No1_49er wrote:If you know anything about crossbows, I would suggest that your knowledge is somewhat limited.
Limited to medieval, historical examples, medieval target compeition and hunting crossbows for 20 years, have also made my own prior to the 2004 law changes in QLD when they become a licenced weapon . There are many bolts I am not aware of no, I would not be able to recognize vetenirary sampling darts, the more niche competition darts , all the various historical examples in museums though I have seen a lot, nor all the specific paramilitary heads either. But neither would you.
The point is neither of us would put less known examples as general representations of a crossbow projectile either, if we wanted a balanced article.
Anymore than on an article on rifle projectiles we would put just a picture of a flechette...
Just as there are Norinco 22LR rifles which are widely used as an entry point into shooting, there are also the likes of Anschutz, Walther, Grunig & Elmiger etc. at the upper end of the range.
Again if you doing an article on these, would your projectile picture be 22LR ratshot?
Maybe a wiki article on shotshells, just 1 pic with the innards of a birdscare blank, 22Lr ratshot?
WRT crossbows, I do know that the crossbow bolt as described in the Wikipedia reference is totally correct. If you chose to look at the last image on that description you will see a crossbow of the type with which I am familiar. In that configuration they are used in extremely competitive 10mtr 3P type shooting, predominantly in Europe, and are ruthless in exposing errors in ones technique and competency, just as an air rifle exposes similar faults in rimfire/centrefire technique.
Take a very close look at the image provided in the link below and you will see EXACTLY the type of bolt to which you object.
Worse, is that your "knowledge and expertise" on this matter riles you so much that you take it upon yourself and attempt to alter information that is correct. Is it any wonder that you have not succeeded?
The reason I had not succeeded is because niche guys are another group you dont want modifying articles for the general public.
I mean would you consider it a satisfactory article if the only picture of a crossbow projectile was the animal dart? With a vet explaining how important and common and expensive the darts are, and any time someone adds or puts a more balanced picture up, it is replaced by his item again?
We could it change it right now, the public logs on and goes yeah I guess that's what they fired in the day at each other. Knights in armour and villagers trying to collect their blubber for vetinary purposes. "hey I'm thinking of getting into hunting, can't wait to get one of those military grapple hooks attachments the wiki projectile shows, because they guy who put that up really knows how to do an article on this stuff"
Anyway for the record what I wanted edited and changed was this rubbish, over and over. I have added my own comments in bold.
Projectiles
The arrow-like projectiles of a crossbow are called crossbow bolts.
(actually no, and another part of the article even already states you can call them arrows, quarrels and darts etc) These are usually much shorter than arrows, but can be several times heavier. There is an optimum weight for bolts to achieve maximum kinetic energy, which varies depending on the strength and characteristics of the crossbow, but most could pass through common mail
(throwaway fragment comment, and not correct either). Crossbow bolts can be fitted with a variety of heads, some with sickle-shaped heads to cut rope or rigging
(another incredibly obscure reference); but the most common today is a four-sided point called a quarrel
( this is untidy. A quarrel is more the whole arrow and while it is derived from the french word indicating 4 square points, it is not the most common today. It is probably an incorrect reference to broadhead, which is not 4 pointed, but may be 4 bladed, but may also be multiple blade number or type. AND field points are probably the most common type anyway). A highly specialized type of bolt is employed to collect blubber biopsy samples used in biology research.(the darts again lol)