TassieTiger wrote:So for those that can recall - this 30-06 STEYR accuracy was being questioned out of the box...
It's now been 6 weeks and Winchester Vic have STILL not received the rifle for testing.
Many people warned me about the customer service that I might receive...I was hoping for something different.
So out of the 10 weeks I've actually owned this rifle, it has been sent back and forth between couriers for over 6 weeks between gun shops / winchester without anyone actually doing anything.
I'm so tempted to lodge a Aust consumer law complaint and just get a refund...I'll give them another week.
marksman wrote:and that the “general” base projectile weight for the 06 is the 180gn projectile is totally wrong, the 300wm was made to shoot the 180's efficiently
the ballistics of a 30-06 shooting 180 grain projectiles is shocking,
it's something you would use at close range to thump the sh!t out of a big animal hoping to stop it in its tracks
marksman wrote:it really isn't doing what you want it to or expected is it Tassie
there smith did very basic test's to the rifle and could not get it to shoot the 180's, he is no precision guru though (I do know who he is)
the problem will be the barrel twist rate, the 30-06 should have a 1 in 10" twist to shoot up to 220 grain bullets
there may have been a mix up with the barrel used at the factory, some different makers use a 1 in 12" twist for there 308 barrels for up to 170"s
I couldn't find what the Steyr barrels twist rates are
but anyway you want to shoot the 180's and it wont so really what do you want to do about it Tassie
I would also like to ad that IMHO you will not get good results shooting a kicker like a 30-06 in a lead sled, very agricultural thinking
and that the “general” base projectile weight for the 06 is the 180gn projectile is totally wrong, the 300wm was made to shoot the 180's efficiently
the ballistics of a 30-06 shooting 180 grain projectiles is shocking,
it's something you would use at close range to thump the sh!t out of a big animal hoping to stop it in its tracks
here is part of the history written about the 30-06 from ballistic studies web site showing what it was made to shoot
"In 1905, Germany adopted a light 154 grain bullet for the 8x57 at an extremely high velocity of 2890fps. The U.S, keen to embrace new technologies, immediately set about upgrading the .30-03 cartridge. A more aerodynamic 150 grain pointed projectile was created and along with this, the .30-03 case was shortened by .07 of an inch (1.8mm) to optimize the new bullet design. This was the birth of the .30 US cartridge of 1906 known today as the .30-06. The Springfield rifle maintained its original designation as the 1903 Springfield. The .30-06 remained the principle military cartridge of the US for 50 years
After the change to the .30 Ball 150 grain bullet, all military 1903 Springfield rifles were recalled, the barrels cut back by one thread turn and were re-chambered for the modified cartridge. Barrel length of the final rifle configuration was 24”. Velocity of the 150 grain .30 Ball was 2700fps, recorded at 78ft (le Boulenge Chronograph) True muzzle velocity would have been 2780fps."
the above is a small history for the millitary rifle, yours is a hunting rifle
it really is your call Tassie, Steyr need to come back with what is a reasonable expectation for the twist rate on your 30-06 rifle
so what range of projectile weights do they expect the rifle to shoot
good luck with it anyway
TassieTiger wrote:So customer service manager has finally got my steyr rifle to their gun smith for testing with some interesting results. This is what the gun smith wrote back to Winchester:
“The Rifle has been fitted with a Meopta scope , bore solvent used to remove fouling and test fired.
100 m using Super X 180 g , 2.5 “ group x 3 shots .
100 m group using Super X 150 g , under 1 “ 3 shots
It’s shooting very well with the 150 g ,
Unfortunately I can’t change how it shoots with heavier pills.”
So the question now is - is the rifle meeting advertised claims?
My argument is that the “general” base projectile weight for the 06 is the 180gn projectile (I have a 260 that groups 140’s 1/2 Moa) so clearly didn’t purchase to shoot 150’s...so if it’s shooting 2.5inxh groups via 3 shots with 180’s - with a lead sled via accredited gun smith - then its a long way away from meeting advertised claims.
Thoughts or advice??
