SCJ429 wrote:It is actually very simple, the only scope is Nightforce and the scope for you is the Competition series. The only problem is your budget, so you can keep saving or buy a 32x BR version.
FFP is a waste of time and you don't need a zero stop for target shooting.
If the best shooters in the world can find a Nightforce retical that works for them, you should be able to find a suitable one for you.
bladeracer wrote:If you can't live without a zero stop, you can tap a screw into the turret and adjust it so it bottoms out at your zero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgxHQtCZLps
You can also put shims under the turret so it bottoms out at your zero.
https://forum.snipershide.com/threads/diy-scope-zero-stop.194017/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4kjNCdkcro
Or use an adjustable mount and zero your scope so it is at the bottom of the turret, this is what I did with my long-range .22LR. After shooting I just wind the turret all the way down again - that's my zero
Denno wrote:That's no good to me. As I said $1000max is all I have to start with. I'd love a Nightforce scope but not right now as a beginner.
Can you tell me why ffm is a waste of time? I have spoken to a few target shooters and some like it, some don't. I do know the difference with the two and can see the advantages of both. It seems from what I hear that it's no good for hunting...but I do t hunt. They must make them for a reason. I was going down the silouette line of thinking. It seems a lot of tactical stuff is ffp so that distances can be changed rapidly and still be accurate..... Or am I reading it all wrong?
As for the best shooters in the world, good for them. I'm not there yet but hope to get close someday
Denno wrote:All great ideas mate but I'm not ready to tinker with that stuff yet.
I have shot in 10m air comps before in my teens (long ago) and do know my way around a rifle but that was with peep sights. Scopes are a different beast with a steep learning curve I'm finding.
I guess the crux of my question is if you had $1000 what would you guys buy for a general multi use, multi comp, all in one scope
Cheers
Denno
SCJ429 wrote:The best scope for around $1,000 is the 32x BR Nightforce. You find if you really want something you can save up some more or sell some stuff to fund your purchase.
FFP is so that you can use your retical for ranging at various magnifications. Even if you use the retical for this, you can use the SFP retical for this by knowing the values at commonly used magnifications.
Go to a competition in which you are looking to compete and see what they are using. You seem undecided between a few different deciplines.
Denno wrote:Sooo why is that the best scope for a grand?
Thanks mate but na it's no good to me. It's purely a bench rest scope. It has nothing really that is on my wish list. It's a bench s ope. How would I go shooting silhouette with it, or even just plinking.
And hey don't get me wrong, I'm not so!d on an FFP yet but I'm leaning to it for some reason.
Give me a bit of time and I will check out what everyone is using in comps.
Sorry but I assumed some of you blokes would be just the people I'd see at the comps
You're right I am undecided on disciplines. I want to try them all. That's why I'm after a scope that can do most things very well. I know there are really expensive scopes but I'm no way near needing or able to afford one of them yet.
I guess I want to take my equipment out of the equation so anything I'm doing wrong is MY fault and so I will have to adjust
SCJ429 wrote:I take a 42x BR scope out hunting and am able to hit stuff with it. I wind it down to 12x and do very well. I can hit the Silhouette Rams at 500 metres using it. You said in your first post you found the choices confusing, make it simple by looking at Nightfore SFP scopes. Thousands of competition shooters cannot all be wrong.
Only my opinion. Good luck with your search.
Denno wrote:
I guess the crux of my question is if you had $1000 what would you guys buy for a general multi use, multi comp, all in one scope
Cheers
Denno
SCJ429 wrote:I take a 42x BR scope out hunting and am able to hit stuff with it. I wind it down to 12x and do very well. I can hit the Silhouette Rams at 500 metres using it. You said in your first post you found the choices confusing, make it simple by looking at Nightfore SFP scopes. Thousands of competition shooters cannot all be wrong.
Only my opinion. Good luck with your search.
bladeracer wrote:
If I were only going to own one scope I _might_ consider spending $1000 on it. I prefer to own lots of scopes all the same so I want a cheaper option.
If I were going to spend that on a scope for pure target shooting I'd look at Athlon or Vortex.
If you were going to shoot silhouette or any other field competition you might struggle with a very fine reticle, especially if you have to hold off the white due to wind. A neighbour bought Athlons for his rifles and I can't see the reticles at all against grass.
I would suggest you ask the shooters at the club what they're using and have a look through some of them.
bigrich wrote:
myself for field rifle comps from 25 yds out to 200 yds , on my 222 i use a 4.5-14 x40 leupold VX3 . retails about $960 has all the vision i need for this comp as well as precision shots on grey grasshoppers out to 200
my only other preference in this price range would be a meopta meopro
hope this helps
bladeracer wrote:
If you can wind it down then it is clearly not a 42-power scope. Did you mean a variable scope when you said 32x?
Denno wrote:
myself for field rifle comps from 25 yds out to 200 yds , on my 222 i use a 4.5-14 x40 leupold VX3 . retails about $960 has all the vision i need for this comp as well as precision shots on grey grasshoppers out to 200
my only other preference in this price range would be a meopta meopro
hope this helps
sungazer wrote:Deno you dont know what need. You might think you know what you want. A Nightforce 8-32 just sold on used guns for $850. It is the best scope you will get for $1000. It is SFP. The 8-32 even though you are not hunting is also the scope I use for hunting on my rifles. They are a brilliant scope that will last and last and the is a lifetime transferable warranty.
sungazer wrote:Deno you dont know what need. You might think you know what you want. A Nightforce 8-32 just sold on used guns for $850. It is the best scope you will get for $1000. It is SFP. The 8-32 even though you are not hunting is also the scope I use for hunting on my rifles. They are a brilliant scope that will last and last and the is a lifetime transferable warranty.
bladeracer wrote:Something to keep in mind perhaps for a .22LR, if you want to reach out to longer ranges, you need lots of elevation adjustment, 100-minutes to go from a 100m zero out to 500m, that's 400 clicks on most scopes with quarter-minute clicks. When you get up into very high magnification you tend to lose adjustment range. I'd have to check, but I think my 10-40x50 only has 40MoA compared to the 105MoA of the 4.5-18x40. You can buy very expensive minute-adjustable mounts though that circumvents this.
You'll also have to decide whether you prefer to work with an MoA scope or a MilRad scope. As a carpenter, I'm intimate with degrees, minutes and seconds so I prefer MoA. I can use Millirads but I find them cumbersome.
Minutes are roughly 29mm at 100m, or an inch at 100yds. A minute is simply one-sixtieth of a degree.
Mils are a thousandth of the distance, so 100mm at 100m.