xDom wrote:I think there’s a lot of BS spouted by the American media and civilians about the Oz gun laws.
A high profile US talk show host, Tucker Carlson made a comment on how Australians have no freedom and how Australian citizens can be locked up for having unpopular opinions.
“...But they have no freedom, you can go to prison for expressing unpopular views in Australia and people do," Carlson argued, without citing any examples.”
There seems to be an opinion in the US that Australians can’t get guns full stop. It fits into their narrative that any restrictions at all will lead to total confiscation and complete tyranny.
As much as I enjoy firearms, I don’t think their system is the way to do things.
Patriot wrote:xDom wrote:I think there’s a lot of BS spouted by the American media and civilians about the Oz gun laws.
A high profile US talk show host, Tucker Carlson made a comment on how Australians have no freedom and how Australian citizens can be locked up for having unpopular opinions.
“...But they have no freedom, you can go to prison for expressing unpopular views in Australia and people do," Carlson argued, without citing any examples.”
There seems to be an opinion in the US that Australians can’t get guns full stop. It fits into their narrative that any restrictions at all will lead to total confiscation and complete tyranny.
As much as I enjoy firearms, I don’t think their system is the way to do things.
Once governments start regulating and restricting citizens rights in regards to private ownership of firearms, total confiscation is only a matter of time.
America was born out of rebellion, against a tyrannical British king who wanted to, among other things, confiscate the American Patriots firearms. Americans have always known that tyranny starts with disarming the citizenry, that’s why if pushed, a good many will die to defend their unalienable right, their second amendment right, to keep and bear arms.
xDom wrote:Patriot wrote:xDom wrote:I think there’s a lot of BS spouted by the American media and civilians about the Oz gun laws.
A high profile US talk show host, Tucker Carlson made a comment on how Australians have no freedom and how Australian citizens can be locked up for having unpopular opinions.
“...But they have no freedom, you can go to prison for expressing unpopular views in Australia and people do," Carlson argued, without citing any examples.”
There seems to be an opinion in the US that Australians can’t get guns full stop. It fits into their narrative that any restrictions at all will lead to total confiscation and complete tyranny.
As much as I enjoy firearms, I don’t think their system is the way to do things.
Once governments start regulating and restricting citizens rights in regards to private ownership of firearms, total confiscation is only a matter of time.
America was born out of rebellion, against a tyrannical British king who wanted to, among other things, confiscate the American Patriots firearms. Americans have always known that tyranny starts with disarming the citizenry, that’s why if pushed, a good many will die to defend their unalienable right, their second amendment right, to keep and bear arms.
Are you American?
Patriot wrote:
Once governments start regulating and restricting citizens rights in regards to private ownership of firearms, total confiscation is only a matter of time.
America was born out of rebellion, against a tyrannical British king who wanted to, among other things, confiscate the American Patriots firearms. Americans have always known that tyranny starts with disarming the citizenry, that’s why if pushed, a good many will die to defend their unalienable right, their second amendment right, to keep and bear arms.
mickb wrote:Patriot wrote:
Once governments start regulating and restricting citizens rights in regards to private ownership of firearms, total confiscation is only a matter of time.
America was born out of rebellion, against a tyrannical British king who wanted to, among other things, confiscate the American Patriots firearms. Americans have always known that tyranny starts with disarming the citizenry, that’s why if pushed, a good many will die to defend their unalienable right, their second amendment right, to keep and bear arms.
patriot -nice speech but where is the evidence they will do this?
As I said and I say it on many forums, the US has had about 20,000 pieces of gun legislation brought in. They were 'pushed' hard with gun laws changes in the 30's.......more in the 60's, more in the 90's and more after sandy hook. And no one died or defended anything, ever. They rolled over and took it in the ass, every time. Every time they apply for a tax stamp for silencer they roll over.
