truth.
I'm a supporter of the vietnam vets and a huge supporter of our armed forces. Yet, those same forces whom our puppet masters command (referring to the bulldust political wars) have been / are killing, maiming, orphaning, way more innocents than any outlaw bike group EVER did...for what end purpose were those wars fought again ? Political gain in many cases - nothing more.
Go to church much ? How many priests have raped and abused young boys and men over hundreds of years, in the name of the Father ? A lot more than any outlaw bike group ever did.
How many people have police shot and killed and injured during their "investigations" ? I'd hazard a guess, that it would be a lot more than any bike club...
How many fathers are not seeing their kids, are committing suicide this year, a living on poor street - because of the insane family court system, that is a self perpetuating legal fraternity, that care nothing about this kids themselves - within this country ? A lot more than any bike club ever did.
I could go on and on...but at first glance, it appears that many are brainwashed by media beat ups and their own one offs...or just 3rd party "stories". The pollies have a remarkable way of manipulating media stories...but you all should already be aware of that...ie the Federal report into 2500 confiscated firearms ring a bell ?
For every horror story repoeted attributed to a bike group, I could spin 2 that were positive.
Yep - some, advice already stated - should be...what %*^%# and the prospecting story given above sounds horrific if true...but if they really truly treated prospective members like this - they would fade into obscurity. I’ve seen what college frats do to their future members - some (not all) are not much different...albeit most are for at least 12 months lol.
If we are content to sit back and accept that we can sling mud at an "entire group" of people, of whom we do not know individually- then surely, we have no right to complain when that same mud is thrown our way, and we are ALL deemed to be potential murderers and killers or worse - by those that we today - believe to be ignorant ?...is it not effectively the same thing?
bigrich wrote: ! back on topic any member of a outlaw group should not hold a firearms liscence . they would be buying ammo for their mates stolen/illegal firearms sure as and would bring the rest of us into disrepute . and wouldn't the anti's love that .
Daddybang wrote:bigrich wrote: ! back on topic any member of a outlaw group should not hold a firearms liscence . they would be buying ammo for their mates stolen/illegal firearms sure as and would bring the rest of us into disrepute . and wouldn't the anti's love that .
And this is why I agree with you BR..even if the patch is a genuinely good bloke if his club says "go buy 500 rounds for the good of the club" then hes gonna go buy tjose rounds, if the Sargent at arms says "I need ya 223 tonite" they're not gonna say "no sorry sarge ya not licensed mate"
Gaznazdiak wrote:TassieTiger wrote:bigrich wrote:Yeah well, that’s about the behaviour of some people in the bike club scene. Probably would have been worse if it wasn’t so public. Anyone associated with outlaw clubs should never hold a firearms license I’m my opinion
Sorry Stix - this is the bit I disagree with.
Hypocrisy has a strange way of uncovering the truth.
I'm a supporter of the vietnam vets and a huge supporter of our armed forces. Yet, those same forces whom our puppet masters command (referring to the bulldust political wars) have been / are killing, maiming, orphaning, way more innocents than any outlaw bike group EVER did...for what end purpose were those wars fought again ? Political gain in many cases - nothing more.
Go to church much ? How many priests have raped and abused young boys and men over hundreds of years, in the name of the Father ? A lot more than any outlaw bike group ever did.
How many people have police shot and killed and injured during their "investigations" ? I'd hazard a guess, that it would be a lot more than any bike club...
How many fathers are not seeing their kids, are committing suicide this year, a living on poor street - because of the insane family court system, that is a self perpetuating legal fraternity, that care nothing about this kids themselves - within this country ? A lot more than any bike club ever did.
I could go on and on...but at first glance, it appears that many are brainwashed by media beat ups and their own one offs...or just 3rd party "stories". The pollies have a remarkable way of manipulating media stories...but you all should already be aware of that...ie the Federal report into 2500 confiscated firearms ring a bell ?
For every horror story repoeted attributed to a bike group, I could spin 2 that were positive.
Yep - some, advice already stated - should be...what %*^%# and the prospecting story given above sounds horrific if true...but if they really truly treated prospective members like this - they would fade into obscurity. I’ve seen what college frats do to their future members - some (not all) are not much different...albeit most are for at least 12 months lol.
If we are content to sit back and accept that we can sling mud at an "entire group" of people, of whom we do not know individually- then surely, we have no right to complain when that same mud is thrown our way, and we are ALL deemed to be potential murderers and killers or worse - by those that we today - believe to be ignorant ?...is it not effectively the same thing?
Tas, you are entitled to your view, just like all of us, and you are correct, it's not a good thing to demonize an entire demographic because of the actions of a couple of individuals.
But mate, be honest. We're not talking about a group of sinless choirboys brought into disrepute by a couple of rebels, we are talking about a culture, for want of a better word, that is based on violence, humiliation, degradation, crime and murder. There's a reason they are called the 1%, it's because they are the the bad eggs that give the other 99% of motorcyclists a bad rep.
Don't lose sight of the fact that the innocent little angels your getting so fired up in defense of are also the prime movers behind, and profit takers in, the ice epidemics here and abroad.
You then do what you accuse others of doing by describing most cops as nazis and most priests as kiddy rooters. Yes there are some Roger Rogersons still out there and no doubt the paedophiles haven't been completely removed from the various clergy.
But all of the above is still stuff you have every right to believe.
You then claim you respect our armed forces, but your deliberate conflation of accidental civilian casualties caused by the actions of the ADF with the culture of deliberate, criminal violence by bikie gangs is about the most disgusting slander I've yet seen on this forum, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Stix wrote:I hear ya tassie.
Condolences to you re your friend.
Im sure we're on the same page...
We as a targeted group (sporting shooters & hunters) are often out in the public eye defending ourselves & willing to explain our mantra & demonstrate its no harm values, & in some cases its benefits to society & the environment.
If a firearms owner commits heineous offences & is convicted of such, & his supporters assulted people outside the court, the affiliations that represent us would publicly state their disassociation from the clowns.
As i said in the earlier thread, if these vicious & violent supporters of the kangaroo torturing scum in these articles who assulted cameramen without provocation , are wearing colours...
Will their hierachy come out & defend their actions &/or disassociate from them...?
If not, that to me shows that behaviour is condoned, & demonstrates a contemp for innocent individuals & the animals theyve tortured...and so being, they dont seem care for the "label" they are tarnished with.
bigrich wrote:tas i'm not tarring every biker with the same brush , as stated in one of my earlier posts i don't have a issue with nam vets, ulysses or any other social group. most of the "outlaw" groups run the drug trade as well as other illegal activities . not all members may participate , but some organaiations on the gold coast are 100% running drug and standover rackets . i know what some prospects have had to do to become a full patched member , and it wasn't helping little old ladies across the street . with some of the more extreme clubs patched members have had to do some really bad sh!t to get their patch . these people get no respect from me , and if they want to belong to these radical groups they deserve all the law can put on them. in recent years they've fled overseas and tried running things from thailand . some dumb sh!ts got caught out trying to smuggle drugs into australia and have ended up in a foreign prison for a looong time . sucked in ! back on topic any member of a outlaw group should not hold a firearms liscence . they would be buying ammo for their mates stolen/illegal firearms sure as and would bring the rest of us into disrepute . and wouldn't the anti's love that .
Gaznazdiak wrote:No Tas you didn't use the term Nazi, it was implied by your words.