Update - customer service manager has advised he is putting in advice to Steyr direct that rifle is under performing - he said they are usually very fast and good RE any issues. So we shall play the wait game again...
TassieTiger wrote:All good advice - thank you.
It has almost been something of an experiment to see how the companies involved - respond to a situation like this.
The lgs won’t see any more of my money due to their - complete lack of interest once they had my initial money.
Winchester cust service guy - appears to be caught in the middle and appears to be doing what he can to smooth things over...but - they are the wholesaler so, they by default, are involved.
Steyr - here is the real disappointment.
Given that tikka, Mauser and similar offer accuracy guarantees for the same or even less $$$ - who now would buy a steyr and take the risk knowing, that they will not support their products?
If I don’t hear back soon I’ll post up their full / actual response to me - it’s quite amazing to think a $1500 and under rifle is considered by them to be...well crap really - they do ZERO testing and have ZERO guarantee because in their opinion it’s a budget rifle. It might be a budget rifle - but surely, they’d be compelled to advise consumers that their heavily advertised MOA guarantee either does not apply or is conditional guarantee...Crazy for what I thought was a “premium” company....
I’m currently away with work but when I get back next week, I’ll be lodging a consumer affair complaint re aust consumer guarantee laws - my position being the rifle is not fit for the purpose it was sold and false advertising.
I’ll also be starting a thread entitled STEYR advice and just advise new comers of my findings to help alert prospective new buyers to the risks they may face when buying a budget steyr.
Heck, I may even send Steyrs response to SSAA and see if they might publish a letter to help educate new buyers - I’m sure I’m not the only one who has purchased a rifle that hasn’t performed and then thought...okay...now what?
I’m treating this like a challenge now...let see how we go. Lol.
I’d like to just add in here - a big thanks to everyone who has this far supported me in this process. Whether I succeed in making any in roads is yet to be determined but hopefully, my pathway might help educate / add to other peoples knowledge along the way.
Cheers.
TassieTiger wrote:Thanks GB.
I’m not sure how it will turn out but lessons in life are never free.
What amazes me - like really sits me on my bottom - is they steyr comment that they don’t test fire all their rifles as it costs money...that’s a problem in more ways than one. It’s almost a blatant lucky dip and there are bloody well safety concerns!
TassieTiger wrote:100 yards is about 91 metres from memory - so yes - your correct, I am shooting in excess of the manufactures claims - about 10% longer.
I hear what your saying bladeR - but from what I’ve been told, it’s likely that you’d find yourself with a $600 bill and a returned rifle - with no amendments.
My advice is that the steyr factory would have shot this rifle before leaving factory with high spec premium ammunition and recorded a Moa group. If I return the rifle - The Moa card recorded against this serial no will be pulled, details replicated exactly and as long as those results are within 20% of original - they’ve met their obligations and you’ve now got a large bill. They allow a 20% change - due to possible damage in post/transit (I know right - crazy) also need to Keep in mind - their premium ammunition for an 06 could be from 110gns on upwards - to 230gns and precision weighted, precision loads, temp controlled barrel, etc etc etc.
A Moa claim on a rifle is almost impossible to disprove (unless it’s mentally bent or something).
It’s an interesting situation - again, I need to stress - I am not unhappy with the rifle, I know it will shoot, I need to work out the parameters it likes.
How many people are out there that buy a new gun that has an advertised accuracy rating confirmed by a fancy magazine write up marksman with years of experience- that they then try and emulate and can’t get near...I bet there are thousands...
bladeracer wrote:TassieTiger wrote:Thanks GB.
I’m not sure how it will turn out but lessons in life are never free.
What amazes me - like really sits me on my bottom - is they steyr comment that they don’t test fire all their rifles as it costs money...that’s a problem in more ways than one. It’s almost a blatant lucky dip and there are bloody well safety concerns!
Test-firing would be different to testing for accuracy. Test-firing would be done into a backstop without any sights mounted.
But I would expect any factory to have a bench setup with a scope that they can fix each rifle into for accuracy testing, without having to mount sights on the rifle. They have no need to hit a target, they just want group size and pattern.