dugachelli wrote:The bit that caught my eye was that amongst the seizure was “illegal reloading equipment” ???
So my question is when is reloading equipment illegal?
I have lots of reloading equipment and so is it possible that they are suggesting that you should only the calibres that you are registered for and not any that you are not registered for.
For example my son owns a hornet and I don’t and he gets me to clean his cases for him so I have some hornet empty cases and some dies for him to use, am I in possession of illegal reloading equipment?
In WA you can be charged for having illegal ammunition, stuff you aren’t licensed for, do you think that includes reloading equipment as well?
What you think.
bladeracer wrote:dugachelli wrote:The bit that caught my eye was that amongst the seizure was “illegal reloading equipment” ???
So my question is when is reloading equipment illegal?
I have lots of reloading equipment and so is it possible that they are suggesting that you should only the calibres that you are registered for and not any that you are not registered for.
For example my son owns a hornet and I don’t and he gets me to clean his cases for him so I have some hornet empty cases and some dies for him to use, am I in possession of illegal reloading equipment?
In WA you can be charged for having illegal ammunition, stuff you aren’t licensed for, do you think that includes reloading equipment as well?
What you think.
WA is likely the most problematical as they firstly only allow you to possess ammunition for firearms listed on your licence, and secondly, they include components as ammunition - bullets and brass. In WA you cannot possess a .224" bullet unless you have a licence for something that shoots .224" bullets. Likewise you cannot possess .223Rem brass unless you specifically own a .223Rem chambered firearm. I believe this has been a problem for people that form their own brass, wanting to buy .308Win brass to make their own 7mm-08 or .243 for example.
I don't believe WA has any restriction on possession of reloading dies for cartridges you don't own, but I left there five years ago so it may have changed.
Your specific example, if you are not co-licenced for his Hornet you are not allowed to be in possession of Hornet brass.
TassieTiger wrote:If I’m going out shooting with a few friends and they have a caliber I don’t and vice versa, well agree that if you want to shoot a bunch - pick up your own ammo for the rifle of your mate, that you want to shoot and use that for the weekend / shoot...but In WA - you can’t do that ? Does that mean in wa - you can’t really “legally” trial another caliber before committing to buy? As you’d not be licensed...
Tank wrote:Your specific example, if you are not co-licenced for his Hornet you are not allowed to be in possession of Hornet brass
I have no idea which piece of legislation tells us we can’t possess ‘brass’ of a caliber you don’t have a registered firearm for.....
Sorry....but that’s not the case in SA Blade.
trekin wrote:So, will the 30 odd 'registered firearms' be returned to there owners??
TassieTiger wrote:bladeracer wrote:dugachelli wrote:The bit that caught my eye was that amongst the seizure was “illegal reloading equipment” ???
So my question is when is reloading equipment illegal?
I have lots of reloading equipment and so is it possible that they are suggesting that you should only the calibres that you are registered for and not any that you are not registered for.
For example my son owns a hornet and I don’t and he gets me to clean his cases for him so I have some hornet empty cases and some dies for him to use, am I in possession of illegal reloading equipment?
In WA you can be charged for having illegal ammunition, stuff you aren’t licensed for, do you think that includes reloading equipment as well?
What you think.
WA is likely the most problematical as they firstly only allow you to possess ammunition for firearms listed on your licence, and secondly, they include components as ammunition - bullets and brass. In WA you cannot possess a .224" bullet unless you have a licence for something that shoots .224" bullets. Likewise you cannot possess .223Rem brass unless you specifically own a .223Rem chambered firearm. I believe this has been a problem for people that form their own brass, wanting to buy .308Win brass to make their own 7mm-08 or .243 for example.
I don't believe WA has any restriction on possession of reloading dies for cartridges you don't own, but I left there five years ago so it may have changed.
Your specific example, if you are not co-licenced for his Hornet you are not allowed to be in possession of Hornet brass.
If I’m going out shooting with a few friends and they have a caliber I don’t and vice versa, well agree that if you want to shoot a bunch - pick up your own ammo for the rifle of your mate, that you want to shoot and use that for the weekend / shoot...but In WA - you can’t do that ? Does that mean in wa - you can’t really “legally” trial another caliber before committing to buy? As you’d not be licensed...
Tank wrote:SA Gun seizures is the title.....
So what’s WA got to do with the OP?
Just saying....
Brass is not ammo regardless of state legislation....
The perp was probably an associate biker....
so I don’t particularly give 2 s*#ts if the cops give anyone’s guns back.
The media can call anything illegal...they’re no authority....I wouldn’t read too much into their BS....
Too much hysteria people.
Oldbloke wrote:"News reports have to be taken with a grain of salt, quite often the reporter or writer adds their own spin to advance their personal agenda."
Spot on. Or they dont have a clue. Many things in this world are specialised. And reporters are only specialised in talking BS.
bladeracer wrote:trekin wrote:So, will the 30 odd 'registered firearms' be returned to there owners??
I thought they were registered to himself?
elnino wrote:The official SAPOL statement https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-police- ... UoJC28zaUk
Roo farmer wrote:elnino wrote:The official SAPOL statement https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-police- ... UoJC28zaUk
Is it normal for seized firearms to be all just thrown haphazardly in a mesh crate like that?
elnino wrote:The official SAPOL statement https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-police- ... UoJC28zaUk
If you watch the video, they state he WAS licensed and the 32/38 registered firearms were legitimately his and 205 illegally possessed firearms were seized including handguns, shotguns, an 'SKS assault rifle with bayonet' and a 'Machine gun' (but they state it was not in operational condition).
They also mention he had flash bangs.
What's frustrating here is that they are mixing things that would not necessarily be illegal if he were licensed. i.e possession of reloading equipment/propellant is not illegal if he is licensed. Not only that, knives and daggers should not be considered illegal or 'illicit' as they claim in the same sentence. Even crossbows are legal in SA as long as you have a reason to have it and that can be you are a collector, or you hunt with it. However they are still classed as a 'Prohibited Weapon', just with lots of exemptions.
To me, I don't think this person was a risk to the community - He is a primary producer that liked his guns and probably had them since the 80's before the reform came in or they were part of someone else's collection he inherited. Not many of them that you can make out in the pic were even remotely new. Unfortunately that is not good for news headlines though.
on_one_wheel wrote:Roo farmer wrote:elnino wrote:The official SAPOL statement https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-police- ... UoJC28zaUk
Is it normal for seized firearms to be all just thrown haphazardly in a mesh crate like that?
In most cases, yes
Care factor for looking after the firearms= zero
Especially when the law has been clearly broken.