Folks in the US talk about this 'big future disarmament scenario' and how brave and active they would be if it happened. This is an excuse syndrome. Its basically saying as long as the government only takes small bites at a time, they wont act
And their government does just that.
mickb wrote:I notice when the subject of gunlaws come up on Aus/nz forums on the big international forums, it becomes a bit of a pising ground for americans telling us we all roll over too easily, and how if it happened to them they wouldnt stand for it. With the NZ situation, its all on again.
I agree the US is far superior in resisting gun laws They have the consitution but more importantly financial muscle and numbers to tell anti's, left wing orgs and international groups like the UN to go to hell.
But one thing the US guys dont like to mention. Their 50 states and 3000 counties have thousands of different gun restrictions that they didn't stop. Including the gun control acts of 1934 and 1938 requiring tax stamps( federal permission) to buy machine guns, silencers and short barrel rifles.etc. Not to mention they just added another 210 changes just after the sandy hook shootings. Unless I am severely mistaken, there wasn't much in the way of physical resistance to any of it .Folks in the US largely comply like the rest of us.
xDom wrote:There seems to be an opinion in the US that Australians can’t get guns full stop. It fits into their narrative that any restrictions at all will lead to total confiscation and complete tyranny.
As much as I enjoy firearms, I don’t think their system is the way to do things.
sungazer wrote:Wrenchman dont take this as an attack. However I do find it a little funny watching shows like Wardens and some others. There are so many rules and restrictions that are enforced with some pretty heavy handed attitudes and penalties. I am sure it has to be this way again because of the size of the population as if you start letting it slide it could be an ecological disaster if everyone could take as many deer as they wanted for example. We do have some similar rules like minimum calibre of a 270 for a Sambar deer but we dont have officers going around checking and extracting bullets from animals for forensic purposes.
We are starting to see some issues with Lead this is all about ranges and shotguns ATM it may progress we will have to wait and see.
Even in the US there are some places that have very strict gun laws to the point of places like New York where it is a total ban?
In general I think we are actually more free in Aus but things are changing with government owned land so again it will be not so interesting to see what happens. I certainly feel free-er here than when I lived in the US
marksman wrote:having relatives who live in America has given me a bit of an idea on what they believe in America
it was not that long ago that they could not buy 22 rimfire ammo at the local gun store, lots of trouble with getting handgun ammo as well
if you wanted ammo you got it couriered to you or waited in line at the gun store parking lot when the ammo arrived and it was sold off the back of the truck, it never made it into the store
people were grabbing whatever ammo they could even if they didn't own that caliber rifle or handgun
gun stores had reloading machines in the back pumping out ammo as fast as they could and it sold as quick
what I remember being told was that the people feared what Obuma was going to do with gun laws so the people were stocking up
they were not ever going to just hand in there guns like we did
if you honestly think the US has not already taken guns off the citizens you are kidding yourself
TassieTiger wrote:I recently watched an online auction of firearms in the US thinking - this will be cool, see what the firearms we wish we could buy - actively sell for...
Well an old 9mm Uzzi - second hand, 2 spare clips and shoulder strap sold for...
Ready?
$15,000 US...
M16? Yep $11,000 US...
To my knowledge - These are not historical or rare firearms...
Ziad wrote:Very nice speech patriot
But you forget Australia doesn't give its citizens any rights.. gun ownership is a privilege and you have to do your part.
Secondly as said already, in us the people saying they will rise up if the government will come 4 their guns, every few months close their eyes and put their head under the sand while the government breaks down the 2nd amendment bit by bit, by taking away their rights one small law at a time. Go check the restrictions in California or NY.
Ziad wrote:Very nice speech patriot
But you forget Australia doesn't give its citizens any rights.. gun ownership is a privilege and you have to do your part.
Secondly as said already, in us the people saying they will rise up if the government will come 4 their guns, every few months close their eyes and put their head under the sand while the government breaks down the 2nd amendment bit by bit, by taking away their rights one small law at a time. Go check the restrictions in California or NY.